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I don’t know tbh. You could be right but the Task Force suggest it will positively impact participation rates.

By comments with regards to the 2’s were in the context of the talk before trade period of TMac staying to fight for his place. To dissuade him of this notion I would have been very clear in conversations with him that a) He’s not best 22 b) The youngsters such as Jackson and Petty will be given playing time before him That being the case a year in the 2’s beckoned for him unless he was traded. I suggested he take a pay-cut to stay or secure a move. Those views were shot down in flames by the majority. There was obviously a meeting of minds as he did in fact explore his options. There were no takers. The market verdict was clear. My comments were not intended to be disrespectful rather a realistic assessment of his situation. If my tone was curt, it’s because I expect $700k players to perform (injuries aside). I don’t know too many premiers who’ve carried a highly paid passenger. Cap is precious and we’ve wasted a chunk on TMac. With respect to the weight gain, has this been substantiated by anyone at the club or is it something his management is saying. The implication is the club have mismanaged him. Big call seeing as he’s had Burgess, one of the best in the business, for a year trying to get him right. Sounds to me like someone making excuses for themselves. I’m encouraged to hear he’s dropping the weight and is looking sharp. He appeared to be moving freely in the short snippet of footage I saw. He’ll provide depth and cover injuries to our KPP’s (hopefully won’t arise). IF he does regain his spot and produces 2018 level form I’ll be delighted and more than happy to come on here and say well done. But for $700k a year his 2018 form is what he’s expected and paid to deliver.

The club has been unfortunate to have a succession of lousy directors and boards. No vision or drive, a very poorly run football club. Peter Jackson was the first competent CEO the club had in my memory and he had to be parachuted in by the AFL. Pert has a good track record and i believe he will deliver but until the first sod is turned and construction commences I'll have to reserve my judgment.

I think that’s an understatement QD ?

I respect your point of view Ohio. Your opinion is just as valid as mine. If a player can do a job and perform the club will retain them and as long as the player believes the team can win a flag they'll stay. If the interests of club and player align, happy days, if not then a parting of the ways occurs. Loyalty plays little part in it imv.

Players in the Gold Coast have the beach lifestyle, weather and surfers paradise. Hasn’t done much for retention up there.

This is the accepted wisdom but the task force have refuted saying other sports, in particular basketball, are attracting the youngsters at increasing rates. If you’re not attracting the junior players to AFL they will not in turn become supporters. Maybe the task force are exaggerating this point but it does stand to reason.

I think this is right. My guess is the GC will have to relocate there. It seems the obvious solution. Tassy want a team but don’t have one. Gold Coast have a team but have no members or broader community support.

But it’s a 2 way street Ohio. Collingwood showed no loyalty to Treloar and Stephenson so you can’t blame players for making decisions that are in their best interests. Loyalty left the building when the AFL went professional. Perhaps revert back to the amateur status, take all that TV money and distribute it to clubs and grassroots to spend on facilities and junior coaching. Players play for the teams in the postcodes where they were born. It’s the model used in Gaelic Games in Ireland. You play for the county team you were born into. No transfers. It’ll never happen, too much money involved, but it’s the only way to ensure genuine loyalty to the Guernsey.

I learned a new word today. Bumboozer: A kind of large marble in children's games. Not what came to mind when I saw bumboozer in Wiktionary but there you go.

