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Exactly.Players want a salary floor because we have a hard cap (well supposedly). The NBA is introducing one this season.

Sylvia (UFA), Taggert, Nicholson, Jetta, Magner ®, Clisby ®, Stark ® left OOC. 7 primary list spots open. 6 with hogan.

Have a look at the sticky thread that mentions the dates. It will tell you there are two DFA periods where delisted players can sign wherever they wish. If he is delisted. I still don't think that has been ratified yet. Happy to be proven wrong.

I watch a great deal of draft and salary cap regulated sports; the NBA does not give compensation. The NFL does give a pick in the second or third round depending on the 'net loss' of a team, no pick if they 'gained'. There is so much movement of FA in both sports. The MLB gives more compensation but baseball is a game that sees draft picks as the most unimportant of the other codes. I mention these because that is where the AFL gets their ideas from. I think we should blaze our own trail on this and simplify but keep the compensation. 3 bands - High, Moderate, unclassified. Pick following your first pick for players considered 'high', pick following in the second for 'moderate', and no comp for the rest. If a team has a net loss of the first two bands they receive relevant pick(s). I understand the argument that there should be no compensation but i feel like our game is different to the US where the NBA has not hard a salary floor in the past (they have one now) so that teams can save money and spend 25% of the cap on one player and outbid the bigger teams and change their fortunes. There is also a thing called 'Bird rights' where a team can re-sign a long serving FA and go over the cap. The movement of the best players in the NFL but they still have some compensation. MLB is a joke in terms of equalisation. Yankees spend USD$200m and rivals Rays USD$60m... I would go our own way and try to make sure that there is plenty of movement but keep giving assets to clubs losing players. But I could definitely see an argument to scrap it. It does make sense.

We thought we were doing the clever thing when we got Byrnes in FD. The afl initially said that you would get a pick based on the net loss of players and us getting a low player would mean our loss of two medium level players would mean 1 goo pick as opposed to two average picks. It didn't work as pressure was applied by some that said we were getting rid of Moloney like Geelong of Byrnes. Anyway, it was clever but not thought out as clarification should have be asked for. Port did the right thing, learning from our experience, and got two band three for Chaplin and Pearce and snagged Monfries from a grateful Essendon who would have lost him for nothing. I would simplify the comp but not get rid of it, I agree if it is going to be an impediment to movement it needs to be tweaked.

If we were getting a top 5 pick or a star of the game I would include Howe with little hesitation. But is still believe that Ryan O'Keefe can be emulated by Jeremy. Roos most likely will back himself to bring it out.

So I am a fool for wanting a PP but we should have applied for one and Jackson did the right thing in doing so? Self-righteousness has to be earned, wyl.

Are you including yourself as a cretin? Changing your opinion when the facts change is fine and righteous. I am just not so certain the facts have changed direction that often...

Well, then why don't we forfeit Pick 2 then as a suicidal show of humility and idiocy? And I am the one who says that no-one 'deserves' draft assistance. Each club that gets in that position gets there trough their own bad decisions: trading poorly, drafting poorly, or holding onto good players too long. I always have said that we needed draft assistance and so does the AFL to help a club that was just terrible to get to mediocre and hopefully grow from there. We need assets and we have one fewer than I thought we would have. And wyl - don't address me anymore if you are going to give me BS.

This coming from a bloke who is doing a 540 on Watts. I remember when you referred to him has playing like a woman before saying he was playing great footy and then abandoning him again in the last few months. Are you dizzy? Watts is doing what Dunn has spent a decade doing, playing patches of good footy but not nailing down any position or consistent form. An he is 10 times the talent of Dunn which makes it all the more frustrating. I hope he can become a winger - we need midfield help.

Lolling?No offence, wyl. But you put the quit in non sequitur. So I won't bother.

I think Band 3 (Pick 20) is pretty good for Colin. I am expecting that. Pearce and Chaplin each got that.

It will cost us a few million and a year of time but not the club itself. And lol at WYL who now does not think that the club is on the precipice but did if it weren't for Roos. We all have the things in our minds eye that makes ALL the difference but for us to get better there is no one cure-all. We need a great coach, great facilities, pick really well, keep our best players, develop our youngsters, and, yes, we may need draft assistance in 2014 if it is as troubling as I think it will be.

He has to stay in any role he can see himself doing. Paul Roos has to stay a Demon for a while. It is imperative.

It does mean he is quickly becoming a Demon.

Er, yay, whatever. I would put him and Hogan into the middle rotations next year. Not for science experiment; we don't have any midfielders.

If he is delisted, it will not count against any compensation. FA is different to DFA.

$400k is about 4% of the cap next year. So it is becoming less extravagant to pay someone that.

This topic is a thread in-and-of-itself but we have been front loading contracts in the recent past to attempt to not overpay players and reach the threshold of 95% of the cap. This tells me that being able to pay more right now is not as important as getting talent in say that in the future we can pay people their worth. I wonder what Mahoney and Jackson think about Schwab's front loading of contracts - I feel it can be effective assuming you use the room created to lure players and that it doesn't artificially inflate a players worth which was my initial problem with the idea a few years ago.

The need for a senior person to work with the new coach obviously faded after Roos came on board. He is in charge of a lot of things and of course he will delegate things like player welfare, but I hope he keeps list management or has Viney run it in his yet to be fully defined role - I think it is a waste of a salary to have a list manager whose sole job of note is to negotiate contracts. And saves a bit of money too... Well done Josh.

Roos is still coach in 2015. We are not about go out of existence next year because we don't win 6 games...

Nothing to impart hey? If posters think that playing ability begets coaching ability - then smarter people than you hired the current grand final coaches.

The fact that we cannot pay the entire cap at the minute does not concern me. The fact that we have few people to pay the cap to does concern me. Give us money to fill the cap and all we would have is our inadequate list on more money. We need assets to move to bring in talent, and with Watts close to re-signing it means that we are down to Pick 2 in this years draft to help our fortunes in the next few years (and of course, our low picks in the coming seasons). The cap is important to equalize the comp but it is about pulling talent from big clubs to smaller clubs. But with the rule that you must pay all but 5% of the cap it generally means you overpay an think o imaginative ways to create future space; Schwab's front loaded contract idea being one of those.

People are allowed to react Pman and BH. And Jackson's reaction is the exact reaction I would have expected, or that I would have given. There is nowhere to appeal, nothing sinister to claim, just bad decisions that won't help us get better, quicker. Of course, we move on, there are coaching appointments to criticize - but it is naive to think that Roos will deliver us from our malaise so quickly. We are going to be terrible again next year.

That's ok. It doesn't matter, if that makes you feel better.