10 minutes ago, Turner said:

WHO GETS THE 'REVERSE COLEMAN'?

JEREMY Cameron won the Coleman Medal in a canter, kicking 83 goals in the home and away season ahead of Ben King's tally of 69. But what about the 'reverse Coleman'?

The reverse Coleman relates to the defenders who have conceded the most goals to their opponents throughout the year and the title goes to Port Adelaide's Aliir Aliir this year.

The Port backman conceded 49 goals this season, often taking the opposition's best forward in a tough season for both Port Adelaide and Aliir, who battled injuries to continue to take the field late in the campaign

Richmond's Ben Miller (46 goals) was next most along with Carlton's Jacob Weitering, with Bulldog Rory Lobb and West Coast's Reuben Ginbey (44) the next most conceded. Steven May (43), Luke Ryan (42) and Callum Wilkie (42) were after that on the list, with Ryan the only player from a finalist side in the top list of the reverse Coleman.

But what about the 'reverse reverse Coleman?' The players who conceded the fewest goals… We put a minimum 20 games played to get the best measure of the stingiest defenders, with the results showing the half-backs to lead the way.

Champion Data's referencing includes all players whose primary position for the year was as a defender, meaning those who played some midfield time are included. Under that model, the players with the fewest goals conceded (with a minimum of 20 games played), were Port skipper Connor Rozee and Fremantle backman Bailey Banfield with nine each

yes he takes the best forward, but even being on this list shows he has had a decline, at 33yo surely that only worsens next year

Go over the AA full backs over the past 20 years, they will all be on or around this list. Alex Rance was always top 3-4 in the reverse Coleman, but people rave about him. May has declined yes, but is more a victim of our poor transition to def from turnover. Makes it very hard to get into position to intercept, like he always has, when the ball comes in so fast and with minimal pressure.

I do think he is one we move on if he is happy too or wants too.

i'm actually surprised Moore isn't on this list as he is another one who get goals kicked on him because he is and aggressive backman.

Is there a thread for Lever? I read his was seen at Arden st, I’d like to keep May.

22 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Is there a thread for Lever? I read his was seen at Arden st, I’d like to keep May.

Lever story was a made up twitter story

6 hours ago, Turner said:

WHO GETS THE 'REVERSE COLEMAN'?

JEREMY Cameron won the Coleman Medal in a canter, kicking 83 goals in the home and away season ahead of Ben King's tally of 69. But what about the 'reverse Coleman'?

The reverse Coleman relates to the defenders who have conceded the most goals to their opponents throughout the year and the title goes to Port Adelaide's Aliir Aliir this year.

The Port backman conceded 49 goals this season, often taking the opposition's best forward in a tough season for both Port Adelaide and Aliir, who battled injuries to continue to take the field late in the campaign

Richmond's Ben Miller (46 goals) was next most along with Carlton's Jacob Weitering, with Bulldog Rory Lobb and West Coast's Reuben Ginbey (44) the next most conceded. Steven May (43), Luke Ryan (42) and Callum Wilkie (42) were after that on the list, with Ryan the only player from a finalist side in the top list of the reverse Coleman.

But what about the 'reverse reverse Coleman?' The players who conceded the fewest goals… We put a minimum 20 games played to get the best measure of the stingiest defenders, with the results showing the half-backs to lead the way.

Champion Data's referencing includes all players whose primary position for the year was as a defender, meaning those who played some midfield time are included. Under that model, the players with the fewest goals conceded (with a minimum of 20 games played), were Port skipper Connor Rozee and Fremantle backman Bailey Banfield with nine each

yes he takes the best forward, but even being on this list shows he has had a decline, at 33yo surely that only worsens next year

Would it not be easier to call it the Omac?

On 28/08/2025 at 20:27, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Despite May getting roundly criticised for his two performances against Hawthorn and Collingwood he actually got coaches votes in one of those games, would you believe?

What would the coaches know. Every week the internet is full of anonomous experts who pick holes in their every move and every season 17 out of 18 coaches fail to win the premiership. I reckon demonland would do a better job.

4 minutes ago, chookrat said:

What would the coaches know. Every week the internet is full of anonomous experts who pick holes in their every move and every season 17 out of 18 coaches fail to win the premiership. I reckon demonland would do a better job.

