titan_uranus

More unnecessary pessimism. "Frost is a better bet than May" is not a sentence that is backed up by any evidence. It's just your way of whinging about May's start to his time here. Saying that Goodwin is only going play May over Frost to "justify his recruitment" is more whinging. We will play May when he is fit and ready and he will be an improvement on Frost or Oscar or Petty.

He's excellent. But he wouldn't commit to the club long-term. He wanted to play in Perth. We 100% made the right call. Our problem isn't trading Hogan, it's the complete lack of form of TMac and Weideman combined with the ineptitude of those kicking it to them. Agree. The non-shepherd of TMac's shot at the start of the second killed us. We had a modicum of momentum at that point and could have got the crowd up with an early goal. TMac not making the distance is bad enough, but no one in the goal square to shepherd it through is unforgivable. Absolutely unforgivable.

I'm not sure what your point is. Our side was the second youngest of the 18 sides to play Round 10. It was also the second most inexperienced. What part of that is misleading? The stats aren't posted in absolute terms - the average age was 24 so we're clearly not a side full of teenagers. They're posted in relative terms - whatever age we had, 16 sides were, on average, older. If you want to have concern over list profile, it's where you're old but inexperienced. That wasn't us this weekend (not on average, anyway).

These are two major issues that need to be worked on. How often did a GWS player take a mark inside 50 on a lead, with our defender trailing them? And how often did it feel like our forwards could get no separation on their GWS defenders? Only Hunt was regularly getting away from his opponent and he took three or four good leading grabs. But is it chicken or egg - are we seeing lack of separation from forwards because they are having the ball delivered behind them or above their head, as opposed to out in front of them to their advantage? Our kicking going inside 50 isn't improving. Agree to an extent. GWS' superior foot speed was evident today - so many times players like Kelly and Whitfield were able to break free from stoppages and get clearance on our mids. But generally, we looked much quicker last week with 20 of the same players playing this week. The game was much more on our terms last week - we were winning CPs and clearances. Today GWS beat us in the middle and, as is too often the case with us, if you beat us in CPs/clearances the rest of our game falls apart. You mean the same Jesse Hogan who played all four quarters today against Brisbane and didn't get a single kick? Meanwhile Dean Kent had 14 touches and zero tackles.

It's probably too early to get this thread going but whatever. In an ideal world, we'd get back Salem and maybe Hannan too. I'd be looking for replacements for Petty, Spargo, C Wagner and T Smith. So maybe that's Salem, Hannan, Weideman and ANB?

6 - Gawn 5 - Hore 4 - J Wagner 3 - Harmes 2 - Baker 1 - Hunt

Jon Ralph (FWIW) tweeted that it's a rolled ankle and apparently "potentially puts his AFL return back a week".

I've always wanted to see Stretch get a run at it and maybe he will get more games with our injuries, but I'm at the point where I feel like we can call time on him. His decision making isn't improving (he continually looks like he sh*ts his pants in traffic and he picks terrible options downfield too often) and his contested work isn't improving (he squibbed one contest and dropped his head when marking late in the game). He is a good runner but that isn't anywhere near enough to overcome these two major deficiencies. Source for any of that Petracca stuff? IMO Petracca wasn't that bad today. He was doing a lot right but the way our midfielders delivered the ball to our forwards (i.e. almost never to advantage) he wasn't able to get into the game.

Did anyone else hear Phil Davis as he ran to the bench mid-way into the first quarter? He yelled out "they're f**king sh*t! No pressure!". Ostensibly to give his team a rev-up but largely directed at our bench. Arrogant? Maybe. Accurate? You bet. When you have this many VFL-level players in the 22, you have to start with the non-negotiables - chasing, tackling, effort and intensity. We had about five players bring the required level in the first half. On a 9-day break, there is no excuse for being so insipid so early. In terms of our skill, yes, other sides have had injuries too, and some have done well despite those injuries, but that doesn't mean every club is expected to be fine when they have a 17-man injury list and have had a major portion of the club in rehab since December. Today's side had Stretch, Spargo, C Wagner, J Wagner, Petty, T Smith and Lockhart. Of those, only J Wagner and, briefly, Lockhart played respectably. I'd drop the other five immediately if I could. But it's not just our injuries. We have too many best 22 players who are out of form and/or underperforming - Brayshaw might be at the head of this list. He was ineffectual all day. Then add Jones and Viney, who are struggling, and when Oliver gets tagged out of it our midfield was essentially Gawn and Harmes. On the flipside, we've found a gem in Hore, Baker's shown enough in his two games to suggest he can make it at this level, and Lockhart shows flashes of brilliance (I think fitness is his big problem so a pre-season will hopefully do him wonders). We need to spend the rest of this year re-integrating key players on the injury list into the best 22 - Salem, Hibberd, Melksham, Lever, May, Hannan, vandenBerg, J Smith, Jetta (and, IMO, Weideman). And we need to demand that Oliver, Brayshaw, VIney, TMac, Petracca and Jones (so long as we keep playing him) lift their games.

