Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

4 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

No Rivers?

We are not getting Allen - he’s off to the bears

Puddy tatts won’t give up a first rounder for Oliver

Bonner is a good vfl player, but can’t see him coming back onto an afl list at rising 29 years of age

Edited July 20Jul 20 by whatwhat say what

On 16/06/2025 at 08:55, demoncat said:

The outcome of the club’s off season review was that we have a list capable of playing finals and that all their efforts would be towards realising this outcome

Well this will now be back to back years not playing finals, so by our own assessment we’ve failed to realise the potential of our list

I don’t blame the club for thinking this way - it’s clear our best footy matches it with the best in the comp

But we continually seem to make the same mistakes week after week and I just don’t know how that changes without significant change to either our coaching or playing list

I don’t want to be the new St Kilda - stuck in no man’s land year after year - so the club needs to use this opportunity to reevaluate where this list is at and make changes accordingly

I’m not going to name names, but will point out that at the end of 2020, Collingwood traded Treloar and Stephens

Then at the end of 2022 they traded Grundy

They were torched for it at the time - two of those players were A grade fan favourites - but look what it enabled them to do in subsequent years

If the club genuinely believes that we can get back to finals with the improvement of this current list, well, good luck to them, but if not someone needs to start making the kind of tough decisions we’ve been avoiding for years now

And after the past few weeks, I know which way I’d be leaning…

Collingwood only made these trades because they busted the salary cap. They did not make the decision based on footy, so your argument is completely flawed.

Edited July 20Jul 20 by Demons11

The major issue is our list was built for brutality around the ball and now the game has shifted we are transitioning this list. A list change doesn’t happen overnight

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Collingwood only made these trades because they busted the salary cap. They did not make the decision based on footy, so your argument is completely flawed.

That’s true, but the argument still stands when making those trades subsequently allowed them to trade in the likes of Hill, Mitchell and McStay (all of whom were an integral part of their 23 flag)

Regardless of the reason for the trades, it opened up opportunities for the Pies to bolster their list and address their needs

Besides, ard we really in that different of a situation when we have two players on 1 million plus who aren’t performing anywhere near their contract value?

Edited July 20Jul 20 by demoncat

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

Is this based on what you would do, or what you expect will happen? A mix of both?

A few 'interesting' outs, IMO.

2 hours ago, demoncat said:

That’s true, but the argument still stands when making those trades subsequently allowed them to trade in the likes of Hill, Mitchell and McStay (all of whom were an integral part of their 23 flag)

Regardless of the reason for the trades, it opened up opportunities for the Pies to bolster their list and address their needs

Besides, ard we really in that different of a situation when we have two players on 1 million plus who aren’t performing anywhere near their contract value?

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

Edited July 21Jul 21 by Demons11

18 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

4 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

Is this based on what you would do, or what you expect will happen? A mix of both?

A few 'interesting' outs, IMO.

A bit of both. Still holding out on a first rounder for Clarry if we can't get a first rounder then keep. I hoping money talks with Allen and we can splash a bit of cash. I forgot Rivers he's in the best 23

Senior list

May, van Rooyen, Salem, McVee, Petracca, Windsor, Viney, Lever, Turner, Gawn, Tholstrup, Langdon, Laurie, Bowey, Melksham, Langford, Lindsay, Jefferson, Howes, McAdam, Rivers, Adams, Campbell, Sharp, Fritsch, Sparrow, Petty, Pickett, Chandler, Johnson, Derksen, Allen, White, Sinnema, Geelong first rounder\Oliver, Hardie

Rookie list

Verrall, Sestan, Mentha (b), Henderson, Kentfield, Moniz-Wakefield, Culley, Berry (b)

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Fritsch, Johnson, Langford

F: Melksham, Allen, Petty

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Rivers, Lindsay, Oliver\first round pick, Chandler

SUB: Sparrow

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB: Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Howes

C: Sinemma, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Tholstrup, van Rooyen, Henderson

F: McAdam, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Hardie, Culley

IC: Verrall, White, Mentha

On 24/06/2025 at 15:21, Greg Schneider said:

What about last year when Tim Lamb was going to trade out the picks that nabbed us Langford and Lindsay for a 28 year old Dan Houston who would’ve helped us get from 14th to 12th and Alan Richardson went ‘we need to get older not younger’ then oh wait never mind we need to go to the draft let’s rebuild talk about a pair of gooses that don’t know where we are. 0 faith.

And how many nuffs on here were on board with it! My god.

7 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Going to do a rolling list management.

IN: Derksen, White, Sinnema, Allen, Bonner, Hardie, Geelong first rounder, Walsh, Berry

OUT: Spargo, Oliver, Billings, McDonald, Hore, Fullerton, Woewodin, Brown.

