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A win next week and we still finish 2nd.

Game changing decision.

Simon gets blamed for a lot of things but this is a new one!

That's a shocking decision. Mark to Kate Hore everyday. And if it isn't it's a ball up. She clearly thought she marked it, and claimed the mark. You can't penalise someone in that situation.

Not at all (to a white jumper). The clash is horrible tonight. Just wear the blue backed standard MFC and there is no clash at all.

The umpires just allowing tackles to go on and on and on until someone rips or throws it out is ridiculous.

Death, taxes, and Kate Hore being cool, calm and collected.

Big game tonight, probably decides whether we play Brisbane in the semi final (if we lose today) or Hawthorn (if we win).

I can actually see Xavier Lindsay being capable of playing (or at least developing into a) centre square mid. He is hard at it, wins his own ball and moves through traffic well.

I'm not claiming he has good disposal, but I'm wary of clangers as a measure for this. Clangers are an error made by a player that has a negative impact on their team, such as kicking or handpassing the ball directly to an opponent, dropping an uncontested mark, or conceding a free kick or 50-metre penalty. Not just fluffed disposals. In fact a direct turn over can also be an effective disposal, if it's kicked more than 40m to a 50/50 contest (assumable assessed based on numbers at the contest) but marked by an opposition player.

Minor point for the on/off list at the bottom: Hore was a rookie and Fullarton on the main list. But that doesnt affect the new list going forward. Thanks for your work!

A bunch of players there we need back for and in the team asap if we want to challenge in finals.

7 and 8 on its own is reasonable, but if they require us to give them the equivalent of pick 8 in points in later picks back, then it's only pick 7 isn't it? Pick 7, 8 + F1, for all of our late picks this year (which will be pick 8+ in points) is a fairer deal. Given their first pick next year is probably going to be 15-18.

Doesn't trade week have until next Wednesday? I don't expect a resolution until the last day.

It seems overly complicated and therefore unlikely. And it seems that Clayton has been genuinely hurt, judging by some of his comments. But at first I did wonder if some of it was driven to expose who was leaking. But I think that kind of plot is way to sophisticated for this scenario, and I don't think it would be fair for us to use Clayton as a means to find that leak internally, given his own issues.

I really don't think we've handled this one well. If we did any of the leaking we really ballsed it up.

Absolutely agree @Lucifers Hero , I reckon @red and blue forever is doing a stellar job, it's hard with all the news sources reporting info and it not getting formalised etc! @red and blue forever if you're trying to keep it factual, that's good enough for me! You're right I don't think any other clubs supporters are lucky enough to have info like this available, it's a big responsibility but also a really big volunteer role, and your efforts are appreciated.

@red and blue forever I reckon Turner has been pretty rough on you here, and you do a great job at a relatively thankless task. It's absolutely up to you how you run your thread, but I don't think it is a bad suggestion to only update the list with official changes, so that it's a complete/factual record? I know I personally would find an official, factual, list (like it has traditionally been) a more useful resource. But of course if that's not your preference and you'd like to take it in a new direction, that's your call!

Has Miochek actually been confirmed? I saw that he nominated us, but didn't realise it went through.

I can infer, but they were questions a good journalist could have asked to get decent responses. Instead they asked lots of questions that were always going to get "I can't respond to that." it was a waste of time. Because we may still be stuck with Oliver. Maybe he doesn't agree to trade or no one will trade anything for him. I still believe we can telegraph "Oliver is a superstar, and we'll always find a role for him, but we don't believe his strongest role fits with Steven Kings game plan. He is a champion of our club, and we don't want to see a player of his talent out of the game, so we've offered the opportunity to seek a trade where he may be offered a role that suits his style better. If not, we know he will work hard within our system and game plan and compete for a spot on our best 22." In a way that we can still trade him for a bag of chips. A trade comes up and people say "you accepted low for Oliver " and we say "they might think it was low, but given the role we saw him playing in the new game plan we felt it was a fair deal, and we wish Clarry all the best". It's not hard. I think they've gone out of their way to make it uncomfortable for him. But I also think that diminishes his value in the market.

I thought Lamb just straight batted most things in a reasonable way, and I thought he answered the questions about Clarry's role and off-field well. But the questions overall were poor. Too much focus on things they all knew Lamb couldn't answer - will you pay salary, what trade would you accept - and not real question ls like: What is the role King would require Oliver to play? Did Oliver say he was or wasn't prepared to play that role? You've talked about how Trac is a modern day great, but Oliver has 4 X Bluey and 2 X AFLCA MVP and you don't talk about him in the same way, why? You mentioned that to trade Trac the offer needs to be head turning, but you aren't using the same language Oliver. Is that because you see him as surplus to your current needs? Are WCE in the conversation for McVee? Would you be prepared to send him to the PSD if Fremantle didn't offer a reasonable trade? Would you be prepared to re-draft McVee ahead of Freo in that situation? Personally, I am a bit disappointed that there has been a clear decision to pump up Trac as a great but effectively down play Oliver. There is no reason the club couldn't say similar things "Clayton is a great player and if he would prefer to seek a trade because he doesn't like the role outlined for him, we expect to see a deal that provides value to us versus the value he'd provide in role we think he'll play on King's game plan moving forward.".

Trac has him covered in hit outs though!

Shelley Heath has had an excellent year to only have 16 votes. Not saying it's wrong, just noting she has been super consistent without being in BOG contention. A real purple patch for Fitzy and a bit of a breakout season for her. She's been a great consistent team player but really come by into her own now as well!

We've definitely got a door, so we've got a gym!

The audacity.