27 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

I’m not telling you you were wrong I’m saying you’re hindsighting it now

No, have said since 22 on this site and every year after that you could see the change and what sides are trying to do and how we were going about it.

2 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

No, have said since 22 on this site and every year after that you could see the change and what sides are trying to do and how we were going about it.

I agree. Changes should have been instigated after the ‘23 Season

During ’22 whilst we were still winning I was telling my Neighbour that we couldn’t score, he was laughing it off, but watching each week was a grind, that has only got worse sadly…

11 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

No, have said since 22 on this site and every year after that you could see the change and what sides are trying to do and how we were going about it.

Well you were wrong in 2022 and 2023 but you’re probably right now

7 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Well you were wrong in 2022 and 2023 but you’re probably right now

Losing in Consecutive September’s was a sure sign that things needed to change

The fact that the Club kept powering on, is being shown up now

As soon as Clarry went off the rails, changes should have been made.

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Losing in Consecutive September’s was a sure sign that things needed to change

The fact that the Club kept powering on, is being shown up now

As soon as Clarry went off the rails, changes should have been made.

We kicked 9.17 against the blues in 2023 and lost by 2 points. We should’ve won by 5 goals but the players let themselves down. You don’t throw the toys out of the cot and start again after that, you do goalkicking practice.

Just now, Fromgotowoewodin said:

We kicked 9.17 against the blues in 2023 and lost by 2 points. We should’ve won by 5 goals but the players let themselves down. You don’t throw the toys out of the cot and start again after that, you do goalkicking practice.

We had been kicking scores of that nature, long before that Final, and we have continued to do so

The problem has been left alone for way too long

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We had been kicking scores of that nature, long before that Final, and we have continued to do so

The problem has been left alone for way too long

No one has ever yet made it clear to me why or how changing the game plan and the coach is going to make the players kick better. Unless the plan is to turn over the whole list it just seems like people are going on vibes

3 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

No one has ever yet made it clear to me why or how changing the game plan and the coach is going to make the players kick better. Unless the plan is to turn over the whole list it just seems like people are going on vibes

It’s a tough one to answer.

But i don’t think the players are being trained hard enough, so that they want to be absolutely elite. It’s only 1% off, but that’s enough in this Competition

When Burgess was in charge the whole list just went flat out, since he left we have lost that edge, by a small margin.

1 hour ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

No one has ever yet made it clear to me why or how changing the game plan and the coach is going to make the players kick better. Unless the plan is to turn over the whole list it just seems like people are going on vibes

Vexed at best I concede.

My take...

Different Coach , different approach , different directions. Funny you mention vibe as that can be a thing . I.e It becomes part if the framework of the thinking of all. "This is how we train, this is what's expected, this is how we play"

Anyone who's played team sports can understand the difference in buzz between clubs.

So with a change of Coaching/Mentoring can come different outcomes.

I really don't think our forward patterns are much if they even exist.

The list does need augmenting as well.

8 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

No one has ever yet made it clear to me why or how changing the game plan and the coach is going to make the players kick better. Unless the plan is to turn over the whole list it just seems like people are going on vibes

3 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Well you were wrong in 2022 and 2023 but you’re probably right now

Did we win the flags in those years did we must have missed them.

3 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

No one has ever yet made it clear to me why or how changing the game plan and the coach is going to make the players kick better. Unless the plan is to turn over the whole list it just seems like people are going on vibes

Then you are looking at the game only as a supporter of the club only and not looking in general to see how other clubs play the game but I ask when you are watching the game what do you watch for?

3 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

We kicked 9.17 against the blues in 2023 and lost by 2 points. We should’ve won by 5 goals but the players let themselves down. You don’t throw the toys out of the cot and start again after that, you do goalkicking practice.

The Blues game was the most undisciplined game we'd played in years. we had them on toast but the damage was done losing to Collingwood. 23 will always hurt.

49 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Then you are looking at the game only as a supporter of the club only and not looking in general to see how other clubs play the game but I ask when you are watching the game what do you watch for?

Rightio guru

5 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Rightio guru

So you can't answer the question then that's ok thought it was a simple one apparently not.

1 hour ago, demon3165 said:

Then you are looking at the game only as a supporter of the club only and not looking in general to see how other clubs play the game but I ask when you are watching the game what do you watch for?

I could ask the same of you in 23

4 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

We kicked 9.17 against the blues in 2023 and lost by 2 points. We should’ve won by 5 goals but the players let themselves down. You don’t throw the toys out of the cot and start again after that, you do goalkicking practice.

still hasn't happened to this day...

10 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

So you can't answer the question then that's ok thought it was a simple one apparently not.

just not interested in wasting my time

Edited May 16May 16 by Fromgotowoewodin

13 hours ago, picket fence said:

With another possible 3 gives us 6 for the season. Basket case stuff! Need a fresh approach starting with coach and ancilleries!

Wrong thread, PF.

Maybe you could start a new thread called something like We Are Sooooo Dead

27 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

just not interested in wasting my time

Says all I need to know....

38 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I could ask the same of you in 23

39 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I could ask the same of you in 23

What about 23?

I will never get over the Carlton semi final. Absolutely the one that got away, although we wouldn’t have beaten Brisbane in the prelim, particularly with no Kozzie, Melksham, Petty or Brayshaw.

The Collingwood final was absolutely the one that did NOT get away. They lead for 100% of the game, and essentially lead by 4-5 goals throughout the third quarter. Just because we outscored them in the last quarter doesn’t make it one the got away IMO. They were the better team on the night.

I wonder how we would’ve gone in a parallel universe had we finished third and played Brisbane at the GABBA in week 1 and potentially GWS at the G in week 2 rather than the 65,000 rabid Carlton and Collingwood supporters that we had to endure.

Edited May 16May 16 by Bring-Back-Powell

26 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I will never get over the Carlton semi final. Absolutely the one that got away, although we wouldn’t have beaten Brisbane in the prelim, particularly with no Kozzie, Melksham, Petty or Brayshaw.

The Collingwood final was absolutely the one that did NOT get away. They lead for 100% of the game, and essentially lead by 4-5 goals throughout the third quarter. Just because we outscored them in the last quarter doesn’t make it one the got away IMO. They were the better team on the night.

I wonder how we would’ve gone in a parallel universe had we finished third and played Brisbane at the GABBA in week 1 and potentially GWS at the G in week 2 rather than the 65,000 rabid Carlton and Collingwood supporters that we had to endure.

Viney's kick. I still see it in my nightmares

2 hours ago, BDA said:

Viney's kick. I still see it in my nightmares

Marchbank’s hand not touching the ball is what I still see in my nightmares.

WELL WELL WELL

Lazarus Rising...