Seniors

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Salem, Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Johnson, Langford

F: Fritsch, Allen, Melksham

FOLL: Gawn, Viney, Pickett

IC: Petty, Sparrow, Lindsay, Geelong first rounder

SUB: Howes

Casey

B: Berry, Adams, Sestan

HB; Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Bonner

C: Sinnema, Laurie, Sharp

HF: Henderson, van Rooyen, Tholstrup

F: Mentha, Kentfield, Jefferson

FOLL: Campbell, Culley, Hardie

IC: Verrall, White, Walsh

Can you add some first names, few with the same names.

Is this also a bit of trade rumour?

2 hours ago, demoncat said:

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

I get what your saying DC, but Trac, Clarry and there contracts are not the reason we can attract talent. And trading out our guns (all be it they are underperforming) doesn't help us at all if we don't get any value back for them. Its not like we would get top 10 picks to replace them. Is a pick in the mid 20's (in a below average draft) going to replace even a diminished Clayton Oliver. Highly doubtful.

People keep banging on about "clearing space in the cap" but to them I ask......for Who?

Know one of high caliber wants to come to us. And to be fair I don't blame them. We are Cleary on the decline and the club is a mess (at least that's the outsiders perception). I would argue trading out our best players makes it even harder to attract talent.

If we are going to trade in players to get us out of this whole its going to be fringe role players like Hibberd and Langdon types that would should be chasing. And players like that don't break the bank.

I personally just feel the upside of Trac and Clarry getting back to even 80% of there best is worth way more to us then a few late picks.

27 minutes ago, Brenno said:

I get what your saying DC, but Trac, Clarry and there contracts are not the reason we can attract talent. And trading out our guns (all be it they are underperforming) doesn't help us at all if we don't get any value back for them. Its not like we would get top 10 picks to replace them. Is a pick in the mid 20's (in a below average draft) going to replace even a diminished Clayton Oliver. Highly doubtful.

People keep banging on about "clearing space in the cap" but to them I ask......for Who?

Know one of high caliber wants to come to us. And to be fair I don't blame them. We are Cleary on the decline and the club is a mess (at least that's the outsiders perception). I would argue trading out our best players makes it even harder to attract talent.

If we are going to trade in players to get us out of this whole its going to be fringe role players like Hibberd and Langdon types that would should be chasing. And players like that don't break the bank.

I personally just feel the upside of Trac and Clarry getting back to even 80% of there best is worth way more to us then a few late picks.

That’s a good perspective Brenno and one I largely agree with

I just think it’s part of the cost benefit analysis you do when assessing your list

Sure we won’t bring in two draft picks or players whose best is comparable to Trac and Clarry (when they’re fit and firing), but can we bring in multiple players who in the sum of their parts make us a better team?

The answer might be no and as much as we want change it’s better to retain our most of our senior players - I just hope the club is open to these conversations more than anything

It would also depend on what we are prepared to give up or pay for.

IE, if we traded Oliver to Geelong, how much of his salary are we still going to have to pay? The more we pay, maybe the higher the pick we get. But then the math of it makes it a little pointless.

If we are paying 500k of his reported 1 million a year, they we get another player in on 5-600k, then i dont see the why you would do that. Sure, we may have a high draft pick, but in this draft its going to be about 40 buy the time all the academy and father son picks are done.

Is that some one, either the drafted player or mature age traded in player going to be better the Oliver at his current output?????? Id highly doubt it.

Just now, Demons11 said:

I get your point but the difference being we are not over the cap like Collingwood were and million dollar players will be the norm. As long as they not increasing with the cba then the contracts won’t be an issue.

7 hours ago, demoncat said:

Million dollar contracts aren’t an issue in of themselves but they are if they’re taking up cap space with players who aren’t performing / they limit the club bringing in additional players (and to be fair I’m only assuming that the latter might be the case)

We might have to agree to disagree but I think given the state of our list critically assessing player’s contracts and doing cost benefit analysis is reasonable, because at the moment we’ve got a lot of money tied up in players who aren’t currently justifying their price tags

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our list manager needs to be sacked i reckon. he's botched it completely

9 hours ago, SadDee said:

Can you add some first names, few with the same names.

Is this also a bit of trade rumour?

The only trade rumour I know is that Geelong are still interested in Oliver.

