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16 hours ago, jnrmac said:
  • v GC 85pts

  • v Crows 77

  • v NM 119

  • v Blues 70

  • v StK 90

  • v WCE 139

  • v Dogs 99

Your stat is padded by the smackings we gave North and West Coast.

If this is referring to me, you’re helping me out. We’ve quietly enough put 85 on GC, 90 on St Kilda (who love to stifle their opponent) and 99 on the Dogs (bad defence but a much better side than us overall). Plus everyone gets to play the bad sides (and whilst we got North twice, we got smacked by them the first time).

My point really is that I doubt many on here would think of our 2025 as being high scoring to the point of being 10th overall.

 
  • Author
12 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If this is referring to me, you’re helping me out. We’ve quietly enough put 85 on GC, 90 on St Kilda (who love to stifle their opponent) and 99 on the Dogs (bad defence but a much better side than us overall). Plus everyone gets to play the bad sides (and whilst we got North twice, we got smacked by them the first time).

My point really is that I doubt many on here would think of our 2025 as being high scoring to the point of being 10th overall.

I think jnr was responding to my post that we have averaged 92 points in our 7 games since the bye

But your point remains valid, everyone gets to play the bottom sides. And besides our high scores in the game against the roos and Eagles was a function of our method and being attacking.

Is also note that that strech of games included our game against the blues which was played in wet and windy conditions.

I5s interesting that we are 10th for total scores but are also 18th for accuracy.

That inaccuracy could well have been the final nail in Goody's coffin.

On 10/08/2025 at 21:10, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Western Bulldogs (Round 22, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252206

