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This says it all Scary to compare our drafting in the same years.... 2001 Luke Hodge (1) — 250 games, 3 x All-Australian, 2 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships, 2 x Norm Smith Medal Rick Ladson (16) — 125 games, 1 x premiership Campbell Brown (32) — 159 games, 1 x All-Australian, 1 x premiership Sam Mitchell (36) — 261 games, 2 x All-Australian, 4 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships 2004 Jarryd Roughead (2) — 207 games, 441 goals, 2 x All-Australian, 1 x Coleman Medal, 3 x premierships Lance Franklin (5) — 182 games, 580 goals, 5 x All-Australian, 3 x Coleman Medal, 2 x premierships Jordan Lewis (7) — 217 games, 1 x All-Australian, 1 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships Tom Murphy (21) — 95 games Simon Taylor (53) — 85 games

If that happens & they play in their fith gf .. It's a mockery of the equalisation of the afl as they never wanted 1 team dominating

Well said.... We can't change the past but can learn from it...... My only concern is successful clubs can now continue to attract quality free agents & continue to maintain their dominance & keep them in the premiership clock.....

Whilst Hawks United their supporter base & put long term plans in place like waverley etc .. We waited on a white knight to save us , turned down Olympic park/ now Lexus .. Watched another club jump on it....engaged with a tennis player to be our CEO then gave it to a snake oil salesman Along with an ex coach of freo a who almost buried our club!

It's reality

It angers & frustrates me, since the failed merger Hawks are looking at possible winning their 4th flag & 3 in a row, huge profits & 80 k membership.... Our club just couldn't move on & continued to take a band aid approach & be run so poorly & butchered so many early picks & sees frustrated supporters celebrating 7 wins.... I'm sickened to death attending mates BBQ watching their team win flags each yr!!!!!

Thanks a lot Ross Lyon you pretenders.. Thinking you can win a flag by kicking 8 goals... Thanks to you I now have to attend my mates BBQ for the 4th yr in a row & watch Hawks play in 4 gfs & possibly win 3 in a row!

Hodge, franklin, Lewis , Rioli, Roughead , Mitchell etc etc... They haven't given the farm to attract big name player..... I can put up the Geelong list of players.... You win flags with strong culture .. You can't buy or draft it.. All those Hawk players who come from other clubs walked into strong culture & become better players... Ps love to have him though

Get over it... Maybey as a footy club we just need to work hard to develop great talent & culture.... Geelong & Hawks did & won flags .. No quick fixes Ps didn't we offer early picks to the crows last yr & was rejected by both club & player???

So we're hoping that crows will force a trade & wr dreaming he will come to us.....

What a shame he didn't get the send off & celebrations to applaud his footy achievements.....

Why do we continue talking about a player who has no chance of coming to our club....

Maybey that's the issue with the club... Hung onto the past & not moved on with the times..... Very sad club was run like a train wreck & supporters left looking @ black & white footage... Honestly FFS it's how could such a ruthless culture allow itself to become so insignificant & a laughing stock... Apart from 2 periods of success under Northey & Daniher... We have been a joke... Had a enough going to my mates house for a BBQ to watch the Hawks play & win another flag!

Need to move on... Focus on what club needs to do to retain quality players....

Not all trades work... But can anyone on here state their credentials & exp on player talent... Let's trust the club....

Roos is all class.... We need to respect that most of the players his team has brought in have worked well.. Vince is evident that our culture & environment has come fwd a fair bit.. He was all but gone @ the crows & to win a b&f says it all...

Not AfL standard players...happens in all clubs... Though our culture & development environment pre roos era would not have helped...

Guy has been smashed with that Number 1 pick tag..... But how would he have gone in the 2 finals of the top 4 teams which were played & high intensity???? Bottom line is we need players who can play @ that level.. He has a few mates also... Roos said it well need to improve the list & need to trade something with value to get something....

Its a compromised comp with not playing each other twice & a fixturing based around TV ratings etc.... Bottom line the you reap what you sew..... MFC has itself to blame with poor mgt & diabolical recruiting, culture & development....

Part of the dees recruiting strategy in Neeld era.....

Doesn't say much about the draft system... It appears that bottom clubs are getting early picks & developing them only for top clubs to swoop on them.. understand players may wanna go home etc. & club will be compensated...

Buckley made a great point ... Do footballers want to be AFL players.... Huge commitment required.. Whilst there are skilful players can they commit to playing AFL??? Even Hogan said on 360 it was a shock on the amount of time you spend training & meetings etc Wouldn't touch him... Trying to build culture & our list not at that stage of taking risks....

I just hope awards like these & the Brownlow are won by non midfielders... Can't remember last time a full forward , Blackman or ruck won something ... Too much emphasis on how many possessions etc rather the impact a player has on a game.. Eg full back keeping a forward goalless & how many spoils & marks they take

Treloar ... nominates the filth. So what's the real difference between free agency and doing a trade in this instance? At least doing the the trade GWS should get compensated & not @ the mercy of the afl compensation.

Correct. If I'm wrong but looking at the afl ladder... If Adelaide had won today would they not have jumped over the Bulldogs & host a home final????? Controlling your own destiny????