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i am not arguing that we didnt take our opportunites, but how can you claim they didnt cost us at crucial moments? they dissallowed a goal that we had kicked, with only a couple of minutes left in the game by paying a suspect free kick. that would have won us the game. how more crucial can you get?????

was one of the best fullbacks for a while. very solid. pity he couldnt kick. but well done on a good career all the same.

not really in the theme or mood of this thread is it? trav well done on getting 150 up for the dees. use it to fire up son, lets have a big one tomorrow.

yeah i thought that was pretty much the case...think about it. how much do we charge for membership? now if the same person came and paid to get into every home game what is the cost? the reason the big clubs do so well is because they charge reserve seat prices which dont cost any more- its all profit. west coast and adelaide make heaps out of this. so would collingwood and essendon i assume. you're always guaranteed a seat at an mfc game so we don't get that revenue. the membership is guaranteed income. only 16,000 turned up to freo but we had 27,000 members pay for their tickets effectively. if we had 50,000 members and 25,000 turned up to a game along with 20,000 non members, the effective revenue would be 70,000. i know that is way over simplistic but we get that money whether they come or not. higher membership numbers mean bigger exposure for sponsors through websites, magazines, at games etc. do a straw poll around the office and ask who everyone barracks for then see if they know who their major sponsor is. then see if they know melbournes sponsor. bigger supporter base, bigger advertising.

bibelieve our forward line was dysfunctional to the point of non-existance in the saints game. miller was struggled with only 1 mark. aaron davey our livewire crumber had only 9 possies and no goals. in fact neitz and robbo, our key forwards kicked 3 each so they weren't the issue. kicking long to a player or a contest is good. bombing blindly in an up and under swirler of a kick isnt effective, and chance are it will just come back over your head. Brad Green, Jeff White and Cameron Bruce were our only other 3 goal kickers that day. it sounds like the midfield went missing. when your key forwards each kick 3 goals you would hope you can get at least 5 or 6 more from the midfield. i think this is a more complex issue than simple saying, play forwards and kick it long.

are you watching every game or highlights packages? just out of interest. and who were your top few last year and where did they finish? how do you rate yourself compared to the umps?

i spose the reason we havnt had success doing this is because we havnt had a forward line! they've all been injured...

i thought i read that last year we had one of the highest rates of scores direct from point kick ins. i laughed out loud when i read that thats why i remember. but it might not be true. does champion data have a site where you can get anything you want?

west end shouldnt be used to cool the power plants...if they want to bring coopers across however we should confiscate it and enjoy. botlte conditioned ales are a delight. and so is their stout.

vote no1 for madness to be our new man in the know

newton only turned 20 last friday? with 3 years in the system? he has plenty of time ahead of him...he is only a kid FCS

fair summary jaded, but just not sure who to replace him with. i reckon he'll go into the media short term then come back and coach elsewhere...too much experience not too be utilised somewhere...

i would think that the normal cost of a member would only just cover the gate reciept of their ground entry. the money coming from an mcc member would be all profit as i understand that the mcc pays a certain amount per person through the gates towards gate reciepts. if this isnt the case its no wonder we dont have any money! (can anyone clarify for me?)

CD you took mine. i will have to go with 22,458 then...

yeah fair point about his match day coaching. personally i thought the miller on hall was a negative move that shouldnt have been made. but conversly godfrey on goodes was out of left field and was a winner. i spose the big moves he has tried to make, davey and bruce in the midfield, jamar up forward etc havnt really come off. if jamar had of kicked a bag one week that wouldve been good coaching. he hasnt so we slag him off for not doing anything. green shouldve been at FF in my opinion recently but as has been shown he is one of our better ball winners, especially with half the side out. so by having him at FF he wouldve starved the forward line of supply. we do play our best footy as fast, free flowing attacking footy, but we also lost a crucial game to freo in that style and we have struggled when teams have played shut down defensive footy turning it into a scrap. run and carry to me is a variation of run and kick long. the difference being that instead of bombing long you utilise the handball untill the free man can get a clear kick, direct it appropriately and hopefully to allow time for the players up field to present. at the moment no one is presenting (except miller) and we are struggling. the bomb it long plan falls down when we get shut down across the half forward line. i reckon if danniher had of had a great CHF to work with we would've won flags by now. but we have had a full forward and a flanker who plays tall. when we play fast aggressive footy we pay dearly on the rebound, and everyone was critical of ND for this. we couldnt play the tempo footy with the best of the teams so last year he introduced that game plan and style as an alternative. run and carry is fast and aggressive footy we just don't have the cattle at the momentto pull it off. what gets me is that if we were 3 and 2 or even 2 and 3 we probably wouldnt be having these discussions at all. and i still think that with a full side on the park we wouldve come close to over running the saints and hawthorn and it wouldve been interesting against freo...