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat

For

Against

Diff

AFL

Disposal Efficiency

Disposal Efficiency

73.9

75.3

-1.3

72.4

Kicking Efficiency

66.5

68.4

-1.9

65.9

Territory/Attack

Time In Forward Half

44.6

55.4

-10.8

Inside 50s

47

62

-15

Shots At Goal

25

31

-6

Scores Per Inside 50

51.1

48.4

+2.7

44.6

Goals Per Inside 50

31.9

24.2

+7.7

23.7

Marks Inside 50

10

14

-4

Transition

Chain To Score %

23.3

27.3

-4.0

20.7

Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %

26.5

36.7

-10.1

22.8

Defensive 50 To Score %

10.2

20.0

-9.8

9.6

Defensive Half To Forward 50 %

32.0

46.7

-14.7

31.0

Defensive Half To Score %

14.7

23.3

-8.7

12.8

Contest

Contested Possessions

139

137

+2

Ground Ball Gets

86

98

-12

Post Clearance Contested Poss

88

84

+4

Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets

61

58

+3

Contested Marks

12

11

+1

Clearance

Total Clearances

31

46

-15

Centre Clearances

10

19

-9

Stoppage Clearances

21

27

-6

First Possessions

44

42

+2

First Possession To Clearance %

63.6

85.7

-22.1

74.8

Defense

Intercepts

59

58

+1

Intercept Marks

16

14

+2

Tackles

50

49

+1

Tackles Inside 50

10

13

-3

Def One On One Loss %

21.4

37.5

-16.1

27.2

Ruck

Hitouts

52

30

+22

Hitouts To Advantage

15

8

+7

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

  • Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

  • Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

  • Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

  • Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

  • Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Player Ratings

Q1

Q2

Q3

Q4

Match

TOG

Max Gawn

6.8

4.5

8.3

3.7

23.2

87%

Harrison Petty

2.9

4.9

4.8

6.1

18.6

78%

Jai Culley

7.0

1.4

1.9

3.5

13.8

73%

Harvey Langford

1.8

2.1

4.3

5.2

13.4

79%

Daniel Turner

5.9

1.4

0.7

3.9

12.0

88%

Jake Bowey

2.4

3.0

2.5

3.9

11.9

81%

Jake Melksham

5.1

0.6

6.6

−0.6

11.7

77%

Tom McDonald

3.4

2.5

3.3

2.4

11.6

95%

Kysaiah Pickett

2.4

4.9

2.8

0.5

10.6

86%

Christian Salem

2.8

1.1

1.7

4.6

10.3

87%

Judd McVee

1.7

2.8

3.9

1.6

9.9

75%

Jack Viney

0.2

0.2

5.7

3.5

9.6

82%

Clayton Oliver

0.3

3.5

2.2

3.7

9.6

81%

Trent Rivers

3.4

3.6

1.3

0.7

9.0

85%

Bayley Fritsch

2.9

0.7

4.5

0.7

8.8

83%

Christian Petracca

3.2

1.1

4.2

0.1

8.6

83%

Jed Adams

0.8

1.6

3.3

0.9

6.6

86%

Kade Chandler

0.2

0.9

5.2

−0.7

5.6

90%

Blake Howes

0.0

0.0

0.0

5.2

5.2

24%

Jacob van Rooyen

2.4

1.5

0.6

0.4

4.9

66%

Caleb Windsor

1.5

0.6

3.2

−0.3

4.9

70%

Tom Sparrow

0.5

1.9

1.3

0.0

3.8

54%

Ed Langdon

−0.4

−0.8

0.0

3.4

2.2

89%

Contested Possessions

For

Against

Diff

Melbourne's Defensive 50

Hard Ball Get

2

7

-5

Loose Ball Get

19

22

-3

Contested Mark

2

1

+1

Gather From Hitout

3

1

+2

Contested Knock On

0

1

-1

Free For

3

1

+2

Total

29

33

-4

Melbourne's Forward 50

Hard Ball Get

1

1

0

Loose Ball Get

9

9

0

Contested Mark

4

1

+3

Ruck Hard Ball Get

2

0

+2

Gather From Hitout

2

2

0

Contested Knock On

3

2

+1

Free For

2

1

+1

Total

23

16

+7

Post clearance

Hard Ball Get

10

15

-5

Loose Ball Get

51

43

+8

Contested Mark

12

11

+1

Contested Knock On

6

5

+1

Free For

9

10

-1

Total

88

84

+4

Pre clearance

Hard Ball Get

9

11

-2

Loose Ball Get

16

29

-13

Ruck Hard Ball Get

7

0

+7

Gather From Hitout

14

6

+8

Contested Knock On

2

2

0

Free For

3

5

-2

Total

51

53

-2

  • Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

  • Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

  • 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

xScore

Score

xWin %

xMargin

Margin

Swing

Melbourne

93.6

99

26%

+5.7

Western Bulldogs

105.3

105

74%

+11.7

+6

Shots

Score

Accuracy

xScore

+/-

xSc. /
Shot

Shot
Rating

Overall

Melbourne

25

15.8 98

60.0%

93.6

+4.4

3.74

+0.18

Western Bulldogs

31

15.12 102

48.4%

103.3

−1.3

3.33

−0.04

General Play

Melbourne

13

6.5 41

46.2%

50.9

−9.9

3.92

−0.77

Western Bulldogs

16

7.7 49

43.8%

56.0

−7.0

3.50

−0.44

Set Position

Melbourne

12

9.3 57

75.0%

42.6

+14.4

3.55

+1.20

Western Bulldogs

15

8.5 53

53.3%

47.3

+5.7

3.15

+0.38

  • xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

  • Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

  • xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

  • +/-: total score above or below expected score.

  • xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

  • Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Territory (time in zones)

Region

Q1

Q2

Q3

Q4

Match

Season

Half

Forward

41%

42%

50%

45%

45%

52%

Defensive

59%

58%

50%

55%

55%

48%

Region

Forward 50

19%

18%

23%

13%

18%

25%

Attacking Midfield

22%

24%

27%

32%

26%

27%

Defensive Midfield

24%

29%

25%

29%

27%

25%

Defensive 50

35%

28%

24%

26%

28%

23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source

Score

Against

Diff

Kick-in

2.1 13

1.1 7

+6

Centre Bounce

1.2 8

3.1 19

-11

Stoppage (Other)

3.1 19

1.6 12

+7

Turnover

9.5 59

10.7 67

-8

Score Source

For

Against

Match

Season

Match

Season *

Kick-in

13

4.7

7

5.1

Centre Bounce

8

12.5

19

14.4

Stoppage (Other)

19

20.7

12

20.7

Turnover

59

46.4

67

48.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region

For

Against

Match

Season

Match

Season *

Defensive 50

25

13.2

26

17.8

Defensive midfield

26

16.3

23

20.2

Centre bounce

8

12.5

19

14.4

Attacking midfield

27

25.4

20

24.8

Forward 50

13

17.0

17

11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Points from defensive half

For

Against

Match

Season

Match

Season *

51

29.5

49

38.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Centre Bounce Attendances

CBAs

CBA %

2025 %

2024 %

Clayton Oliver

30

88%

72.1%

70.7%

Max Gawn

28

82%

85.5%

85.0%

Jack Viney

24

71%

67.2%

69.1%

Caleb Windsor

22

65%

12.1%

0.0%

Kysaiah Pickett

14

41%

71.9%

33.0%

Christian Petracca

10

29%

67.7%

55.8%

Jacob van Rooyen

6

18%

13.4%

17.8%

Christian Salem

2

6%

1.7%

12.3%

Trent Rivers

0

0%

17.6%

29.9%

Harvey Langford

0

0%

10.4%

Tom Sparrow

0

0%

6.6%

37.7%

Ed Langdon

0

0%

3.3%

0.7%

Kade Chandler

0

0%

1.2%

0.0%

Judd McVee

0

0%

0.5%

6.3%

Harrison Petty

0

0%

0.4%

7.5%

Daniel Turner

0

0%

0.2%

0.3%

Jake Melksham

0

0%

0.2%

0.0%

Jai Culley

0

0%

0.0%

30.9%

Tom Fullarton

17.2%

Aidan Johnson

13.9%

Matthew Jefferson

1.0%

Xavier Lindsay

0.4%

Bailey Laurie

0.0%

11.0%

Charlie Spargo

0.0%

4.2%

Koltyn Tholstrup

0.0%

5.7%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

Ruck
Contests

RC %

2025 %

2024 %

Max Gawn

75

75%

82.1%

81.1%

Jacob van Rooyen

16

16%

14.7%

17.6%

Harrison Petty

9

9%

2.4%

7.9%

Daniel Turner

0

0%

0.3%

3.1%

Clayton Oliver

0

0%

0.1%

0.0%

Tom Fullarton

20.5%

Aidan Johnson

15.6%

Matthew Jefferson

1.1%

Hitouts

Ruck
Contests

Hitouts

To
Adv.

