Demonsone

Players choosing the club they want to be traded to.. Just another form of free agency... Afl need to change the rules, when a player who wants to leave theyb should be traded to a club which gives the best trade deal... If player wants to choose a club of choice wait unti free agency ... Can't have it both ways! ... Trelor has been in the game for 5 mins & is demanding which club how is that right???

Imagine shafting the filth twice on 2 players!

Tunnel ball competition is looking for players! Lol

Can we get pick 3 of GC & use it for Trelor?? Pies wouldn't have an early pick like that???

Any chance we cand the trade with GC & get pick 3 to offer GWS for Treloar??

People get real.. Need to be successful to attract an A grader.. gotta get better & developing A graders!

Htf can Hawks land another gun after winning a flag... After landing a kpp in frawley after winning a flag... Competition is in a bad way

Agree free agency is hurting the game & attracting A graders to big clubs or in still premiership clock mode & players who choose a club to be traded at is a claytons free agency ...... So the exact mechanism to help with equalisation sees the same players leaving bottom clubs at lions exodus.. One could argue with all the $$ & members, facilities the pies have 1 flag since 2000... So no guarantees

Perhaps $$$ is not everything ... Move on people ... Afl have a real issue as all A grader free agents a re moving to bigger clubs not a great for the comp .. If that's what you wanna call this fixturing league!

Great character .... These are the players who you can build success.. Putting club & other players before him... Can't ask for anymore & MfC should show his interview to all existing or potential players!

So why do we need free agency????

Pretty spot on... Though Hawks will say that they have operated under some conditions & lost Buddy with no compensation...... Issue is the afl & players association want it both ways..a draft & cap as equalisation & free agency & fixturing which rewards successful clubs ....can't have it both ways!

I respect our history & love the club & a 18 yr member.... But we need to stop going to records we set over 50yrs ago as something to hang our hat on... Respect & that's all... Our club needs to make history'

Great we have the history but facts are Hawks have won 13 flags since 1961 vs us 1 in 64....We Have played in 2 GF since & flogged in both, 2 periods of success with Nortthey & Daniher..... I'm 51 & my best mate has seen 11 flags .... Enough said!

Hawthorn have been building foundations since the failed merger almost 20yrs ago.... I think people forget how strong off the field they become financially including the Waverley deal which was a bargain etc... Stability was the key & with strong cash flows they attracted the right people across the entire club .. So 4 flags in 8 yrs just didn't happen..... Look back on our club in the same period ...we wanted a White knight to be our saviour, poor long term vision, rejecting the now Lexus centre, continued internal board & mgt issues, CEOs changing, crap sponsorship fiascos, band aid approach & diabolical drafting & culture as a result of wrong people in critical positions, continued coach changes & game plans....

If can't get a game in team playing finals ... Why would we take him????

Last time checked there were 18 teams & only 1 team can win a flag .. Not all players will be premiership players... Restraint of trade is garbage when your originally drafted by whichever club picks you... Loyalty is a 2 way street but these players have to get a reality check, that not all of them can play for the Farken Hawks & win 3 flags in a row!

Bottom clubs struggle to secure classy free agents... We offered Dangefield big $$$ but no interest .... Good players wanna go to top clubs to win a flag.. Eg frawley .. Vicious circle & got caught in the cycle of bad drafting & expansion clubs ...

Well said... & no one wants to take away there succes as they managed & used the system well... But does the afl want supporters feeling that their club basically has no chance of winning a flag???

Correct.... Though the dominace of 4 clubs has occurred regardless of premiership droughts ... My fear is free agency will allow top clubs to target bottom clubs of talent & keep their premiership clock open.....

Not at all . MFC position own fault .. But there are 15 other clubs who haven't won a flag in 15 yrs.... 80% of flags between 4 clubs.. Afl can't talk about equalisation then have these results .. How's our comp really changed from the dominance of a few clubs in each decade??? Apart from the 90s maybe... You reap what you sew... MFC were diabolical...

Firstly well done to Hawks as they showed what a well run, coached, trade,development & cultured club can achieve.... But this is not what the afl wants, domination by one or 2 clubs..... In the last 15 yrs 12 premierships by 4 clubs .. Hawks 4, cats 3, lions 3, swans 2 not to mention Hawks 5 gf, cats 4 gf, lions 4 gf & swans 4 gf... Can't see equalisation here.......

Agree Hawks have had early failed picks.... But not as many as the MFC ... The above drafting/free agents along with below & the rest is history... The quality of their field kicking is so dominant & when u hit targets it results in less turnovers... Some of the kicking skills from our players have been deplorable... 2001 Luke Hodge (1) — 250 games, 3 x All-Australian, 2 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships, 2 x Norm Smith Medal Rick Ladson (16) — 125 games, 1 x premiership Campbell Brown (32) — 159 games, 1 x All-Australian, 1 x premiership Sam Mitchell (36) — 261 games, 2 x All-Australian, 4 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships 2004 Jarryd Roughead (2) — 207 games, 441 goals, 2 x All-Australian, 1 x Coleman Medal, 3 x premierships Lance Franklin (5) — 182 games, 580 goals, 5 x All-Australian, 3 x Coleman Medal, 2 x premierships Jordan Lewis (7) — 217 games, 1 x All-Australian, 1 x best and fairest, 3 x premierships Tom Murphy (21) — 95 games Simon Taylor (53) — 85 games

Recruiting in the early to mid 00s did not address the changing style of the game which was contested footy...we all know the failed early picks from 07-13...club had too many coaching changes & poor direction with poor recruiters which resulted in one of the poorest lists in afl history.... Yet hawks had 2 super drafts in 01 & 04 coupled with stability & resulted in 3 flags possibly 4 in 8 yrs...