Redleg

Pretty quiet on the banana front today.

Totally agree.

From what I saw I agree. He seems to be playing not to get hurt and avoid body contact and his disposal has become like ours.

Nailed it Rusty. I actually don't think he could have avoided the bump.

Every club seems to be celebrating the emergence of new players except us. I don't know how many goals we lost and then gave away because of skill errors. Petracca must have fumbled 10 times. I wouldn't blame Taylor for our list, as I think he has been directed in the sort of player to draft. I am confident he can pick up some different types of players, if allowed to.

10 possies at 40% efficiency is 4 effective possies for the game. Brought in to apply pressure and laid 1 tackle. Fumbles, I lost count.

2 tackles inside our forward 50 speaks for itself. Turnovers speak for themselves. Sh-t disposal again by hand and foot, against the slickest side in the comp, will get you a loss every day of the week. Brayshaw and Oliver, our 2 key mids, got plenty of the ball and simply butchered it. Goody can't do much about that. We need to go back to the drawing board and identify our weaknesses and then develop a plan to remedy them. That includes bringing in pacy, skilful players and making changes to our assistant coaching panel, who clearly are struggling with devising a simple game plan that we can play to. Yes injuries and surgeries have hurt us, but so has our list and gameplan. 2 goals in 3 quarters is reminiscent of the Prelim last year. It is just unacceptable. BTW, I thought Hunt and Petracca were pathetic tonight. For those who keep knocking Frost, I suggest you watch another sport. He has tried his guts out this year.

Touche.

Tim is a 28 year old who had a good first quarter and then disappeared. He is not our future. Agree Sam was poor tonight.

The kid will come good and we can't afford to lose another key forward. Who else do we have coming through?

Wise, I think those of us who are heavily invested in this club and have been for years, are just so disappointed and frustrated with the terrible start, to what most thought would be a very good season, that we are scratching around looking for the reasons. Obviously there are more than just one, many of which we have identified and discussed on DL. Anyway I take some solace that others are as upset as my family and me.

Agree with statement that poor skill kills you. I have mentioned lack of pace and skill to MFC officials and been politely told I am wrong.

Fair enough. I just think that we had later picks that could have been used to fill weaknesses. I know hindsight is easy but as an example Petruccelle went well after Spargo. He is not the only one taken later in the last few drafts with pace. If we had taken Petruccelle for example and say another young Garlett type, with later picks over the last few years, the story would be a bit different. Anyway it is now spilled milk and we will need to do something about it in the drafts and trading periods ahead. We also have been unlucky in trading picks for players who are now injured and that always exacerbates the problem.

Same place as everyone else, drafting and trading. Look at who Port brought in and other clubs. This was an area of concern to me and others on here at least for the last few years, not just this year. It is interesting that we are now called the slowest side in the AFL by all the media, which includes many past players, who should know. We have chased contested beasts only for the last few years and I am sure the FD will acknowledge that. Pace and skill was not our priority and that is why we have skill problems and are slow. Pace and skill are a big part of our current problems.

I have had that feeling since saturday.

Thought there might be a few of us.

That is an interesting one. I can't recall being surprised by the selection of any Roos team, yet I am often surprised at the Goodwin teams. Not that that means I am right and he is wrong, but rather he seems to often IMO ignore the obvious. For example if we play against 2 tall key forwards, he might go in with one tall key defender, like against the Saints. If we are playing a quick side, again like the Saints, he brings in slow players and plays our oldest and slowest two on the wings, under the new 6-6-6 rules. I find that very surprising.

Not disagreeing with that, but the game plan shares blame for our position. Gameplans can be changed. Port changed theirs as admitted by the players and they beat the Premier on their dung heap.

Maybe I was smart in discussing bananas, they don't disappoint you too often.

Hard to play when you can't run because of injury. Did you not know that?

In summary you could say it is arrogant to only consider your performance and not that of the team that beat you. To simply say we didn't play our game, is to ignore what the other team did to cause that. That is what he is continually saying each week. It ignores what others are doing to you.

That is not quite right. You could argue that the defence and maybe mid field issues are caused to some extent by lack of fitness, but not the forward 50's. We in fact have more inside 50's than the sides that beat us. That is the gameplan and structure. Having a totally congested forward 50 and relying on chaos footy is purely the gameplan. It is not working. Bombing long is killing us. We need separation. We need to get our key forwards one out to give them a chance. We need to get them leading to give them a chance. We need crumbers, not 6 flying for the ball at the same time with no one down. We need to clear up the forward 50 so that players coming from up field have options to kick to. Yes we need our forwards to apply absolute pressure and stop defensive run and spread from our forward 50, but it is the gameplan that is killing us in that part of the ground which is then causing the problems at the other end.

Ok. I think we can say that the teams that have beaten us have pace and have been manic in their attack on the ball and willingness to run to make position. We seem to be always chasing on the spread. This will be funny as I am not a fan of ANB, with his skill errors, but as others have said he does run hard all day. I watched Spargo pretty closely and he appeared to be jogging to a contest and choosing not to tackle or get involved on several occasions. That was not how he played last year. I hope this is not a cultural thing. Most likely our poor start is a combination of injuries, poor form, fitness, commitment, confidence, pace, skill and a game style that requires the maximum in fitness and desire.

Morris is a Dees fan and I don't think he would go with this players unfit story unless he had some good intel on it. Maybe the Coaches are deflecting after the media wide condemnation of our game plan, who knows. If true however and if it is not because of surgeries as has been stated, then it is an indictment on the playing group and the leadership. You talk about culture, there it is in front of you, a lack of total commitment to success, IF TRUE.

So are you saying that fans are not allowed to analyse team performances, that they have no knowledge of footy and have no right to offer an opinion? Are you also saying that the club will publicly tell the truth about in house matters and that whatever it tells you is correct?