Ollie fan

Couldn't agree more

Because it is a waste of Max. He is capable of taking a big mark in the forward line occasionally, and if he is 50+ metres out he might kick the goal, but he is a key player as a ruckman - his tap work, his goal-saving marks in defence, his marking between half back and wing as we come out of defence - these are all the work of s ruckman. Oh, and I forgot the clearances where he kicks it out of the centre himself. Which is why he has been 6 times AA ruckman.

Er, So is Gawn...... Gawn will be the AA ruckman, not Grundy.

Don't be effing ridiculous. As for your original post: how many times does it need to be said?- he is a good ruckman when, and only when, he is the main man. The same is true of Gawn. And the idea of keeping him at Casey just so he didn't go elsewhere: that is a really generous, good-culture thing to do - not! Not even Collingwood descended to that. Do you want us to be lower than them?

The way to get rid of this crud is to start winning. Let's try doing that. I have to agree with one thing: it would be nice to hear from Kate - even if it is just platitudes.

I'm with this, too

Simon panicked??? Simon panicked??? What about all the posters on this site who kept going on and on and on and on about how Collingwood had picked apart our game plan, we needed to move the ball quicker, our defence had been worked out etc etc etc But now the narrative is, we should have stuck with it?

This thread is disgusting. The way he is being discussed is appalling. A few years ago TMac suffered a serious foot injury. For the following two years there was an enormous amount of vitriol directed at him - but look at him now: reborn!! The simple fact is, foot injuries of this type take years for full recovery. MFC supporters should know this: see Trengove, Vandenberg, Viney as well as TMac. Petty will come good. What is certain is that when he does, most of the posters here won't own up to how bad their behaviour has been and how wrong they were.

If there is any coach replacement to be done, it should be at Casey. We need s strong VFL team, as we had before, and Casey started sliding the minute it changed coaches. A strong VFL team, thoroughly trained in the system, provides the base for success. And I don't think it is about personnel; it is about how the players operate within the system.

They've done it for years - worst offenders are Hawkins and Cameron - and I have never ever seen them pinged for it. Sorry, I forgot to mention Dangerfield....

I remember when they brought in the OOF rule and he was asked about it - he said something like "I wouldn't have worried, I was pretty good at the off-break". Great sense of humour...

Sorry to disagree with everyone, but I think it is great. Alistair Clarkson said years ago that if they want to get the game more free flowing, they should enforce holding the ball.

Completely agree with the first part (I have no opinion about improving soccer) . Our game plan is to win tight contested ball and defend - and then to take scoring opportunities if we can. I don't find it boring at all - and especially am not bored by our win/loss record over the last 4 seasons.

You shouldn't have summed up the strength. He is one guy I really dislike - not least, because his physical tactics (in particular the use of his knee - how ironic) have real potential to cause injuries.

People seem to think that in his presser, Voss was talking about the holding the ball rule. It didn't sound like it to me; it sounded like he was whinging about the free kick differential against GC. And if I am right: major hypocrisy.

It's going back a bit but tell that to Brian Wilson - or in the present, Jack Gunston. Or, come to think of it, Brodie Grundy.

Can't believe the negativity on this thread after a dominating win - actually, it's Demonland, maybe I can. The criticism of Petty identifies people who watch TV rather than going to the game. He created a lot of contests but also, there were a number of times where he was 20m in the clear when we were streaming forward and the ballcarrier chose other options. Kick it to him and he has a 3-4 goal game and doesn't get criticised. He is learning; he still doesn't fully trust his foot (I really hope that he hasn't had real harm to it today) and all Melbourne supporters should know that it takes over a year to really come back from a foot injury - look at Viney, Trengove, TMac, Vandenberg .... Petty just needs time.

Something tells me you are a glass half empty kinda guy.

Your point?

Don't worry, WCW. I think 99% of DLanders realise that Kent is a troll who misspells his name.

RDB and Robbie are clearly at the head of the pack in my lifetime, although we are incredibly lucky to have CP5, Max and Clarry, all of whom may be in the conversation. Can I mention David Schwarz, who if he had not been injured and have maintained his 1994 form would be right up there.

100% agree

Collingwood, who are second favourites for the premiership, had beaten Carlton by only 6 points the week before. Carlton came out breathing fire after that loss and yes, we started slowly and poorly. Our comeback was remarkable. What I was trying to say is, clearly the club is aware of these problems and is trying to address them. But it is not all doom and gloom; we have performed excellently over the last few years and I am confident we will continue to do so. No, I am not a troll. I don't come on to Demonland to bag the club. I am a supporter of the Melbourne Football Club who has faith that the coaches are trying to address these problems. I also have faith they know a lot more about what they are doing than I (or you) do.

Agree. It was a thing of beauty.

Just looked into this thread. First comment: the complaint is about the change in game style. For the last two years there have been any number of critics (moaners) who say Goody doesn't change things, isn't flexible. Now the complaint is that he has been flexible and changed things. Secondly, the theme is: Our game plan is no good. Is that what people thought after the Geelong game? Or when watching the comeback against Carlton? Third: The complaints about failure to get a good KPF and good ball users. As others have said, it is HARD to get s good KPF to swap clubs, and the threads has noted that we tried hard to get Tex. But our recruiting over the last few years has included JVR and Jefferson, as well as trading for BBB, Schache and Fullarton - clearly the club is trying to address this, and I believe that next year JVR will be a star. But young KPFs take time to develop. As for good ball users. - isn't that why we picked Windsor and traded for Hunter and Billings, and why we are playing McVee, Howes, Bowey? Yes, there is room to get much better, but noone should think the club doesn't know these things or isn't addressing them.