Lord Nev

Agree. We will severely lack 'directional leadership' both on and off field. I have hopes May and Lever can provide that at the defensive end, but we will lack it anywhere forward of that.

Official announcement on this coming very soon.

Not saying I'm his biggest fan or he's a rocket surgeon, just saying it's pretty easy for us as general footy nuffies to just criticize his opinions and predictions, but he's the one putting in the research and putting his name out there to cop it. He's played 241 more games than I ever will so he's more qualified than me.

Don't really think it's an 'easy' job at all. Whether you agree with him or not, he's one of the best for actually doing a stack of research into his analysis. If it was a 'very easy/high paying job' wouldn't we all be raking it in with every post on Demonland? I agree we should have had the blowtorch a long time ago, and if we weren't such an irrelevant club we might have.

Why do people always attack a commentator when they point out how bad we are? MFC have been extremely lucky so far in how they've avoided their right whack from the media. Only Ox and Lyon have noticed so far, but now, finally, the focus is on us (at least a bit anyway). Robbo has also described us as a 'basket case' in his regular post-round write up. It's not a commentators job to find the answers, it's our coaches.

Read the post again mate.

Yep, can totally understand that. But I think the core group have packed it in for the year, and we've got far too many players feeling 'safe' this year as it is. We've ignored genuine competition for spots all year, and now we're reaping what we sow in that regard with unfathomable lack of intent, effort and willingness to run.

Got a likely concussion in the first 30 seconds of the game. Classic MFC 2019.

I want to change things. If you want to just keep going as we are then that's your call mate, but we currently sit 17th with a genuine chance of finishing last. Time to actually shake things up, change the dynamic, reaffirm selection culture and get back our balls.

OUT: OMac, Viney, Brayshaw, Wagners, T.Smith, ANB IN: May, Maynard, JKH, Hore, Dunkley, Weid, Lockhart If we want things to change, you have to do enough to force that.

You saw his leg last week yeah? Add that to his already horrible tank and that 'run run run' would last about 8 minutes. Plenty of time for running during the week.

Geez Gawn's insights into the post-match message from Goody are horrible. Apparently we played well but couldn't finish off. Apparently they DON'T KNOW why they get killed on transition. Talking up the Richmond game, pretty much brushing off today. What a soulless club.

I'll crack a few for you JB... Viney - Not a captain Brayshaw - Mentally checked out OMac - Enjoy Gold Coast Goodwin - Camp ghosts remain The rest - Did they play?

Fun fact: Every team that has sacked their coach is above us on the ladder. *Potentially can included Adelaide in that if you believe the rumours.

Reports already around Pyke will be sacked.

There's a lot to play for every game (for good footy clubs). We're 17th.

Really, what did people expect tonight? Nothing to play for. Games like this are all about pride, culture and your fans. We have no pride. We have no culture. So who cares about the fans.

Lever continuing to improve too, and have liked Corey Wagner's intent.

Jones is rated as one of our best kicks this year. Don't know if that says he's harshly done by or shows how terrible our other players are.

Both teams have had horrible skills, Saints have smashed us in the clearances, and that's where we need to start to turn things around.

Fair enough mate, can totally understand how you'd feel that way. I guess for me, I see it more as Roos could have potentially changed his game style and match day moves based on the far better personnel Goodwin inherited, but we'll never know. I do think it's important to remember the quality of players he had at his disposal to implement that brand of footy though. The same things have often been said about Goodwin, and we've had a few beltings under him, with a far better list.

What makes you think the players were over him exactly? I don't agree with you, but open to hearing what made you think that, and then also what that tells you about the players if so.

Gaff is still being booed at every game at every venue right? Right.....?

I remember Lewis punching a young player in the jaw, yet weirdly he hasn't been booed every game since... Weird.

Yeah i think a lot will hinge on how Goody manages to balance his (seeming) want for total control (or stubbornness possibly), his need for better support, building relationships with a group that has had no consistency in lineup this year and re-intstilling the work ethic we've missed this year. Really intriguing offseason where we have to balance stability and change.