Anyone who thinks MFCSS is some sort of joke, read this post. Only on Demonland could we have someone post something this negative about players finally returning from injury.

Same as asking why we wore our red-backed jumper on Friday night. We played West Coast in Perth twice last year and wore our normal jumper with white shorts both times. There's no clash at all between their royal blue/yellow and our navy blue.

What Viney does well, he does very well. Unfortunately what he does poorly, he does quite poorly, and that's his kicking. If he can't improve his kicking he'll never become a A-grade midfielder.

I suspect much of it is psychological. Tonnes of inside 50s, but the longer we go without scoring a goal the more pressure builds every time we take a shot that we convert it.

This is a terrible take. This is better. There was no need whatsoever for Jetta to pin both of Smith's arms and drive him head first into the ground. There was no need for him to take Smith to the ground at all. The tackle should have been penalised because it was dangerous. The suspension is the right decision, the free kick on the night was incorrect and it had a material impact on the game.

When discussing this game there are two non-umpiring issues to bear in mind: 1. By my count West Coast had 2 best 22 players missing (Barrass and Naitanui), whereas we had at least 8. 2. They lost Venables late in the second but we then lost ANB early in the third, and also later lost T Smith and Salem in the fourth, finishing with one on the bench. 1 exacerbates 2 - it’s harder to cover for injuries mid-game when the players trying to do the covering are already reserve/back up players.

Let's be fair though, most people on here had written us off before the game, so the fact we led for 80%+ or something like that and should have won should be a positive to the same people who thought we were in for a 10-goal loss or a repeat of the prelim.

I see Fritsch's problem as being fumbles. He seems to make a number of errors when going for the ball or handpassing. He nailed some kicks today though.

Garlett's miss, when he had entire 50 in front of him but lazily kicked it from 40 instead of running in, was the worst one.

I've only seen the second half and that was clearly the best football we've played all year. We lost this game because we dominated the third quarter but barely scored. We were playing top 4 football at times, other than in respect of shots on goal. We were tough at the contest, quick on the spread, we hit targets by foot, we had players leading up at the ball, but when we needed to kick the goal we missed or fluffed the mark or didn't make the distance or dropped a soda of a mark. We should have been 5+ goals up at three quarter time, not 2. Key umpiring mistakes in the fourth didn't help. I'm pretty sure Petty touched that first goal, there was the non-call on the throw, but the biggest one was Jetta's sling tackle on Tim Smith which should have been called a dangerous tackle. Each of those cost us a goal and the third one was when our confidence broke. The crowd found its voice, they had their confidence, we were a runner down on the bench and on a six-day break with too many VFL level players we hit a wall. We should have had a nice 5 goal buffer though, so that we could afford those things to happen. Play like that for the rest of the year and we can improve significantly and do far better than our current record suggests.

Feels like we have one too many tall defenders - do we really need all three of OMac, Frost and Petty?

Yes we do - McDonald, Weideman, Preuss, Petracca are in the former group, and Spargo, Garlett, Hunt, Petracca and Melksham are in the latter group. The ability is there, the form is not.

Agree. The OP says games are "harder to watch" because there are fewer instances of a team scoring 100 points. The Melbourne v Essendon game had lots of goals but no skill, turnovers galore, and no defence from either side. I don't accept that made the game enjoyable. The scoring debate is taking over from the real debate, which should be about what we are actually watching. Goals do not make the game enjoyable in all circumstances.

Did he? I read that he first went off in the third quarter, but the break happened in the fourth quarter. A 15-player injury list is sizeable. On the AFL's website (which is not up to date), St Kilda has 14 players listed but most other clubs are 10-12, and some are much less (e.g. Brisbane has three). More importantly, of the 15, 8 are first choice 22 (Lewis, Lever, Melksham, Hannan, May, Hibberd, AVB, Jetta) and a further 4 (Weideman, JKH, J Smith, KK) who are on the fringe, if not actually best 22. It's tough going for us on this front at the moment.

Haven't seen anything other than the last two minutes. But I know that we had three injuries, including to Melksham who appears to have been one of our better players in the first half. And I know that GC are a better side than in 2018 (seems many don't realise that). And I know that GC haven't been involved in a high-quality football match all year, bringing most of their opponents down to their level (I think only Adelaide has looked strong against them, even West Coast at home last week struggled to get out of second gear). And from the sweat levels I saw on the players in the final two minutes, I wouldn't be surprised if humidity/dew played a role in the fumbling. And the tackle stats, particularly tackles inside 50, were at an elite level. And then on Sunday they side we beat last week dominated GWS. I'll take the win in those circumstances. Let's see if we can build on this.

Really surprised that ANB got dropped. I suppose it's a positional/rotational thing, maybe Petracca/Melksham will play more minutes in the forward line to compensate and Viney takes their midfield minutes, but I thought ANB's running and pressure were good last week and that's what we want from him. Viney has declared himself fit multiple times in the past and proved on game day to have been wrong. I hope this time he's got the call right.