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Gotta be GW$. Took the best 17 year olds out of drafts when we were down and a rabble desperate for quality kids, stole our #1 picked player, dominated drafts as we continued to struggle along, and currently have a winning record over us, one of few teams they do already in their young life. I loathe them.

carltank supporting mate is celebrating already. he's convinced they're finishing stone motherless and will appeal for a priority pick, have picks 1 and 2 at the table, and pick up these two potential gw$ boys. i personally think if that does happen it's far more likely sos will give picks 1 and 2 to gw$ for some magic beans, but whatever...

the beauty is that if they start playing a harder tag on him. in theory it should free viney up in particular around the contest. oliver, viney and salem will be the #1 rotation of mids for us you'd think.

when you look at those numbers, the biggest differential is the 18 months age gap that tyson has on kelly. also interesting that whilst dom makes 1 more 'clanger' per game, his actual de% is higher, and obviously as an inside player dom's clearances are slightly higher and kelly's i50s are slightly higher. both are very, very good players - easy to argue that kelly's ceiling is higher, but i think the trade in and of itself is a classic win-win.

It is such good news, reading yr posts drunkn you can feel the excitement. Go Dec and go Dees!

Fantastic to see him get his chance. Good luck to him!

i think of it as lewis and hibberd for our second round pick. unbelievable result.

they want our second round this year; we've offered second round next year. it'll go back and forth and be thrown around how to get it done and then one way or the other it'll happen, primarily cos they need his contract off their books due to all their new deals for various peptide payments to players like hurley et al who were out of contract.

i was under the impression m jones had a year to run on his contract; think it's probably just as well he goes now. good luck to all of them. i kinda hope grimes gets another go somewhere else, but i personally have doubts as to whether he will or not.

will grimes get another go at a different afl club? watching him on sunday was sad. trengove and spencer got new one-year deals so will be on the list in 2017. i'll go with the following: dawes - wait and see depending upon hogan lumumba - pay him out dunn - is he a trade option? would have more value to another club than garland as defensive coverage newton - gone garland - is he a trade option? would have less value to another club than dunn as defensive coverage, and we somehow gave him three years pedersen - i'd keep him as coverage michie - gone jkh - trade option anb - trade option grimes - gone mitch white - gone / re-rookie terlich - gone

This. He looks like an ideal third tall, but in I remain to be convinced he suits our structure. Now watch us not draft him and dominate 2017 for his afl club!

he wants his kid at the dees? happy days.

his reading of the play and his attack on the ball - particularly after salem went down - was very exciting to watch.

It's more what we give up to get him that concerns me. I think he'll help us add depth and skill, but I still say he's a solid but unspectacular player. Same as his old buddy Melksham who I would argue has more variable attributes which makes him a more beneficial depth player, whereas Hibberd should be a lock-down best half-back. However, he is completely one-sided and limited in terms of flexibility in a game that is increasingly becoming about variety of roles that can be played and skills that can be executed. If we pay more than our 2017 second round pick we've been gypped.

Shaw was a general at the pies and he's a general at the Giants. Hibberd is a solid foot soldier. He'd absolute be best 22 for 14 or so sides I would guess, including ours, but I fear we will way overpay for a solid player who is limited to only playing one position.

I still don't see the massive appeal of Hibberd. He's a 27 year old one sided half back flanker who has never been able to be part of the midfield rotation. In modern football more often than not yr back 7 consists of a genuine small (Jetta), three talls (Mac x2, Frost) then a rotation of ostensible midfield runners who rotate back. He strikes me as a classic 'good, ordinary' player and I cannot understand what massive benefit he would bring to our side.

Good kicks, smart kicks, and clearance players.

Don't see how - he's not going to win centre clearances.

Agreed, I said as much the same to the source - my guess is just a bomber trying to justify losing a best 22 player. Like the velvety sledgehammer saying keeping Hurley and Walla = more important than having those dudes plus Hibberd.

Got this from today someone involved at the bombers: "Rumours swirling that Hibberd has been offered around 725k for 4 years from the Dees" That better be a joke. No way he's worth close to that.

Loving his contribution to the team.

he's got to get an opportunity first before he can make the side. the opportunity is not there at the moment.

As a matter of interest, would the median age / games played provide a different perspective?

That's less of a blow that Viney. He picked a shocking time to break his hand throwing a punch.

Pretty exciting. Don't discount both Kennedy and Harmes. Both are very important and the latter has been seriously impressive.