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And for those saying to themselves "why should I move on?" It's hard enough trying to keep this club heading in the direction of where we want to be without the continued desire to keep the club fractured from that time. People need to know that forgiveness is given not because people deserve it (whether they do or not) but because they need it. As I have forgiven those people that spurned someone close to me. Forgive and move on, or we will still be shackled by a past nobody wants to remember but no-one can forget.

Absolutley, OD.

What are we doing? Every year we have this thread and every year we have the same argument, and every year we don't get anywhere. You can sit and stew and rail at the dead if you want to, you can argue unverifiable truths like I was about to do, and you can have your determination to never get to that point again. But let's let the hate go? I have a family member who is still not forgiven by some for a role played. That is pathetic and toxic. Just let it go and realise that we are all Demons and the past is as useful now as it is unchangeable. We are all Demons.

Why don't you 'pin' it? No-one looks there and there are always around the 3 or 4 threads up there.

Not quite following BB, although if you are saying there is little to talk about - I am bitching about journalism again... That means it's quiet...

How have you not seen me do that before? You have been here in various forms for a decade. And I am never offended by perceptions from anonymous, yet attributal, posters on forums. But I don't see the harm in pointing out that those perceptions 'run the gamut' from obsequious sycophant of the MFC Administration to a vile upstart keen on maligning those in that Administration... My round-about point is that you cannot judge someone by whatver that person has just said. Reading a book by the last page you read, as it were. Anyway, what were we talking about?

If you don't find issue with it, that is fine. I take issue with the laziness that has crept into journalism and the faux pas of having unattributed, unverified quotes in the paper isn't a big thing in this instance (of course it isn't, it's an article on Cale Morton...) but in a larger sense of the standards of news articles today. Just one thing - if we are now comparing newspaper articles to talk back radio, is that not proof of declining standards?

It was Robbie57, but that's the next question - Hanlon doesn't know who he is, or whether he is genuine. It is laughable that you can have an unattributed quote from an anonymous poster on an internet forum, in The Age. Edit: Thought it was the Hun, still surprised it wasn't in the Hun.

No doubt, but when you leave an unattributed quote in an article you are going to get criticised by rpfc. Especially when that source is an anonymous poster on a public forum. Look, yes I am overreacting, but are we not all appalled at the state of journalism today? Newspapers complain they are not being read, I complain they are not worth reading.

Miserable and whingeing... Posters on here cannot decide on my personality, can they? I run the gamut on descriptions of me on this place... I am miserable with the state of journalism. I am whingeing that it is getting worse. Footy journalism has reached a new low of recent times where the majority of news stories derive out of what another journalist has said. The Echo Chamber... And now we have a article on the views of Melbourne Supporters with regard to Cale Morton. Mention the divided opinion on supporter sites, mention the fact that we jeered the kid as he came off, but go and talk to someone in the crowd if you want an opinion. Call up Dave Schwarz. PM Whispering Jack and ask him for his full name and his opinion. This is not about rpfc being a whingeing MFC supporter - I think I have shown that I am anything but - it is about journalism and how this is an example, a small one albeit, of how it has sunk.

I thought it was pretty obvious, otherwise it would have been completely out of sync with the structure of his article. It came from Robbie57 on the 75th post on this thread. And I think Demonland is a great site, as I posted - you get more insight on here than you get from the best 'journos' at the Hun and Age. But therein lies the problem - we are not evidence in any article - we have no stature as we are anonymous. We are just an amorphous group of posters that decide to post our thoughts on here. Forums shouldn't be news.

They usually don't, because 'supporter site' and 'thinking' don't go hand in hand... If what anonymous blowhards say on a forum can be used in articles - what is journalism coming to? I don't like the way 'evidence' for journos articles come from other journos spouting nonsense - this is step down the slippery slope of unknown destination if forum posters can be 'evidence.'

Yes, the pretense has finally been dropped... A few on here were shocked, and some rolled their eyes, when I posted last year that Land offers more insight into the Demons and the game than the Hun or the Age. Is this not proof? We are the news. We are gods. Well, no, that's going too far...but you know what I am saying.

The more humiliating thing was the thousands of MCC members that jeered the kid as he came off. Neeld is his coach and gave him a direct message that would have been given via the phone - we Melbourne fans ridiculed him.

Wasn't a great moment for him, but if half the side ran as much as Morton did - we would be better off. It's the funny circumstances of footy - if you get it 13 times and never look for some uncontested footy are you better for the side than the guy who gets an extra 10 touches and screws up 3 or 4 times? I would say - decidedly - no.

Boston are above 500! But the injuries won't let up! Watch out in the last third of the season - we will win about 40 games...

Huge win for Boston!! As a guy without a team I am pretty much just loving the teams left - Boston and SA, and hoping the Le Bron Wade and Russell Durant shows end in the Semis. But I think Russell Durant will make it... But Boston... Here we go! 1 to go! Pierce's 3!

If I read you correctly, you are saying that you should look to the later picks, rookie draft, and trades for those who are to have an immediate impact. Essentially, this is affirmation of taking Magner as a 24 year old rookie. But I don't expect those early picks (and I am talking top 10 picks as I think it's a teenage lottery from there on) to make an immediate impact. You draft in the top 10 for the best player available when they are 23. So I don't hold judgement over our recent drafts. As I said many times of late, I am more distressed about our recruiting and development of those players arriving from 2000 to 2005.

I understand where you are coming from but a recruiter will be more heavily scrutinised on the high-value picks at the beginning of the draft - that's where the stars come from. You have got to get those picks right.

Patty Mills 20 Points for SA over the Cavs... A lot of junk time play but 20 mins is still good...

Hype is hype but it doesn't change the fact that Denver swapped Tim Tebow for Peyton Manning... Ridiculous upgrade. And, DD, Ryan is playing a dumb game if he is trying to move on Sanchez - they just extended him - 3 years, $41m... They are going to do the Tebow Wildcat in close games and when it wins them one game, Sanchez will become the most expensive back-up QB in history...

What did he say?

Maybe, but Elway won as a 37 year old and a 38 year old. And that was in the late 90s where QBs were protected but nothing like today. Manning will get hit but he is a chance to take them to the top 2 of the AFC and from there anything is possible. Tebow would have brought 'winning but go-nowhere' seasons for years as he learnt to throw in the pocket. And it would not have been easy to extricate themselves from Tebowmania. I think, even if it fails, it doesn't.

Should have gone to the Jags... They are his hometown team AND they have the worst QB in the game. But because of Sparano and Ryan like using the Wildcat at the Jets? Yeah, every now and again they do, but they still want a QB to sit and throw it for most of the game... He should have gone to the Jags and the owner would have structured everything around him to sell tickets, because that is the best attribute Tebow has.

What are the Jets doing? Playing the Wildcat offence every now and again can work great... But not when the QB you are using is a pseudo-hero for a certain section of all NFL clubs (those that think NY is a city of sin, oddly enough) and when he comes on the field the 'Starting QB' is 'sputtering'... What happens when it works a few times? Mark Sanchez will become as unpopular as you think his last name should make him... If I can use 'Tebow' as a verb, and I think I can - The Jets are about to get royally Tebowed in the groin at some point next season, and they won't easily un-Tebow themselves. Always trust The Elway. He knows what's best...