no worries...what are your thoughts on it cb?

im not nasher but i'll have a go. at the moment i am fence sitting too. daniher has experience at the big game. it is, whether we like it, an important quality. he was a gun player before injury cut him down. he did the right apprenticeships as assistant coach. (these first points are major qualities we would want in a new coach) he has taken a team to the GF. he has led us to the finals the last 3 years. in two of those years we were cruelly cut down by injury (i dont care what you say neitz is a massive loss, and while 1 player doesnt make the team, if you took lloyd, hall, brown, revolt or the equivilent forward out of MOST sides, they will struggle in finals footy against quality opposition.) overall we have had reasonable success without the big one. if we were a company ND would stay on because we've done pretty well. but theres only 1 winner per year in footy. his list development has been pretty good given draft restrictions and a couple of obvious blunders. this year there is nothing else he could've done. 5 months ago everyone was saying we were top 4 and a shot at the final. but i bet everyones plans involved neitz, robbo, rivers, mclean and pickett playing most of the season along with TJ and davey knowing what a football looks like (someone needs to tell them they are chasing the red thing...). there is no doubt we have been cripple by injuries. in an even competition this makes a difference. it is not an excuse but it enough reason to wait on the fate of a coach who has served us well for 9 years. the main reason i am for waiting and seeing is because we dont know whats out there. there are more dud coaches than good ones. replacing ND with a dud amature could be even worse. is ND a bit slow in making decisions on the field. yes he is. but all coaches have some faults. is ND the worst option out there? no. is he the best? we'll have to wait and see. bbub, could you get the same stats but make them all clubs winning percentage over the same period, and also all coaches winning percentage over those periods and see where ND sits then...

but it wasnt needed and it clutters the thread...

was there any need to post the article almost in its entirity this far down the thread? just your thoughts would have sufficed as most people who have read this thread also read the article at the top...

the problem with rounds 1 and 2 is that in both games we had no fit players on the bench to rotate. this is adressed in the article as well. we have the lowest rotations than any other club in the league. is that because we dont want to rotate or because we hanv tbeen able too? given that we generally agree daniher is happy to do what other sides do when he is coaching, it makes sense we would have lots of rotations as well. when it happened to us during the saints i thought thats karma for last time we played them. but to happen the next 3 weeks as well left us in all sorts of trouble.

i havnt seen the burgoyne incident so i cant comment. i will comment however on the tribunal. it is a joke, it is inconsistant, and i promise you as soon as we have a player reported they will challenge and get more weeks because they lose the early guilty plea. however. i prefer to see players get off. was what burgoyne did that bad? it was in the play i believe and he made some head high contact, not severe but could of been avoided. the way i see that is its should be a over the shoulder free kick. the trip by hodge should have gone for weeks. that was deliberate and dangerous. spitting on a player should get weeks. pushing an umpire should get weeks. if a player is bending over and you contact them with your hip that should be weeks. but little punches and pushes and soft bumps where a player gets up should be ignored. in fact even if a player doesnt get up as long as contact doesnt get made to the head (ie wheelan against ball) it should be play on. bumps are good for the game. pushing and shoving is, im afraid, part of it. its not netball, its not basketball. we dont need to be so soft.

i agree choko at least he named his source...but a friend of brocks sister is a little suspect. because i know a lot of people often say a mate of mine, when they mean someone they met once. like perhaps brocks sisters friend told a friend of madness... the only source that counts is when someone who knows tells you. ie brocks sister. thats not saying its not true, and he probably didnt deserve the ridicule of the others, especially how many people quote big footy on here...

awesome bbp...you managed to get double the post value for the last post! love the copy and past lol the numbers are good. i dont think bums on seats is as important as member numbers when it comes to a lot of things corporate. every member gets sponsorship material directed to their home, which they read. plus the money generated from mcc members is pure profit as they don't pay match entry fees. exciting times we have. we have ifnally got some stability of the field...now we need success on it..

you would think that skills like this would be basic, like a batsmen working on his feet or a bowler using his front arm...ou would think that they would constantly be coachng and reviewing on video these types of techniques...

well it was dirty and behind the play. i wouldve rathered he hit him, not a shoulder to the back. goodes got very frustrated on sat night, godfrey had his measure all day. he has had a pretty good season godfrey, i wish he would get his disposal up to a top standard, he would then be in our starting 22 (on current form)