Ollie fan

Me too

My point was this: he showed once again that he is a great contested mark; he is moving much more freely after the year that experience tells us is necessary to recover from his foot injury (as was the case with eg TMac and Jack), and anyone with an eye for potential can see that he is growing into the forward role and will be a great KPF.

Of our top six players: Brayshaw out for the whole season, Oliver a shell, Trac out for half a season, and now May out. It's not how many you lose, it's who they are.

And get so many people keep bagging goody despite his valiant efforts with a list which, this season, has been decimated.

Anyone who DOESN'T think Petty is a forward didn't watch the game last night

Get our players right, a strong pre-season, and all will be well. One thing this season has shown us is that there is no one team that will be impossible to beat. Last night showed me that Petty can play both ends and is a very underrated contested mark. With him, Turner, JVR (who I think will establish himself as a champion next year) and hopefully Jefferson we should finally have the structure of a forward line. We need to recruit a replacement for May and continue to develop a backup ruckman. I am full of confidence. Oh, and it world be nice if they learn from this year that after contest and defence in the backline, we need to move the ball FAST into our forward line.

I thought TMac was not good tonight, and was outmarked by Ratagulea multiple times. Chandler was terrific in his pressure and tackling - surely you saw that, Joeboy! Hore was much better in there second half as he got the pace of the game. And Oliver has many issues, with his hand and his fitness, but not lazy! So: Joeboy - got many wrong.

I think he must have been ill. There is obviously a bug going through the club - 3 last minute changes for illness tells us that. And one poster said he saw Clarry trying to throw up too. I suspect JVR had it too and was totally done by 3/4 time.

Effort fantastic. Kossie one on one will beat anyone. Great to be here on a beautiful night.

How about some positive? The effort is excellent, despite the appalling turnout; Rivers and JV7 are great, Max is AA again, surely.

And justified.

For once, Cranky, I agree with you. I don't understand how you can say this and consistently bag Goody - but for Brayshaw we would have won that flag, despite 3/4 of our forward line being injured. That is because of his overall good coaching (and yes, I do think he made a mistake by not activating Schache against Carlton, but we all make mistakes). PS against Carlton, I believe the worst mistake was Lever kicking the ball down the line to a contest with 25 seconds to go (or whatever it was) instead of kicking it to Rivers and wasting 10-15 seconds by waxing it between them.

The word "support" is the key. I have no doubt you barrack for the Dees.

Just look in the mirror.

You are not a supporter. I have never seen you do a supportive post.

Yes. Read any of Cranky Frankly's posts.

I thought there was a bit of flair and dare in eg our first quarter against GWS. In broader terms, I think we tend to rely on contest and defence for the first half or so and then, having weakened the opposition, we open up the game to our advantage. Of course, it hasn't worked that way this year, for many reasons including injuries, a depleted list, and an attempt to change the game plan.

I quite like listening to Kane Cornes, but whatever he says is usually headline – grabbing rubbish. This article is such recycled nonsense, nothing that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam on this website. He doesn't even mention, in terms of our "ageing list" the number of young players that we have blooded recently. He clearly wants us to get rid of Clayton Oliver – I wonder if he wants Port to pick him up?

Who is delusional? We are not "sinking": this year is gone - but he knows he can't say that. And I don't blame him for the bad year either, as I have made clear on many threads. I think it is good that he is not rushing the development of a young key forward.

It will, because it is rubbish. Cranky has run this line in a dozen different threads and each time he gets asked to say what should have been done he leaves the thread and starts again in another. His whole premise is wrong and he is just a whinger.

One of the more gratuitously nasty things that i have seen on Demonland.

Exactly. It's 3 years ago now, but on the best day ever the commentators were praising Bont to the skies- then Clarry went on to him, Bont was not heard from again, while we all know what Clarry did. As for our list, it is not built for a far run and carry game. Even Trac, absolute champion that he is, does not have the necessary disposal skills and as for Clarry and JV7, well, they are champions for other reasons. But our game plan is fine. Other teams play their way, we play our way. The way everyone carries on as if we were hopeless last year when we came SOOOOO close despite a ridiculous number of injuries to our forwards - well, as far as I am concerned, our game plan stacks up. This year injuries have done us again. Time and again posters talk about our lack of depth. Don't they realise that playing the WHOLE year 3 players down from our allowed amount - Gus Smith and Spargo - means that the depth we should have had at Casey is now in our firsts - players like Woey, Howes, AMW, Tholstrup .... We have the depth; it's just that we have had to call on it.

It must have been. After all, letting him go is the major reason we are not doing so well this year......

The love that JJ gets from some posters on DLand makes me wonder about myself : was I watching a potential Brownlow medallist and not knowing it? Actually, no I wasn't. As for Tomlinson: he got a chance and took it. What's wrong with that? Then injury cruelled him. He always tries.

Geelong should be playing rugby - they throw the ball all the time - never called.