1. Stephen May

2. Jacob van Rooyen

3. Christian Salem

4. Judd McVee

5. Christian Petracca

6. Caleb Windsor

7. Jack Viney

8. Jake Lever

9. Oscar Allen\Joe Daniher

10. Daniel Turner

11. Max Gawn

12. Koltyn Tholstrup

13. Clayton Oliver\ Geelong's first rounder

14. Toby Sinnema

15. Ed Langdon

16. Bailey Laurie

17. Jake Bowey

18. Jake Melksham

19. Harvey Langford

20. Xavier Lindsay

21. Matthew Jefferson

22. Blake Howes

23. Shane McAdam

24. Trent Rivers

25. Wade Derken

26. Jed Adams

27. Mitch Hardie

28. Will Verrall

29. Tom Campbell

30. Harry Sharp

31. Bailey Fritsch

32. Tom Sparrow

33. Oscar Berry

34. Kalani White

35. Harrison Petty

36. Kysaiah Pickett

37. Kade Chandler

38. Ollie Sestan

39. Ricky Mentha

40. Vacant

41. Vacant

42. Aidan Johnson

43. Jack Henderson

44. Luker Kentfield

45. Andy Moniz-Wakefield

46. Jai Culley

Edited July 21Jul 21 by WERRIDEE

I for one feel that the list is potentially in a much better place than it might seem. Though we're going to need some luck with injuries.

If we need to find improvement from within, then it needs to come from the younger players, as they're the ones with the most unrealised potential. But many have been set back by injury: from players like McVee (only just now getting going?), Windsor (same?) to players like Kolt, Linsday, Kentfield who were never going to be overcome injuries pre/early season. Then you add AMW who was tracking well at the back end of 2024, and even Lever who should be at peak performance but whose season (and career?) is shot with foot injuries and whatnot.

Similar for Harry Petty (only 25), who hasn't been himself for a couple of seasons now with one thing after the other, but was a really strong key defender for us prior to that. And have we even begun to see what Aidan Johnson can bring? His performance in the VFL last weekend is a one-off for the moment, but he's another who could perhaps step up and really fill a forward/backup ruck void. Slightly similar story for Seston, was also tracking well until injury has pretty ruled out his year.

Not all the above will make it, or at least make it enough to make a difference, but there's enough there to be optimistic about without wringing our hands about not being able to bring in talent. Perhaps that's the case, but there's plenty of unrealised potential on the list as well.

Edited July 21Jul 21 by bing181

On 24/06/2025 at 15:21, Greg Schneider said:

What about last year when Tim Lamb was going to trade out the picks that nabbed us Langford and Lindsay for a 28 year old Dan Houston who would’ve helped us get from 14th to 12th and Alan Richardson went ‘we need to get older not younger’ then oh wait never mind we need to go to the draft let’s rebuild talk about a pair of gooses that don’t know where we are. 0 faith.

Lamb was never going to do this deal. Thats why we pulled out and Houston went elsewhere. It was only ever going to be a teen pick but we dropped down the ladder as the season went on and we said no.

11 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Lamb was never going to do this deal. Thats why we pulled out and Houston went elsewhere. It was only ever going to be a teen pick but we dropped down the ladder as the season went on and we said no.

Can't believe there's still fans out there that think we were the ones that pulled out of the Houston deal. HE pulled out of it because we were looking like a complete basket case, that's a fact. I have no doubt that Lamb would've offloaded one if not two first rounders for him, it's what history suggests and how he rolls, he just wants to get the deal done.

4 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Can't believe there's still fans out there that think we were the ones that pulled out of the Houston deal. HE pulled out of it because we were looking like a complete basket case, that's a fact. I have no doubt that Lamb would've offloaded one if not two first rounders for him, it's what history suggests and how he rolls, he just wants to get the deal done.

You have your facts I have mine. Melb was never going to use pick 5 on Houston so deal was off.

3 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

You have your facts I have mine. Melb was never going to use pick 5 on Houston so deal was off.

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne De...

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne Demons trade after reports...

Straight from the horse’s mouth, but your ‘facts’ are that WE were the ones that pulled out? 😂

10 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne De...

Dan Houston avoided Melbourne Demons trade after reports...

Straight from the horse’s mouth, but your ‘facts’ are that WE were the ones that pulled out? 😂

afl.com.au

'I am not leaving': Power star shuts down trade rumours

Star defender Dan Houston says he's rejecting offers from rival clubs and is staying at Port Adelaide

Straight from the horses mouth. Fact is never believe anything a player says in regard to trades and you've fell for it hard.

Edited July 22Jul 22 by BangBnagBang

4 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

afl.com.au

'I am not leaving': Power star shuts down trade rumours

Star defender Dan Houston says he's rejecting offers from rival clubs and is staying at Port Adelaide

Straight from the horses mouth. Fact is never believe anything a player says in regard to trades and you've fell for it hard.

Jeez the red and blue goggles are strong with this one. Pathetic actually.

I just realised something amazing. Did you know Dustin Fletcher is only 50!

As May gets to the end and with Lever looking a little shaky, I reckon we should be giving him a phone call.

Not sure if he'd be interested, but we'd be crazy not to ask.

Also, Rhyce Conca. THIRTY-TWO! That's the new 23 for the AFL. Already at the club and you know he's fit as a fiddle.

Make the call, Timmy Lamb. Actually, make it a conference call. Fletcher, Daniher, Conca and, [censored] it, see what Ryan Gamble is up to.