Redleg

Might be more to the point to ask the players why their disposal and ball handling turned to crap. 50 of the first 57 points scored by the Eagles came from turnovers. Our disposal and handling of the ball was as bad as I have ever seen it. If you can't pass the ball or grab it, you lose and lose badly.

I can probably give you 2 causes of the loss, Garlett and the Captain. For the second final in a row the Captain went possessionless or close enough to it .

That is where the poor ball use is shown up.

Agree. Surely in the warmup or at some stage the players or runner or whoever tests the surface at pace and turning etc. If not we are not as professional as we should be.

To be serious for a moment we have good recruiters who identify needs and try to cover them. We have concentrated on hard at it contested ball winners for a while and we have seen the results. To me the needs are another mature Ruckman who is ready to play and that is Preuss if we get him and then pace with skill and maybe a Garlett type. To me they are our priorities and we will see how the FD see it in the next couple of months by their trade targets and drafting.

Same places other sides do.

I think we had more inside 50’s than Eagles if my memory is correct. Therefore we had chances. Ball use killed us. Lack of pace to get clear killed us. Nerves killed us. Leaders killed us.Luck also killed us with ball bouncing their way on nearly every occasion.

Did we ever find out free kick stats?

I said we need more and if he is not up to it so be it, but we need more. We had no spread Saturday and were killed because we couldn’t move the ball with skill.

Yes he was a kooky beatnik who would greet his mate with “ like hi Dobie”.

I will put you all out of your misery, the G stood for Walter.

Incorrect try again.

Incorrect try again.

Tracc is either scared to death to take a set shot for goal or dumb. His mark 40 out straight in front, then pass to left footed Tyson on the left boundary was stupidity at its best. Tyson is also a worse shot than him. What was he thinking or wasn’t he?

He paid over the shoulder for their 40 th free for the game. Disgusting umpiring just disgusting.

No he didn’t. Which game were you watching? He was terrible.

So disappointed to have to agree with you, but he was just terrible today. Has completely lost all ability.

Well the Coach played a bloke who didn’t get one possession in the Prelim and guess what, he only managed one today. Worst part is he is the Captain. We can say goodbye to Garlett, Bugg, Smith, McKenna, Pedo, Filipovic and King. Vince has retired and I hate to say it, as I thought he could be anything, but Hunt must be on really shaky ground. He was terrible. We need to bring quite a few new players to improve our list.

Campbell Brown ex Hawk just said and repeated that umpires doing a great job.

Our Captain has done nothing again. He could fix that by telling the umpire the free kick stats.

I’ve shown you he has kicked 60 more goals in the same games as Kennedy and you dismiss it as just a stat. Then you say stats could show Watts was decent. Unbelievable.

People need to quote posters correctly. I said he COULD become our Kennedy not that he is.

Jesse Hogan Born:12-Feb-1995 (Debut:20y 51d Last:23y 181d) Height:195 cm Weight:100 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 71 32-0-39 685 459 393 1078 152 81 13 110 17 174 20 132 81 37 14 458 629 124 183 87 5 44 Averages 17.75 45.07% 9.65 6.46 5.54 15.18 2.14 1.14 0.18 1.55 0.24 2.45 0.28 1.86 1.14 0.52 0.20 6.45 8.86 1.75 2.58 1.23 0.07 0.62 2015 Melbourne 1 20 6-0-14 178 134 83 261 44 19 25 1 45 5 20 17 6 5 118 139 47 52 22 1 12 2016 Melbourne 1 21 9-0-12 206 149 104 310 41 33 4 29 8 47 1 39 19 10 6 123 189 43 63 24 3 12 2017 Melbourne 1 10 5-0-5 91 51 51 142 20 6 15 2 26 3 19 9 5 3 55 87 10 21 9 1 6 2018 Melbourne 1 20 12-0-8 210 125 155 365 47 23 9 41 6 56 11 54 36 16 162 214 24 47 32 14 Josh Kennedy Born:25-Aug-1987 (Debut:18y 255d Last:31y 28d) Height:196 cm Weight:103 kg Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 220 112-2-106 1887 1296 651 2538 559 306 52 519 15 486 38 467 254 227 69 1190 1370 323 591 259 15 119 Averages 16.92 51.36% 8.58 5.89 2.96 11.54 2.54 1.39 0.24 2.36 0.07 2.21 0.17 2.12 1.15 1.03 0.33 5.41 6.23 1.47 2.69 1.18 0.07 0.54 2006 Carlton 5 9 1-1-7 36 32 16 52 5 4 1 11 15 1 17 7 8 25 30 5 8 3 1 2007 Carlton 5 13 2-0-11 57 50 40 97 6 5 40 27 4 16 6 19 10 9 40 55 7 6 15 1 2008 West Coast 17 7 1-0-6 55 46 34 89 7 4 1 7 19 2 12 9 5 34 55 9 6 7 4 2009 West Coast 17 16 6-0-10 150 110 52 202 31 17 2 28 2 40 4 35 16 13 76 128 23 32 23 1 9 2010 West Coast 17 22 4-0-18 199 130 61 260 41 19 1 60 1 69 3 58 25 27 3 108 149 28 34 30 3 15 2011 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 208 144 62 270 59 38 70 69 4 55 25 32 4 150 125 51 65 42 3 15 2012 West Coast 17 9 7-0-2 58 43 16 74 18 14 13 13 1 16 7 11 3 39 35 14 24 7 1 1 2013 West Coast 17 21 8-0-13 210 143 63 273 60 23 1 69 2 60 1 44 26 21 6 137 137 34 62 16 1 17 2014 West Coast 17 20 10-0-10 175 114 51 226 61 33 62 1 33 6 46 23 26 11 90 131 17 56 19 1 10 2015 West Coast 17 25 18-1-6 241 168 92 333 80 55 52 1 60 5 44 28 20 12 154 184 39 101 28 3 18 2016 West Coast 17 23 16-0-7 229 148 71 300 82 37 1 69 3 45 4 52 34 26 17 151 157 42 87 30 1 15 2017 West Coast 17 19 11-0-8 166 111 59 225 69 39 5 27 27 32 24 18 13 112 111 34 72 28 10 2018 West Coast 17 13 12-0-1 103 57 34 137 40 18 24 1 20 1 37 20 11 74 73 20 38 11 4 Jesse Hogan 152 goals in his first 4 years in 71 games. Josh Kennedy 90 goals in his first 5 years in the AFL in 67 games. Jesse averaged 50% more disposals in those games as well. I think you are the one that needs to feel really embarrassed. Also I was rubbishing the get rid of Hogan thread. I never said he would have made a difference yesterday, so don't change the meaning of my post. I said he could be our Josh Kennedy and people want to get rid of him. He is on better track than Josh was at the same stage.

Why are we talking about May, he is apparently off to the Pies.

He wouldn't have been the difference clearly, but he played better yesterday than our 2 key forwards and for that matter our 2 key backs and he wasn't even on the ground.