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in all honesty, there are at least 3 threads on this subject already throughout the message boards. BB cannot be toblamed for any of the structural injuries (mclean, neitz, robbo, frawley, bartram, TJ) which have occured at the club. this leaves: maloney, sylvia, holland (soreness on sunday), rivers, byron picket, weetra are the soft tissue injuries around the club. moloney and sylvia can be associated with ongoing OP issues, prior to BB. pickett can be attributed to being unfit and the long plane trip. this leaves hollands soreness, rivers and weetra. only 3 soft tissure injuries of which 1 was not bad enough to keep him off the field.

in the first 90 years of football, how many promising young stars had their careers cut down early by OP? why is this a new problem?

demondave...mark williams kicked 6 goals, 3 or 4 which came from freekicks. and the others didnt all come on bell...wheelan had a stint too. remember that we got smashed across the ground and a quick leading forward with space and good delivery is always going to be dangerous. bell has been one of our best. he has endeavour and he has class. a combination sorely lacking across the board at the mfc. belly could be a midfielder,. maybe a good one. but i am sick and tired of mfc players being made into something they are not. green and davey should be forwards who maybe rotate into the centre to change match ups, provide spark or pace. they are not midfielders. bell is playing good footy in the backline. and i would like to see him stay there for a while and let his form continue. lets not muck around with him just yet. something to remember about bell is that he is from country SA and had limited formal coaching until he was drafted by the dees. before that he played on natural instincts and skills so the learning process is different from a kid who has played rep footy since he was 12.

the picking of kids who are 17 nd without gaurantee of making it amazes me. i really think we should be picking enough to have a reserves comp, so that players can develop ion the 2's and only join the senior team when they are guns. yes we might still pick kids a bit younger than ready but they then develop into footballers...our top competition, the afl, is not as good as it could be, as a large number of players are still learning the game at this stage...

source? its not that i dont believe you, its that i wish it wasnt true...

have you read this robbo_king? http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=741 im guessing you havnt... http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php...ic=4974&hl=

ok lets have a think about this. we get the same amount from the afl as everyone else (maybe a bit more because of the CBF). do you still get your own gate reciepts? because this would put us behind the 8 ball a bit, but how much exactly? the only other reason i can see that we wouldnt have as much money as other clubs is sponsorship. is sponsoring collingwood or essendon really worth that much more than sponsoring the dees? you would think that they would get similar levels of coverage and advertising (yes i know we have less members and less games on tv) but are the difference really enough to have us down a mil or 2 in sponsorship?

which will mean the development of an afl reserves competition. most likely the 10 vic clubs will have their own seconds comp. i think this is a fantastic idea. it will allow the afl clubs to develop players how they want. they need to make sure that we have lists of 50 players again however, and that all are of a good enough standard. the vfl will be the next comp down. the vfl wont like this as it takes away a certain level of interest in its teams.

dutchy layed a good enough game in round 1 to be rated the 3rd best player for the demons in the average of two games but he was dropped after round 1. due to match ups i dont mind. good to see him back this week, but i hope he wouldve been picked, even if rivers was fit...

its bad to peak early? do you still have optimism for us?

3 weeks ago, who wouldve had miller leading the votes?

us geelong and freo, the most unpredictable teams in the comp...

surely we cant win 8 of our next 9 lol

well we are the two oldest footy clubs so at least we have some history. but the reason we dont play collingwood is because a) it wouldnt get enough people to the game and B) we play them on q's bday.

good point jaded. it is also interesting to note that if we take the leigh matthews, substitute system on board, once a player is off injured they wont be back on. reducing the risk to these players of a second injury. the other side of the coin is that, players might be risked out on the ground when they would have normally come off for a short break to ice/rest/whatever. or injuring the oppositions star player could now put them off the game for the whole game, not just the first quarter...

i'll add to what i said. by making players play through any soreness or injuries (such as winding or a heavy knock) it will bring back physical hardness as an advantage. if people were using their body it takes more out of the opposition who need to get up and run to the next contest. if they don't you have an extra player floating around. unfortunately i cant see the afl going back to this substitute system as it will slow the game down significantly, and they risk causing injuries to their stars players, who they need on the park. but i think it will be a good move for footy. it might slow it down but it will bring back the contest, and make the need for good skills more important than ever.

just wondering if we had an update on the demonland leader board after last week?

using those gps trackers they use now they have found that some of the fast bowlers in cricket cover as much ground during a game as an afl midfielder. from the daily telegraph: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5006069,00.html brad hodge (australian batsman) has been running an extra 13 kms on top of his usual training... you can only have a runner if you injure yourself during that particular game. im not saying thats what happened im saying thats what should happen. true, you dont kick the ball with your foot, unless you are a fast bowler kicking it up to yourself... yes there are difference bettween footy and cricket. many differences, but not quite how you described it

should there be a distinction between concussions and structural injuries? i agree we need to do something about the interchange bench. the problem with the substitute system is that there needs to be some level of treatment of a player on the ground...what if he gets a knock to the chest and is winded do you take him off for good, or make him stay on and fight through it. i actually like the idea of making the player work through it. it will bring back the hardness of the game. you have to be able to last all day.

im a bit sore, but i'd play this week if they wanted me too...i think the word sore needs to be replaced with slight strain whereever possible when describing footy injuries...

im not blaming anyone, and i doubt it is the fitness guys fault, as i am sure that there are the proper people working on core strength etc to keep the injuries in check, but it is interesting to note, especially after the problems at hawthorn...

out of interest we said earlier that we had a lack of soft tissue injuries but now we have rivers (hamstring) and sylvia (quad) weetra (hamstring) pickett (unfit but hamstring) maloney (calf soreness on monday) i will keep a close watch on this...

we're all hoping its football related...and i'm sure yze_magic wishes it wasn't

anf JAG, it works too that if you have a number of stars firing, the oppositions best stoppers try to play on them, allowing the lesser lights to shine unimpeded. if you have no stars, or your stars are horribly out of form, closer attention can be paid to the 2nd tier players who are performing well. if we had a WC midfield, godders would get 25 touches every week, because he is not being counted on or close checked. we dont. and we have a pile of players who arent doing the damage and this highlights the lack of skill amongst the 2nd tier players.

maybe luke molan could add some toughness to our forward line this week?