2 hours ago, bluey said:

Rogers stats are all below average, 172 cm, a foot smaller than Harold Sharp, not even a giveaway.

To be fair, he was sub effected in 50% of his games this year. He can play, but he is no Humphrey alternative.

Can a mathematician see if this works for GC to still match Uwland and Patterson?

WCE Get: Pick 7, 8
WCE Give: Pick 2, 34, 38, No Bid @ 1

GC Get: Petracca, Pick 24, 28, 38
GC Give: Pick 7, 8

Melbourne Get: Pick 2, 34
Melbourne Give: Petracca, Pick 24, 28, No Bid @ 2

A few assumptions:

• Big gap between Duursma, CDT and rest of draft cohort (per Twomey)

• Melbourne being very keen on CDT (makes sense on paper)

• Aggressive pick trading is something we have tried many times in the past.

Hird would know all about disasters at footy clubs

His club is still a disaster 20 years on 🙄

Edited Wednesday at 11:405 days by Very Jaded

22 minutes ago, Langers15 said:

Can a mathematician see if this works for GC to still match Uwland and Patterson?

WCE Get: Pick 7, 8
WCE Give: Pick 2, 34, 38, No Bid @ 1

GC Get: Petracca, Pick 24, 28, 38
GC Give: Pick 7, 8

Melbourne Get: Pick 2, 34
Melbourne Give: Petracca, Pick 24, 28, No Bid @ 2

A few assumptions:

• Big gap between Duursma, CDT and rest of draft cohort (per Twomey)

• Melbourne being very keen on CDT (makes sense on paper)

• Aggressive pick trading is something we have tried many times in the past.

No offence mate thats a bad deal for Melbourne..

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

As opposed to the way the Bombers are tracking.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

As opposed to the way the Bombers are tracking.

I think Hird mentioned this saga is a strong message for a team out at Tullamarine. Hird is correct, this is a train wreck, losing 2 decorated, experienced players who in theory should be playing close to their best football, for massive unders. As I have posted before moving on one or the other for a fair price makes sense, moving on both in what the other AFL clubs know is a fire sale is crazy stuff.

As Hird & Co point out there was a first round pick on offer last year for Oliver but we said no. After a year in which he showed signs of getting back to his old form and importantly had no off field issues, he suddenly is not required, as the game has passed him by, we have said as much and let it be known we will pay half his wage to boot! Fingers crossed we get a fair return for Tracc.

17 hours ago, Demonland said:

In the same manner Hardwick has pledged to use Petracca’s leadership skills in a young midfielder

Good luck with that dimmawit

21 hours ago, Gator said:

Out of interest, why does it matter if 6 drops to 11 when it stays the 6th ''live'' pick ?

Any F/S or Academy player won't be available to clubs anyway.

It doesn’t but every third post we hear about it….every year….

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

I think Hird mentioned this saga is a strong message for a team out at Tullamarine. Hird is correct, this is a train wreck, losing 2 decorated, experienced players who in theory should be playing close to their best football, for massive unders. As I have posted before moving on one or the other for a fair price makes sense, moving on both in what the other AFL clubs know is a fire sale is crazy stuff.

As Hird & Co point out there was a first round pick on offer last year for Oliver but we said no. After a year in which he showed signs of getting back to his old form and importantly had no off field issues, he suddenly is not required, as the game has passed him by, we have said as much and let it be known we will pay half his wage to boot! Fingers crossed we get a fair return for Tracc.

What’s occurred at our club since the flag is a sad and a reflection of how poor the Coaches and footy dept managed the culture player behaviour & how Richardson is still in charge of the footy dept! Having Green say at the B&F that trac & Oliver are not going anywhere to this is a joke yet not a peep from Green! I feel for King but did he have a chance to sit with Trac face to face to talk?? Though I question Tracs motives to leave in particular if he’s negotiating his contracted as reported. No question Oliver should have been moved on 12mths ago..it’s just seems like another MFC balls up!

Might only be my thinking but I've had the suspicion that after the last failed effort to get out of town (leave Dees ) he's been plotting how to do it better.

I dont begrudge him that but can we all stop with the charade this has been anything else.

