Almost sounds like possibly a backroom deal may've been sold.

Boy, we can only hope but until we know I won't be holding my breath !!!

Thank you to both Ward and Godfrey, two players who always gave their all and got the absolute most out of themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if, at 26, Godfrey puts himself in the PSD. Carlton could, and have, done worse

A bit surprised about Neaves, but maybe they don't feel he is ready to be promoted so they'll delist him and pick him up again as a rookie?

I guess he hasn't improved much over the year, unlike Jace Bode who just saved his career in time.

I'm assuming the club will now try and trade Ferguson and if they can't, he too will be delisted.

This is such a great move by the club, even if it is only a small one. It shows me that Dean Bailey really is looking forward and not hesitating in getting rid of players who are clearly not up to it.

ordinary footballers?

players who have had a bad season , bad career? a few bad games?

we couldnt clear our list of ordinary players in 3 seasons, if u were deciding who was going.

I am glad the Club can come to sensible decisions when other clearly arent able to.

I would be clearing them out within 2 years.

I guess you would keep them and treasure them then wonder why the hell we dont win games.

But on more important issues, thanks to Godfrey and Ward for their endeavour and effort over their careers. Unfortunately they were not good enough at this level.

Thankyou to Godders and Ward, great servants to the club!! Wish you all the best in the years to come.

I havent seen much of the Neaves, Hayes and Neville but i hope they continue their careers and all the best

the biggest surprise is Shane Neaves, we all thought he might make it, looks like he won't, not with us anyway...

so that's Bizzell, Pickett, Brown, Ward, Godfrey and Neville off the senior list along with Neaves and Hayes off the rookie list...

you'd expect the promotion of Jace Bode, which leaves 5 spots on the senior list... we currently selections 4, 21, 37, 53 and a pre season draft choice... you'd expect we want to improve our draft position, trade week will definitely be interesting...

thanks for the memories godders and wardy!! not surprise about shane neaves or daniel hayes though. good luck to them anyway..

6 delistings...

we can expect 1 or 2 more after the trade period...

if we pick up a ruckman during trade time then Jamar will be delisted. If Miller and C.Johnson cant find new homes during trade period they could also be under pressure to be gone.

Seeing as Warnock is under contract and assuming Holland is kept as depth, we now have Warnock, Holland and Ferguson all kept on as key position depth...i assume ferguson will therefore be delisted as well in the next 2 months

Every year people say trade week will be interesting. Yet every year, trade week is painfully uneventful. Generally just a few nothing trades 10mins before the deadline. And Bailey has already stated he isn't the biggest fan of trade week, so I wouldn't expect too much action...

But best of luck to Godders and Ward, kinda surprised to see Neaves go. Can we still re-rookie him? What happened to ruckmen taking longer to develop?

Neaves? What the?

Why would we spend two years developing a ruckman who shows real promise only to delist him when is beginning to hold down the regular No 1 spot at Sandy. I don't get it. I hope Bailey had a really good look at him. Wierd????

Unfortunately they were not good enough at this level.

Let's recognise their entire careers. They both played over 100 games of footy.

Neaves? What the?

Not good enough. Too slow.

Why would we spend two years developing a ruckman who shows real promise only to delist him when is beginning to hold down the regular No 1 spot at Sandy. I don't get it. I hope Bailey had a really good look at him. Wierd????

Bailey obviously saw nothing in the kid

how did Neaves show real promise? the time i saw him play he looked like mark jamar. slow, doesn't do much around the ground and no football brain. the only time he held number 1 spot was because either jamar or pj were playing seniors or injured. got drop in the middle of the year aswell which showed he took a bit of a backward step. he is 199cm. but we need a ruckman who can take big marks, quick, kick goals when resting forward and do a fair bit around the ground.

how did Neaves show real promise? the time i saw him play he looked like mark jamar. slow, doesn't do much around the ground and no football brain. the only time he held number 1 spot was because either jamar or pj were playing seniors or injured. got drop in the middle of the year aswell which showed he took a bit of a backward step. he is 199cm.

Totally agree.

but we need a ruckman who can take big marks, quick, kick goals when resting forward and do a fair bit around the ground.

hopefully we can pick a ruckman like this in the draft

strangely the only comment I can come up with is... I'm surprised that Neaves is delsited.

I await further rumblings...More must be to come in some fashion...surely thats only the entre !!

:( :( :(

Thanks Godders for the memories. You'll be missed.

Hannabal summed up perfectly. These guys have done what most of us would give anything for, and both have made the absolute most out of their god-given abilities.

I definitely think the club are moving in the right direction here.

:( :( :(

Thanks Godders for the memories. You'll be missed.

And I am glad that so far Holland is safe for 2008. He has his uses.

Biffinator.

In regards to Godders and Ward, there is no doubt that it is the right decision. We need more talent on the list.

I don't think it's correct to say that Ward wasn't up to it. He was a very serviceable player over the years with good speed and a hard edge. He's past his best and is no longer a best 22 player, but he was a fair player over the years.

Godders got the absolute most out of himself. For someone not of AFL standard in regards to speed, disposal, decision-making and awareness, he can be pretty proud of his efforts in playing 100 games. Fantastic worker and great courage.

Thanks to these two for their efforts. The decision is correct. But we can also acknowledge their efforts over the years.

With the de-listing of Neaves, it means we will be going after a ruckman during trade week or early in the draft.

Godders, I will miss you!! Bloody legend that bled for the club!!!

Thank you to both Ward and Godfrey, two players who always gave their all and got the absolute most out of themselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if, at 26, Godfrey puts himself in the PSD. Carlton could, and have, done worse

A bit surprised about Neaves, but maybe they don't feel he is ready to be promoted so they'll delist him and pick him up again as a rookie?

I guess he hasn't improved much over the year, unlike Jace Bode who just saved his career in time.

I'm assuming the club will now try and trade Ferguson and if they can't, he too will be delisted.

This is such a great move by the club, even if it is only a small one. It shows me that Dean Bailey really is looking forward and not hesitating in getting rid of players who are clearly not up to it.

Agree that Ward and Godfrey tried hard, but they wouldnt get picked for any team that made the 8, which I suppose why they have been delisted.

I think that Ferguson should be retained as we lack height in defence. When ever he has showed improvement he has been unlucky copping some bad injuries so I think he's worth hanging onto.

Well i for 1 am happy at the delistings so far and hope that Jamar is added to that list, didn't see enough of neaves to comment on him.

Such is football, as already stated both Wardy and Godders can be incredibly proud of their achievements. I'll especially miss Franky... I doubt there's been too many blokes play 100 games for the MFC that had less talent and more heart than him.

I think Neaves is still eligible to be re-rookied by us, but I'd be surprised if he was. He didn't show enough to get promoted. With only one real ruckman on the list - two NQR ruckman and no development ruckman... it's time to draft at least two more rucks. I'm not in favour of trading for someone like Woods - he Meesen, Moran etc will all be far too expensive... better to tighten our belts and just pick some ourselves.