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Even the best players only have the ball in there possession for a few minutes each game, so what you do when you don’t have the ball is arguably more important. It’s a waste to have a player doing nothing for 99% of the game if they could be helping out defensively

So Wagner survives due to no pressure from below. Great...

You would expect if named McDonald plays and so does Spargo since they tweeted it out. Suspect the last 2 sports will be Fritsch and Joel Smith. Imo neither Wagner or Garlett should hold there spots

To much left to to few, I’ll reserve judgment until Viney is back, if we are still stinking it up then we have to go back to the drawing board

You realise if we are to play finals those are the type who need to lift, they just need more time, they are still young and all 3 have shown at times they are capable

Doesn’t help he’s been asked to pinch hit in the ruck, from what I recall he injured his shin in the north game doing just that

We were fine until it got a bit wet last week, under Goodwin we haven’t played wet or windy conditions well at all as we do t adjust for the conditions

Might have been said already but of the 21 games we conceded 4 or more goals in a row since round 21 2017, we have won 9 and lost 12, of the 5 games we didn’t concede 4 or more we won all 5 Richmond for comparison conceded 4 or more 8 times in the same 26 home and away games, winning 1 and losing 7, of the 18 games they didn’t concede 4 of more in a row they won 17 lost 1. 2 possible takes from this, we are either very good at winning when we concede 4 or more straight, or we are losing many games we should have won due to this

I always find it interesting that people always focus on the negatives of a player, ie they missed the shot, stuffed the kick, turned it over ect. It’s almost as if they would prefer a player who made no mistakes but in doing so did nothing in the first place. On that can someond explain why they would have Bugg out before Garlett or Fritsch this week. I mean he had more shots on goal, more tackles and more score involvements than both of them. It seems like people would prefer he had 1 shot and 5 disposals like Garlett

Agree with the ins but not the outs. Although Bugg can be wasteful in front of goal it was only last week he was one of our best players, and even taking his accuracy today into account he was still one of the better players in the fwd line today, on form Fritsch or Garlett go out before he does. Harmes also gets a pass to since he is stupidly been played out of position as a back up ruck, Melksham is debatable but I think he has runs on the board so would survive for now. My outs would be Jetta, Frost, Vince and Fritsch Outside of Fritsch I don’t think any of the other 3 has played what I would consider a good game this year. Not that they are the only ones mind you but they are the most expendable of that group

Under Goodwin we haven’t played well when it is wet or windy so today’s result was not unexpected once I saw the weather, I was more surprised that we did so well in the first qtr than anything. Lever has to go back to the 2’s and find some form, I don’t care how silly it makes the club look in recruiting him on big money it’s the only way he will be any use to us, continuing to play him is doing him no favours

Hawks fwd line is quite small so I could see Frost going out for brayshaw I could also see Hannan coming in for Fritsch who struggled a little last week. I think Weideman will need to put together a string of good games in the vfl before he will get a look in, worst thing for him at this stage would be to bring him in and he has no impact and goes straight out again. Not sure who listens to SEN here but King and the guy from champion data had some interesting stats about our fwd line this year yesterday, basically we are the top few for marks inside 50, entries inside 50 we are also one of the highest defencive pressure fwd lines too, I think this is in no small part to playing small.

ANB is simply not getting enough of it round the contest for mine. Melksham also isn’t having any impact on the scoreboard so has to be under pressure to hold his spot and dare I say Jetta is really struggling to have the impact that he has had in the past few years A number of times yesterday we really lacked pace for mine so Hunt has to come back as soon as he finds form in the VFL, we saw him go fwd a few times last year so I’d try swapping him out for Melksham if he puts his hand up. Brawyshaw is the obvious in for ANB if he continues to put his hand up at VFL level. Something still feels off to me this year, we aren’t playing anywhere near our best footy, a lot of players are down on last year’s form but this is hidden somewhat due to the massive improvements of Hogan, Gawn and Petracca

Both these are spot on, it feels like too many people are just looking at names to decide on who they would like in or out, rather than objectively looking at how each player performed. I'd just like to add Goodwin has shown a clear preference for players who get the tackle, spoil or perform the pressure act over the player who is more skilled with ball in hand. This might hurt us slightly in the short term but if every player knows they need to bring that in order to get a game regardless of other talents we will be a much better team for it. That is how you built a culture that stands up when it matters and why teams like the swans are always in the mix year in year out while other teams cycle in and out contention.

Assuming no injuries, I wouldn’t be making any changes other than, perhaps Vince or bugg for Brayshaw. Brayshaw did play a nice cameo up fwd in the Jlt so might be viable. Pedersen has to say in to ruck when Gawn is off and to play as a decy tall fwd, we have no one else who can play that role. Lewis despite his brain fades stays as I think his knowage on field is invaluable to a young team plus he’s fine the other 90% of the time, he was instrumental in our 2nd half turn round last week. Wagner did enough for mine, probably says more about our lack of depth that he stays in the side, what I would give to still have Howe, he single handily kept pies in the game today.

I expect we will see, Hannan and Salem out for Brawyshaw, Tyson, Bugg (pick 2). I don’t necessarily agree but think Maynard and Wagar did what was required from the coaching groups pov, that been 1 getting to the contest and 2 putting their head over the ball. Personally I think that is to dogmatic but that seems to be the way of thinking right now.

The better team on the day won, good to see that we gutted it out and almost pinched it, in the past we could have folded after half time.

Unless Brayshaw and Tyson are didn’t come up I can’t figure out why 1 or both were not picked, going just off the JLT games, I would have both ahead of Hannan, Maynard and Wagner, they can call play the same roles of mid, general defence or general forward

Shame about Kennedy, still thought he had something to offer and had improvement left in him, in his senior games last year I thought he held his own and found it odd they didn’t give him a look in this year despite his form in the vfl.

If they refuse the picks they risk getting nothing, I’m sure dees could get him through to pick 10

According to some quotes from Brian Waldron below, Watts and Salem are up as trade bate to secure Lever. For mine Watts has had his chance but Salem still has so much upside and we need more like him https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/15/plough-shocked-young-dee-is-up-for-trade/

Except by the time that happens Pedersen and Lewis will be retired or on last legs, with Jones and Garlett not far behind. And we would have traded out any sort of depth. Having said that it would all be worth it for a flag. I like to think (foolishly) we already have all the right players and we just need more time.

My bad thought we were bottom 6 last year, must have been thinking of 2015. Still it does get exponentially harder to win more games since those wins need to come against better sides. I hope Goodwin has a plan B up his sleeve next year as our style of play got found out more and more as the year went on. Most of our wins in the 2nd half of the year were due to talent and not tactics. A reason why Brad Scott beats us time and time again, he's a better coach than his brother.

Anyone expecting 16 wins next year will be in for a very disappointing year. I think getting 13-14 will be more than hard enough with the tougher draw we will get, everyone saw what happened to saints this year, don't be surprised is we take a step back in wins.

Howe only wanted to stay on his terms, we needed him to play back he wanted to play fwd that is why he left. Also at the time he left for all the good things he did he was also to unaccountable as a defender and would go missing for large parts of games (not that our current backs outside of Jetta are any better in that area), from what I have seen of him this year he has improved in those respects somewhat.