Redleg

Also there is more sense ( with a little humour ) and less anger at other posters, than the rest of DL.

AFL Site article sums it up nicely. " MELBOURNE is still waiting for a reasonable offer from Fremantle for key forward Jesse Hogan, Demons football manager Josh Mahoney says. Hogan, 23, has told the Demons he would be open to a trade back to his home state of Western Australia and toured the Fremantle facilities last week. The Demons reportedly rejected the Dockers' first offer for Hogan on Thursday, which included pick No.11 and a future second-round draft selection. "Jesse came to us and said he wants to explore the opportunity," Mahoney said. "Basically, if Fremantle want to get Jesse Hogan, they know the deal they have to give for us and Jesse's aware of that. "They haven't spoken to us about anything that entertains us at all about doing a deal." Melbourne is also in the race for Gold Coast captain Steven May, but Mahoney made it clear that the Hogan deal will take precedence before any discussions take place with the Suns. "We've got other deals we want to do," Mahoney said. "At the moment the offer they're giving to us doesn’t help us in any way."

The major reason I dislike him so much.

I think we will rookie another experienced ruck and he could be the one. If Max or Preuss go down, there is no back up, as Bradtke will be too immature.

Players that aren't getting a game might go, but GC would have to want them and that is the problem. I could nearly guarantee that we have had discussions with GC about getting the deal done without Freo, but it is extremely difficult to give something that they want, that we either want to keep, or just haven't got.

I wasn't bragging, only saying that it was up. It's pie in the sky, but I have seen a pie floater so who knows.

Yes good luck Dom and thanks for your efforts for the Dees.

I have already done it. Posted on the May thread " #902 Posted 1 hour ago Because of the Lever deal, we have nothing to trade with GC, unless the Hogan deal goes through. JM has said it and Freo are using it. Also because JH probably will only go home, we are stymied in dealing with another club. I wonder if we could get GC to approach him, with the help of the AFL to bump up any offer and make him one of the highest paid players in the game, on a long contract. This could suit GC and the AFL. To replace their captains leaving, with the potential best young key forward in the game. The publicity alone would be great for them in rebuilding the club. I wonder if Jessie could be talked into the sun and sea being a surfer. If this could be done, we would be able to do the May, KK deal and possibly get a top 3 pick from GC, with them getting something back. Then we are looking at Rankine or Rozee. How good a deal could that be? I wonder who the other clubs that are nibbling are? If JH and us could shaft Freo, by getting a better deal, it would be magnificent. On the other hand, if the deal goes through with Fre and we get May and KK, I don't see it being what many of us hoped for. I can't see realistically how we can do the May deal alone and that is a pity."

Well done Dees and now there are a couple of small deals that we need to find a way to get done.

Because of the Lever deal, we have nothing to trade with GC, unless the Hogan deal goes through. JM has said it and Freo are using it. Also because JH probably will only go home, we are stymied in dealing with another club. I wonder if we could get GC to approach him, with the help of the AFL to bump up any offer and make him one of the highest paid players in the game, on a long contract. This could suit GC and the AFL. To replace their captains leaving, with the potential best young key forward in the game. The publicity alone would be great for them in rebuilding the club. I wonder if Jessie could be talked into the sun and sea being a surfer. If this could be done, we would be able to do the May, KK deal and possibly get a top 3 pick from GC, with them getting something back. Then we are looking at Rankine or Rozee. How good a deal could that be? I wonder who the other clubs that are nibbling are? If JH and us could shaft Freo, by getting a better deal, it would be magnificent. On the other hand, if the deal goes through with Fre and we get May and KK, I don't see it being what many of us hoped for. I can't see realistically how we can do the May deal alone and that is a pity.

From the AFL site summing up the clubs, this is ours: If there's one club which has become ruthless in every facet of its operation ... then it is this one. It is all-in on the pursuit of success. It could still end up ugly. But we love the bull-at-a-gate desperation it is displaying on and off field.

A poster on Bigfooty has said that a 9 Perth reporter, has tweeted that JH's Manager met with another club today, about JH. Do we have another interested party?

I think the best thing we can do now, is talk to GC and see how we can get the May deal done, without the Hogan deal. Next year's first pick, a pick this year, a player we are prepared to let go who wants to go there, or even get them to up the offer to Tyson and we pay some of the salary. If we can somehow do that, then we simply state our minimum price for Hogan and if they don't pay it, he stays and we negotiate with West Coast next year, who hopefully act responsibly. You never know, Jesse might be so angry at Freo, that he signs an extension with us and we move on.

Freo is behind the Beams wants to go home story and Lions say it is BS.

Well Dodoro's title of Trade Week Ars-hole, has probably been taken by Bell. He is actually seeking to destabilize clubs and players, if this report is true. He should be taken to task by the other clubs.

"There was movement at the station, for the word had got around" Banjo knew all about trade week.

You don't like cars?

Who said they want Keilty. But if he did and they did, it's a yes from me.

They won't get the pick 3 comparable if they go up the ladder a few spots and it could be 7 or 8 at best. Therefore 11 is not that far away and they are pretty desperate to put this to bed this trade period and not have the disruption next year. I would not lose Sam Frost and that is way overs anyway. 11 is possibly unders so maybe we sweeten the deal with a later pick.

2 hours ago, Redleg said: TBH IF he is going to be traded and considering we want May, I don't really care anymore what the deal is, as long as we are left with pick 5. If GC are happy to take the rest of what we get, whatever it is and we can wrap KK into the deal somehow, or do it separately for an acceptable pick, then I would be happy. I think it is really about what we are left with after getting May. If it is pick 5 then fantastic, as that is a very good player, or the opener for more deals.  No there it is.

Tyson has knocked back GC. Would need him to change his mind. If Tyson agreed, it would be more likely to be Tyson and 11 for May and KK and 39 to Roos for Preuss.

They obviously know what we will accept and are getting to that position and improving their own, by getting better later picks.

Probably Rozee as Lukosius and Rankine will be gone.

Hoping GC happy to do May for 11 then, plus maybe a sweetener to GC, so they can move on. That would leave us with 5 which would be great.

I think I said I would ask for 2 low picks and a player or another pick or whatever, but that was the opening price. Obviously that would then be negotiated down. I have since posted recently, about an hour ago, that I actually don't care what the deal is, as long as we ended up with May, KK and pick 5. We could then do what we wanted with pick 5. What I would be upset about, is a May for Hogan deal with nothing else. Of course I would be happy to upgrade our position. I am just not as in a hurry to fold and accept a poor offer as others on here. There is still time to do deals and I think the FD have it in hand atm. If we are at wednesday afternoon and nothing has happened, then that is a different scenario, which I am confident we would have prepared for with contingency plans.