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Yes, but they may want some bigger bodies...

- Mark Neeld Doesn't sound like we are going to go for a trade. It doesn't matter - he may get a few FA credits or points or whatever they are going to call it and we might get a decent pick regardless.

We have already made it known we will let Moloney go as a FA. So what you are saying used to be unlikely - now it is impossible.

I don't know if I want Caddy if we lose Pick 13. But who knows what the stakes are...

If you built a time machine you can save us from all this and go back to 2001 and become CAC's assistant recruiter...

He is from Qld as 1re1be posted. Bail and 13 for Caddy will tempt some but I know that the FD rate Bail so they may not like this. I am not that keen on it either but would do it if we could spin a pick back our way.

Oh.

A repeated one at that too. It's amazing how Carlton does this far more blatantly and the experience is used as a sort off hand 'joshing around' conversation piece in the media and when we do it is as if we are the third rising of the fallen angel Beezlebub. Fitting I suppose...

Essentially, yes. But we could say to Moloney that you have agreed this contract with Ess and we will match it with the intent to trade you so we can get something for you. BUT he has to agree to that, and Essendon have to be willing to trade. It's called a sign and trade in US sports.

Yeah, surely it's a forced outrage. We had as many touches, clearances, more Inside 50s but have no one to kick goals. But so many didn't see this coming apparently and are outraged at the blase disinterest that the Bailey...er, Neeld apologists are showing to these displays... Believe it or slash your wrists with it - sat night was an improvement.

And for those saying to themselves "why should I move on?" It's hard enough trying to keep this club heading in the direction of where we want to be without the continued desire to keep the club fractured from that time. People need to know that forgiveness is given not because people deserve it (whether they do or not) but because they need it. As I have forgiven those people that spurned someone close to me. Forgive and move on, or we will still be shackled by a past nobody wants to remember but no-one can forget.

Absolutley, OD.

What are we doing? Every year we have this thread and every year we have the same argument, and every year we don't get anywhere. You can sit and stew and rail at the dead if you want to, you can argue unverifiable truths like I was about to do, and you can have your determination to never get to that point again. But let's let the hate go? I have a family member who is still not forgiven by some for a role played. That is pathetic and toxic. Just let it go and realise that we are all Demons and the past is as useful now as it is unchangeable. We are all Demons.

Why don't you 'pin' it? No-one looks there and there are always around the 3 or 4 threads up there.

Not quite following BB, although if you are saying there is little to talk about - I am bitching about journalism again... That means it's quiet...

How have you not seen me do that before? You have been here in various forms for a decade. And I am never offended by perceptions from anonymous, yet attributal, posters on forums. But I don't see the harm in pointing out that those perceptions 'run the gamut' from obsequious sycophant of the MFC Administration to a vile upstart keen on maligning those in that Administration... My round-about point is that you cannot judge someone by whatver that person has just said. Reading a book by the last page you read, as it were. Anyway, what were we talking about?

If you don't find issue with it, that is fine. I take issue with the laziness that has crept into journalism and the faux pas of having unattributed, unverified quotes in the paper isn't a big thing in this instance (of course it isn't, it's an article on Cale Morton...) but in a larger sense of the standards of news articles today. Just one thing - if we are now comparing newspaper articles to talk back radio, is that not proof of declining standards?

It was Robbie57, but that's the next question - Hanlon doesn't know who he is, or whether he is genuine. It is laughable that you can have an unattributed quote from an anonymous poster on an internet forum, in The Age. Edit: Thought it was the Hun, still surprised it wasn't in the Hun.

No doubt, but when you leave an unattributed quote in an article you are going to get criticised by rpfc. Especially when that source is an anonymous poster on a public forum. Look, yes I am overreacting, but are we not all appalled at the state of journalism today? Newspapers complain they are not being read, I complain they are not worth reading.

Miserable and whingeing... Posters on here cannot decide on my personality, can they? I run the gamut on descriptions of me on this place... I am miserable with the state of journalism. I am whingeing that it is getting worse. Footy journalism has reached a new low of recent times where the majority of news stories derive out of what another journalist has said. The Echo Chamber... And now we have a article on the views of Melbourne Supporters with regard to Cale Morton. Mention the divided opinion on supporter sites, mention the fact that we jeered the kid as he came off, but go and talk to someone in the crowd if you want an opinion. Call up Dave Schwarz. PM Whispering Jack and ask him for his full name and his opinion. This is not about rpfc being a whingeing MFC supporter - I think I have shown that I am anything but - it is about journalism and how this is an example, a small one albeit, of how it has sunk.

I thought it was pretty obvious, otherwise it would have been completely out of sync with the structure of his article. It came from Robbie57 on the 75th post on this thread. And I think Demonland is a great site, as I posted - you get more insight on here than you get from the best 'journos' at the Hun and Age. But therein lies the problem - we are not evidence in any article - we have no stature as we are anonymous. We are just an amorphous group of posters that decide to post our thoughts on here. Forums shouldn't be news.

They usually don't, because 'supporter site' and 'thinking' don't go hand in hand... If what anonymous blowhards say on a forum can be used in articles - what is journalism coming to? I don't like the way 'evidence' for journos articles come from other journos spouting nonsense - this is step down the slippery slope of unknown destination if forum posters can be 'evidence.'

Yes, the pretense has finally been dropped... A few on here were shocked, and some rolled their eyes, when I posted last year that Land offers more insight into the Demons and the game than the Hun or the Age. Is this not proof? We are the news. We are gods. Well, no, that's going too far...but you know what I am saying.

The more humiliating thing was the thousands of MCC members that jeered the kid as he came off. Neeld is his coach and gave him a direct message that would have been given via the phone - we Melbourne fans ridiculed him.

Wasn't a great moment for him, but if half the side ran as much as Morton did - we would be better off. It's the funny circumstances of footy - if you get it 13 times and never look for some uncontested footy are you better for the side than the guy who gets an extra 10 touches and screws up 3 or 4 times? I would say - decidedly - no.