The latest from the HUN below. I reckon the pies are trying it on but without written agreement how do you go about proving what was agreed? It’s the pies word against the doggies. I think it’ll be the AFL or the courts who’ll have to adjudicate. Also, how does it work in practice? Would the doggies have a contract with Treloar for the full amount and a side agreement with the Pies for their contribution? Or just the one agreement involving the 3 parties? Could Treloars and his manager be the tie-breaker. Wouldn’t they have been privy to the negotiations? “Figures close to the standoff say the Dogs are adamant they will not be paying Treloar a cent more than a “watertight” five-year, $600,000-a-season contract agreed with the cast-off Magpies midfielder. It would mean Treloar is still owed $300,000 a year — or $1.5 million — under the terms of his original Magpies contract. But Collingwood insists the Bulldogs agreed to further negotiations over who would pay what to Treloar after the trade went through, which the Bulldogs absolutely dispute. The Dogs are confident any money owed above and beyond Treloar’s new arrangement at the Whitten Oval is simply a matter for Collingwood. The only concession the Western Bulldogs did offer Collingwood during the frantic final days of the trade period, one figure said, was an offer to front-end some of Treloar’s wages in his new contract to assist the Magpies with management of their salary cap. But if Collingwood’s position is right, the Bulldogs effectively agreed to a trade for Treloar without knowing how much they would pay him. The clubs agreed to the trade one minute before the AFL exchange period deadline. But no paperwork outlining any financial details has been lodged with the AFL by either club.”

you just beat me to it @DeeSpencer

A Tassy team would be no different to any other team as regards retention. If they’re successful they’ll retain and if not then they struggle. The same argument could be said if the AFL were starting a team in Geelong now. All the youngsters want to leave, who would want to live in Geelong rah rah, whereas as in fact, Geelong is cited as a lifestyle choice, amongst its other selling points. Why can’t Tassy be the same? Hobart is a beautiful spot.

And another thing, the assumption that a flag at the Hawks has a lesser value than one he would have won at the Dees is bogus. A flag, is a flag, is a flag. Pretty sure Brian Lake wouldn’t swap his 3 peat with the Hawks for a flag at the Dogs.

Not saying that any D’lander is a hypocrite (God forbid), but in the interests of full disclosure and transparency I think we should all declare, before passing comment on chip, whether we have ever a) changed jobs in our life b) choose an option which resulted in a greater financial return to us c) choose an option which provided us with greater opportunity I tick all the above. He gave 7 good years of good service when we were a rabble, (the last year club and player had separated in spirit) and we got pick 3 when he left. Won his medallion at the Hawks and has now taken the option of an extra year at the saints. Are people seriously saying he should forego a years income, at a level that he’ll probably never be able to earn post career.

It’s a mystery to me why Tassy hasn’t been given a team yet. Its footy heartland. Participation rates are the canary in the goldmine. Ignore at your peril Gil. It would be a shocking dereliction of duty to ignore the base and lose Tassy while wasting time and resources on a vanity project in the Gold Coast. Btw this Godfrey bloke appears to be just the type of hard headed realist needed to head up a strategic review of the Suns.

The very public nature of his departure from the pies and the continuing wrangling over his salary can’t be doing Treloar’s confidence any good. It’ll be very interesting to see if he can settle back down and produce decent footy for the dogs in 2021. I won’t be surprised if he under-performs.

I think his kicking is fine. He’s had off days for sure like every player but broadly his stats match-up with his peers. It’s the double grabs that are the big knock on his game imv. Cut those out and he’ll be a real threat for us. I don’t think the MFC have done a good job developing Sam. KPF will have off days. It’s important to persist and Goodwin hasn’t done that dropping him after some bad games, not picking him at the start of this season, which has obviously dented his confidence. Sam has had runs of games where he has been very good so he definitely has the ability. This year he needs to be backed in. Told he and BB will be our spearheads. Sending him back to the 2’s serves no purpose anymore. Let’s see what he’s got this year with BB beside him. I think he’s got the goods and will deliver 40 odd goals for us. Over to you Sam.

For those who aren't bothered to read the story I’ll summarise it for you: The car started. Then he drove it away.

Legendary. Maradona level.

slow news day at fox footy

Best not egg him on!

Fair enough Axis. Good points well made. Still reckon less talk and more action is the way to go though.

Pickett, Rivers and LJ were developing nicely.

I think the question should be Why do we need footy calendars at all. The kids are into ipads these days so I think their day has passed. btw the Collingwood calendar is probably worse than Norths