On 28/08/2025 at 14:19, binman said:

#Goodwin myths

Facts contradicting the narrative Goody was 'stubborn and never seemed to want to change up the team despite excellent VFL form':

• Round 1 dees had 5 players making their debut, including two players we drafted explicitly because of their excellent VFL form - AJ and Henderson

• Jefferson was selected in round one, unfortunately injured and when he finally put together somewhere close to a decent block of games in the VFL was given another shot at cementing his spot in the seniors and did not take it - that cycle was repeated later in the season

• Howes was selected in the ones after a decent block of games at Casey

• Culley basically played as mid at Casey, and whilst ok was never banging the doors down - Goody moved him the wing at Casey and as soon as he put a couple of better than average games together put him on the wing in the seniors (great development)

• The reality is no other player played well enough, long enough at Casey to demand a spot in the seniors

• That includes Adams who has been average at best all season at Casey and was only selected because May was out

• Further to the above point the only players who showed sustained 'excellent VFL form' is Billings (probably Caseys' best, most consistent player this season) and Laurie - and it seems both have had their cards stamped

• Goody dropped Tmac

• Goody dropped Fritter

• Goody dropped Lever

• Goody dropped JVR

• Goody dropped Kolt

• Goody dropped Windsor

• Goody dropped Langford

• Not selecting Adams, Kentfield or Jefferson in the last 3 weeks can hardly be blamed on Goody - he was no longer coach

  On the decision not to select Adams, Kentfield or Jefferson in the last 3 weeks i see the logic of not doing so as them playing at Casey increased our chances of Casey making finals, which i think is really important, and is great for their development.

  That said i would have preferred they 'managed' May and kept Adams in the team as May look cooked.

I didn't know that Adams had been average most of the year at Casey Binman, that's fair enough.

However with a lot of dead rubber games to finish the year it just seemed like it could have been good to get some games into him. He may have only got his chance because May was out but at what point do we see what we've got in a guy? I want to ask you this respectfully, why would we prioritise Casey playing finals over getting senior game time into these talls, some who have been on the list 3 seasons now? There really was nothing to play for in the second half of the season but it could have been something to hang the hat on if we at least saw them in action more?

If the consensus is that Adams wasn't good enough to come in then there are more concerns about our list and defender talent stocks than I thought..

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I didn't know that Adams had been average most of the year at Casey Binman, that's fair enough.

However with a lot of dead rubber games to finish the year it just seemed like it could have been good to get some games into him. He may have only got his chance because May was out but at what point do we see what we've got in a guy? I want to ask you this respectfully, why would we prioritise Casey playing finals over getting senior game time into these talls, some who have been on the list 3 seasons now? There really was nothing to play for in the second half of the season but it could have been something to hang the hat on if we at least saw them in action more?

If the consensus is that Adams wasn't good enough to come in then there are more concerns about our list and defender talent stocks than I thought..

I think there are a number of reasons why we would we choose to play say Adams at Casey rather than selecting him in the seniors in the last couple of games.

Number one is his development.

There are legitimate arguments to say that playing a critical role in a team pushing for finals Is better for his development than playing in the ones and potentially getting pansted by say Gunston, Elliot or Mihocek the way Howes was on Gunston.

The club applied the same logic to JVR by not selecting him in the last few games of 2022, even though we needed a forward. JVR subsequently said he thought ii was good for his development.

A related point is AFL footy is well past needing to give a player a senior game late in the season, particularly one that (I think) is contracted for the following season, to get a look at them. Ditto for getting games into players for the sake of it

I suspect they have a very good sense of Adam's strength, weaknesses and ceiling.

And If, going forward, they legitimately see Adams as an important part of our defence then playing a couple of senior games is neither here no there.

Another factor is Casey making finals is important. We had to win our last two games just to make finals and I'd argue Adams playing was a factor in us doing so.

And finally, whilst I'm OK when finals are out of the question to put players in for surgeries etc, personally I think they should otherwise pick the very best team that can be put on the park to maximise the chances of winning. Every game is important. Winning is important.

Selecting players who otherwise would normally not be selected sends the wmg message and doesn't support developing a winning culture.

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On 27/08/2025 at 08:22, Redleg said:

Max would be a good get for us, our first choice key forward, but it is very unlikely.

They do have Cadman, Hogan, Brown and Riccardi. I think there might be another kid there as well.

I hope he is on our radar and we at least try. He is contracted to 2026, so this would be the year to do a deal if possible.

I know his dad and in his draft year he was excited about the possibility of us drafting Max. Unfortunately it didn’t happen.

Pretty hard to select him when BWS have a war chest of picks every friggen year.

8 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Pretty hard to select him when BWS have a war chest of picks every friggen year.

Hopefully he agrees and wants to get out of there, to go back home to his family and into a red and blue jumper.