Take away all the smoke, mirrors and 🐃💩 its just someone fed up where they are and looked to get away. Anyone who thinks people dont talk in quiet places... well....

Be glad when wed 7.30 rolls around and we can move forward

Go Dees

1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

I think Hird mentioned this saga is a strong message for a team out at Tullamarine. Hird is correct, this is a train wreck, losing 2 decorated, experienced players who in theory should be playing close to their best football, for massive unders. As I have posted before moving on one or the other for a fair price makes sense, moving on both in what the other AFL clubs know is a fire sale is crazy stuff.

As Hird & Co point out there was a first round pick on offer last year for Oliver but we said no. After a year in which he showed signs of getting back to his old form and importantly had no off field issues, he suddenly is not required, as the game has passed him by, we have said as much and let it be known we will pay half his wage to boot! Fingers crossed we get a fair return for Tracc.

Calling this a “train wreck” is lazy analysis. What Melbourne is doing isn’t panic — it's changing course (which supporters were yelling for the club to do). Hawthorn and Collingwood copped the same criticism when they moved on big names like Mitchell, O’Meara, Treloar, and Grundy. Yet both clubs came out stronger for it. They weren’t conducting fire sales — they were cutting out complacency.

Melbourne’s doing exactly that. Keeping Petracca and Oliver out of fear would be far riskier than trading them. You can’t build a new era while two massive contracts eat the cap and stifle young midfield growth. That’s how you end up stuck in mid-table purgatory — too good to bottom out, too stale to contend.

Trading them now isn’t desperation; it’s leadership. The club is resetting before decline sets in, prioritising culture over comfort. This isn’t a wreck — it’s prevention. And the clubs that have the guts to do it early nearly always come out the other side stronger.

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's ignoring that Melbourne today is not the Melb of last handful of years.

But he's good at skirting inconvenient truths.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Good... cough up Cac !!!

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

But also we won’t pay anything of value for him

Get your hand off it CAC

Melbourne is changing direction, Essendon is treading water, it will be interesting to watch how each club goes in the next 2 years, and this trade period is an important factor

23 hours ago, Gator said:

Out of interest, why does it matter if 6 drops to 11 when it stays the 6th ''live'' pick ?

Any F/S or Academy player won't be available to clubs anyway.

Because you're not actually getting access to the 6th best player in the draft class. You're getting access to the 11th best. Of course it's relevant. It's hugely relevant.

2 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

I think Hird mentioned this saga is a strong message for a team out at Tullamarine. Hird is correct, this is a train wreck, losing 2 decorated, experienced players who in theory should be playing close to their best football, for massive unders. As I have posted before moving on one or the other for a fair price makes sense, moving on both in what the other AFL clubs know is a fire sale is crazy stuff.

As Hird & Co point out there was a first round pick on offer last year for Oliver but we said no. After a year in which he showed signs of getting back to his old form and importantly had no off field issues, he suddenly is not required, as the game has passed him by, we have said as much and let it be known we will pay half his wage to boot! Fingers crossed we get a fair return for Tracc.

We will get a fair return for Tracc, Clarry I am hopeful that Giants will be reasonable.

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I interpret that to be something like they want Tracc plus something for Humphrey and we want Humphrey plus something for Tracc.

You can see the middle ground, if they are now talking trading Humphrey for family reasons, a straight swap.

44 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

He's ignoring that Melbourne today is not the Melb of last handful of years.

But he's good at skirting inconvenient truths.

I would say Essendon's situation is a disaster, and we haven't hird anything about that.

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I interpret that to be something like they want Tracc plus something for Humphrey and we want Humphrey plus something for Tracc.

You can see the middle ground, if they are now talking trading Humphrey for family reasons, a straight swap.

57 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

Because you're not actually getting access to the 6th best player in the draft class. You're getting access to the 11th best. Of course it's relevant. It's hugely relevant.

But you never had access to them anyway.

Crying over something out of your control is usually a waste of time. But, by all means.

Petracca and a 3rd rounder for Humphrey and a 2nd rounder. Good to up the stakes. Otherwise we get 3 first round pick plus one of their academy picks other it is no deal.