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i thought lewie taylor was third option behind salem and freeman? i'm happy to acquiesce to yr thoughts, but i thought he was third cab off the rank

Not Nathan Freeman as first option? Jason Taylor tossed up between him and Salem at the time for pick 9, and he’s had a rotten run of injury at two afl clubs, but has the background to know what is required to make it at afl level When is the actual ladder order determined - is it immediately prior to the draft or slightly before? If current positions hold, only North will be picking ahead of us, and it would be reasonable to expect that they’ll go for a tall forward who can impact immediately, whereas we are probably looking for someone with leg speed

We’ve both won one game and both look like bottom four clubs to me They’re not very good, and neither are we Our best last year was miles ahead of Carlton’s best for the last decade or so, however But yes, it seems football has changed quite significantly in 2019, and we look miles off the pace

he looks like a better version of sam walsh to me

matthew rowell or noah anderson, come on down!

helps when you've got mids honouring yr leads...carlton lower their eyes going i50, makes a world of difference

bont, libba, macrae and hunter all massively down topsy-turvy season can carltank break not just the win ledger but crack the 100 point mark?

I’d rather Rowell, that blood nut is an absolute jet God it’s dee-pressing to be looking at high end picks AGAIN Thank goodness we didn’t trade out our 2019 first rounder

6: Salem 5: Harmes 4: Frost 3: Brayshaw 2: Oliver 1: Preuss

Going at everything one-handed and trying to hold the oppo off with the other arm Classic Demons trait to have a good year in a contract year in 2018..... Looks miles off the pace currently

At the moment we can win the footy but we turn it over and defensively we lack any cohesion Our ball movement is slow and stagnant; all effort and no effect We look like a bottom four side, at best Scary thing is we have our best mids available and they are pathetic at the contest OUT: Jones (rested), Spargo, Jetta (knee), C Wagner IN: Stretch, O Mac Garlett, Lockhart If Kolodjashnij is fit he comes in for Hibberd too, which says how little I rate Hibbo at the moment, cos I don’t think KK is up to much chop as an afl player either Tiggas will belt the living bejesus out of us methinks

Too many vfl level players: Spargo, Frost, Hunt, Hore, C Wagner, J Wagner Old men past it: Jones, Lewis, Hibberd

We look like a bottom four side This midfield is our first choice midfield and consistently second to the ball Forget finals; rest of the year is about working out how we can be so bad at contested footy given Gawn / Preuss in the ruck feeding Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Harmes etc Pathetic

They’re ordinary; we are worse 12 years of being atrocious, one good year last year, now back to being ordinary Most frustrating side to support

saw him impact one contest (in first half), but that was it edit: may not have been out there in the second half, as we clearly ran without afl-listed players for the majority of the second half some talented kids out there

Ugly second half for Casey but looks like some elite talent in this year’s draft crop, headed by the blood nut Matty Rowell and his midfield mate Noah Anderson (nephew of Dean, and not eligible for hawks or saints as father-son selection)

rowell and anderson look like incredible talents i'm friends with fish mcasey's dad, who played one game for the aints back in the 80s (his claim to fame is that when he went on the ground plugger was sent to full-back!) and fish looks hella brave as their chb

pickett has blistering pace but his ball use is atrocious edit: although better than anb's d50 exit kick...my god that was ugly

he's not a small forward; he's a wingman / rebounding flanker handy player who breaks lines and tackles well, but has a tendency to spray it of the boot given that we gave up second rounders for melksham and hibberd, i'd put him BELOW their value, so maybe something like straight third rounder OR our second for langdon and freo's third / fourth rounder could work?

he works hard to get from contest to contest. but he is: not slow but not quick doesn't break the lines can't hit targets by foot doesn't put on enough defensive pressure is limited to being able to play one role, purely as a midfielder he's unfortunately proved to be entirely vanilla as a footballer at this point - he's like jkh in that regard

sure, i mean...why not? it's all a bit of fun on a messageboard.... i prefer to think of it in terms of list - who'll still be on it in 2023, at the start of the next tv rights deal? likely still on the list: may (turns 31 in 2023) salem (28) harmes (28) petracca (27) viney (29) lever (27) spargo (24) brayshaw (27) gawn (31 on dec 31, 2022) oliver (26) hannan (29) preuss (28) hunt (27) fritsch (27) uncertain (let's say half of them are still on the list at the start of 2023; i've highlighted a guess of a dozen still with us): bedford (23) hibberd (33) stretch (27) kolodjashnij (28) frost (30) melksham (32) vandenberg (31) jordon (23) kennedy harris (28) nietschke (23) o mac (27) neal-bullen (27) sparrow (23) baker (25) hore (27) petty (24) jetta (33) j wagner (29) j smith (27) chandler (23) c wagner (26) lockhart (23) walker (28) keilty (28) bradtke (23) unlikely: jones (35) lewis (37) maynard (32) garlett (34) t smith (32) so, here's round 1, 2023 (give or take end of trade / draft period of the next four years, natch, player fitness, etc., etc.)... B: Jetta - May - Lever HB: Salem - Petty - Fritsch ? Harmes - Brayshaw - Hannan HF: Petracca - T Mac - Hunt F: Preuss - Weideman - Melksham Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney I/c: Spargo - Sparrow - Lockhart - J Smith Emerg: Frost - Hore - C Wagner - Bradtke tbh, it's not wildly different from now - the 14 or so who should, hopefully, still be with us are core players of our team now, with virtually four full seasons ahead of them of course, some of them may choose to retire after winning four premierships in a row from 2019-2022 inclusive.........

nah, pies have been long past us for a long, long time - we used to be the two biggest clubs in the competition by a big, big stretch same number of flags since 58 (three apiece) but umpteen dozen gf appearances for them and continued strength as a club over an extended period of time whilst we have floundered on and off the field but if yr talking recent times, they only went past us on-field on prelim final day last year - they won, we didn't they are currently playing a great brand of footy tho, whereas we need to improve significantly to match last year's results

exactly average afl wage was $370k last year, and will go up again in 2019 as the cba increases every year leading up to end of 2022 and the next rights agreement you gotta pay someone, after all...

he kicks 80 goals a year he'll be on riewoldt, cameron, and franklin level! with the way we're playing and bringing the ball i50, two goals a game average would be very solid, but most importantly is that weed is continuing to impact play on a regular and consistent basis charlie curnow is on over $800k a year; ben brown is on somewhere similar after originally being mooted as possibly earning up to $1m a season, signed up to the end of 2020 - when i believe he'll be one year short of a free agent but pre-agency may become a possibility for brown at the end of this season if the the kangaroos are still average to poor-ish

this hawks are already setting up to throw everything at him, unfortunately, and his best mate plays there and has just signed a backloaded four year deal to help...