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Anyone know if this is this legit?

I like this thread. Even if we're all completely wrong about Langdon, at least for the first time in 6 months there's some positivity back around us. I'm really looking forward to seeing him line up for us. Why should they be viewed independently? Just so you can isolate the Frost trade and whinge about it? It is completely feasible, even probable, that we did the Frost deal knowing what we were going to do with the Langdon deal. People get too caught up on draft picks sometimes. Ultimately we will look at this trade/draft period at the end and look at who went off the list and who came onto it, and we'll see in time whether the added players have improved us. Your list of other options to trade out is classic Demonland silly season thinking. Frost had value this year. We have the ability to cover for him (whether you like May/Lever or not). None of the players you've listed have anywhere near the value that Frost has. And none of the players you've mentioned were out of contract and asking for a big pay/year rise. Frost was entitled to want more money/years in his next contract, but I completely understand (and agree with) the club's decision to hold back on giving him that rise and to instead "cash in" on his 2019. IMO, even to those who think we've lost value in Frost, I think the gain we get from Langdon should outweigh the loss to Frost. We need more run/carry on the wing than we do Frost's daring runs out of the backline. We will be a better side long-term with May and Lever playing FB/CHB reliably and Langdon on the wing.

Very happy with this.

Pleasing news! Source/link? Says the poster who's developed a "doom spiral" narrative and takes every opportunity/topic to repeat it. I just can't stand the way any piece of news is, for you, another example of the club being on its knees. Maybe you've just gone off a cliff in terms of your optimism/confidence in the club, and whilst that's understandable I find your arguments at times to be anything other than convincing.

Has this been announced? Did I miss this?

Lol @praha You're just posting whatever suits your doomsday, hyperbolic, OTT negative outlook. No Brisbane in the frame = we can't prise him out of Collingwood. Then Brisbane show up = Brisbane has "gone past us". If we were Brisbane you'd be critical of our 0-2 straight sets home finals exit. You'd note that we had no injuries all year (which probabilities suggest won't happen again in 2020), and you'd note that our fixture only had one repeat game against the top 8 and in our 9-game winning streak we only beat two top 8 sides, one of which was a faltering Geelong by 1 point. Brisbane looked good this year. We looked just as good last year. Both young, both taken ages to make finals. Never mind the inaccuracy of calling Tomlinson a Frost replacement (by the way, if the media reports are true we'll be paying Tomlinson less than what Frost wants, and we get a draft pick out of trading Frost with no pick needed to get Tomlinson).

Frost's 2019 looks better than it really was because the side around him was so poor. He's not worth what he's asking for. The reports suggest Frost is asking for more money than we're prepared to pay him, so we've let him talk to other clubs and are prepared to let him go. I completely understand the club's call. Arguments that we should keep him because of his pace are misguided IMO. Yes, teams need foot speed, but not from their key defenders. How many key defenders also play the dash off half back role? We need to plan our list for our next premiership, not for more seasons of 2019-level rubbish. Arguing that we should keep Frost because May and Lever might get injured again isn't, IMO, a smart approach to list management. Edit: forgot the argument I find the worst of them all: the argument that if Clarkson wants him then he must be good. Clarkson might be a stunning coach but he also traded in Vickery, Fitzpatrick and O'Rourke, all of whom stunk. Really such a dumb argument.

And GWS' isn't?

Travis Varcoe? Hell no. His best was 5-10 years ago. We don't need more inconsistent forwards who float in and out of games. McIntosh I'd be interested in, though. Might free up Salem off half-back.

The same posters who argue Tomlinson is no longer in GWS' best 22 and/or is surplus to their needs. The same posters who then argue we should target Richmond's depth (i.e. players who aren't in their best 22 and, in the cases of Butler and McIntosh, have been pushed out since 2017 by other players, exhibiting something of a downwards trajectory).

"Going fishing" is a nice idea, but what you're advocating is that instead of targeting players who are available, we instead speculatively see if contracted players want to jump ship. Of course, you have no idea whether the club is or isn't asking the question (or at least will start asking the question now that Richmond's season is over). But if your best argument against taking Tomlinson is that we should instead be "going fishing", I think you need better arguments.

Classic Demonland to say he's a crap player because he was no good or "went missing" today. The entire GWS side went missing. No point judging him on today. Tomlinson is a role player. He has little x-factor, but he's versatile, fit, hard working and consistent. For "free" (as in, as a free agent), I'm fine with taking him, but only if his salary reflects the fact that he's a role player (i.e. he shouldn't be on big coin, at all).

My guess is that the meeting happened, some grievances were aired, and then as the story got passed on from person to person it changed. Deliberately or inadvertently, someone heard “Petracca was upset about certain things in his meeting” and turned it into “Petracca is going to request a trade”.

I took two things from the article. The first was that it’s bad PR. Why send a message to members that we’re happy with how our defensive efforts were going in a year where our defensive efforts were patently not good enough? The article could have remained positive but at least been honest about our need to reflect on things and learn from them. The second is that the quotes from Brayshaw don’t look like things someone would say if they’d requested a trade (or are planning to), as has been reported on here.

Laird is an excellent player and worthy of a first round pick, but I’d rather us spend what we have on our midfield and forward line, if we can.

Yes (I’ll do my best to remember each week!)

This is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said, which is something. Every club has to use their cap. Someone has to finish 17th (and 18th). You don’t get to tie payments to ladder position. Remember when I said I enjoy your actual posts about football but forget when they’ve ever existed because all you do these days is post these sorts of snide remarks?

I’m sad we’re delisting him, not because I disagree (I think it’s the right call), but because I wish he was still part of our best 22. I loved it when he joined and when he was playing well he was a reason to go watch us play.

Demonland proves some guarantees. One of them is that the same posters who are currently complaining about us making decisions before this “review” is complete, would be complaining if we had not made those decisions and waited instead (“Nero fiddled while Rome burns” would surely have got a run).

He didn’t want to leave Fremantle last year, whether to go to Melbourne or any other club. You’re currently upset that we didn’t trade for him last year when there is no evidence he had any interest in moving, so you’ve just made something up in your head. There is some supreme hypocrisy/irony in the bolded line.

Ridiculous. If anything, he’s a rich man’s Spargo. I’d kill for Spargo to play like Elliott. But I’m not sure I’d take Elliott, I think his best is probably behind him and I’m not sure about his back.

The pre-game and gameday (before the game started) threads are full of people saying we’d lose by 10+ goals. Yet I can’t see a single post in here where someone admits to being surprised by the result. I haven’t seen the game so I would actually have liked to read a post or two touching on what we did to match/best them for long parts of the game. Did we seek to play the more controlled game we’ve tried playing in the second half of the year?

Agree. This pre-season I hope/pray that players train in their best positions and that is where we see them in 2020 - so Fritsch spends the summer in the forward line next to TMac and Weideman, Hunt forward, Petracca more in the middle, etc. I wonder how much of the 18/19 pre-season Fritsch spent in the backline/midfield or Hunt spent in the backline?

You really need to stop taking your anger and sadness out on people who see things differently to you. Whether you like it or not, nothing BBP said was wrong. We absolutely “looked like winning” the Brisbane and WC matches, and neither the Fremantle nor Carlton games looked as bad as you are suggesting (if we hadn’t had three injuries including TMac vs Carlton it’s completely reasonable to suggest we’d have won by 7+ goals). I would suggest the “sad” one is you, and anyone else like you who isn’t capable of seeing anything positive.

Sensible changes (although there won’t be too much care). Would love to see us surprise everyone and win this game, but I’m not holding my breath.