To Adv. %
(2025)

To Adv. %
(2024)

Melbourne

Max Gawn

75

42

12

27.3%

27.9%

Jacob van Rooyen

16

6

2

32.8%

24.7%

Harrison Petty

9

4

1

26.6%

24.4%

Daniel Turner

0

0

0

50.4%

Tom Fullarton

43.8%

Aidan Johnson

21.1%

Matthew Jefferson

0.0%

Opposition

Tim English

73

23

6

Sam Darcy

11

4

2

Aaron Naughton

1

1

0

James O'Donnell

1

1

0

Rory Lobb

13

1

0

There it is, in all its glory.

59 points from turnover, 51 points from chains starting in defensive half.

These would have to be season highs Wheelo?

 
2 hours ago, layzie said:

There it is, in all its glory.

59 points from turnover, 51 points from chains starting in defensive half.

These would have to be season highs Wheelo?

It's our equal highest points from defensive half after we also had 51 points against West Coast last week. It's our fifth highest points from turnover:

  • 12.10.82 v Syd, R11

  • 11.5.71 v WC, R21

  • 10.4.64 v NM, R18

  • 9.8.62 v Bris, R10

  • 9.5.59 v WB, R22

  • Author
40 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

It's our equal highest points from defensive half after we also had 51 points against West Coast last week. It's our fifth highest points from turnover:

  • 12.10.82 v Syd, R11

  • 11.5.71 v WC, R21

  • 10.4.64 v NM, R18

  • 9.8.62 v Bris, R10

  • 9.5.59 v WB, R22

The problem for us, as always is we gave up 67 points on turnover.

That's the game right there

(Funnily enough they scored 49 point from their defensive half, 2 points less than us. Taken together- ie scores from turnover and scores from defensive half - you get 6 points, which was the margin).


Geez the Dogs are good at clearance. I know we were terrible, but 85% of their first possessions resulting in a clearance is crazy good.

Edited by At the break of Gawn

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Season

Team Rating

% Change vs 2025

2021

67.23

-3.34

2022

69.48

-0.10

2023

69.86

0.45

Player

2025 Rating

2025 Rank

2024 Rating

% Change vs 2024

2024 Rank

Change in Rank vs 2024

Max Gawn

4.523

1

4.132

9.5

2

1

C Oliver

4.134

2

3.364

22.9

6

4

C Petracca

3.850

3

4.476

-14.0

1

-2

C Salem

3.746

4

3.421

9.5

4

0

J Bowey

3.721

5

2.755

35.1

13

8

S May

3.588

6

3.741

-4.1

3

-3

J Culley

3.500

7

-

-

-

-

K Pickett

3.476

8

2.433

42.9

16

8

T Rivers <

3.369

9

3.391

-0.6

5

-4

Ed Langdon

3.236

10

3.089

4.8

9

-1

Jack Viney

3.156

11

3.178

-0.7

7

-4

T McDonald

3.077

12

2.967

3.7

11

-1

K Chandler

2.961

13

2.223

33.2

22

9

H Langford >

2.837

14

-

-

-

-

D Turner <

2.784

15

1.393

99.9

32

17

J McVee

2.675

16

2.816

-5.0

12

-4

J Lever

2.672

17

3.103

-13.9

8

-9

B Howes <

2.613

18

2.341

11.6

20

2

X Lindsay < >

2.591

19

-

-

-

-

B Fritsch >

2.525

20

1.746

44.6

29

9

C Windsor > <

2.280

21

2.275

0.2

21

0

T Sparrow

2.236

22

2.517

-11.2

15

-7

J Melksham >

2.130

23

1.850

15.1

27

4

J Billings*

2.100

24

2.430

-13.6

17

-7

C Spargo (vs 2023 Rating) >

1.978

25

1.886

4.9

29

4

H Petty

1.906

26

1.701

12.1

30

4

J Adams*

1.900

27

-

-

-

-

J V Rooyen

1.889

28

2.026

-6.8

24

-4

H Sharp > <

1.848

29

-

-

-

-

J Henderson <

1.726

30

-

-

-

-

K Tholstrup < >

1.681

31

1.898

-11.4

26

-5

T Woewodin* >

1.600

32

2.052

-22.0

23

-9

A Johnson

1.416

33

-

-

-

-

M Jefferson <

1.056

34

-

-

-

-

T Fullarton

0.925

35

-

-

-

B Laurie* >

-0.200

36

2.425

-108.2

18

-18

Team Rating

69.55

 

65.17

6.7

 

 

Top 6

23.56

 

22.53

4.6

 

 

Bottom 6

14.92

 

14.04

6.2

 

 

* Played less than two full matches

< Subbed out at least once or more

> Subbed in at least once or more

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited by Demon Dynasty

17 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Season

Team Rating

% Change vs 2025

2021

67.23

-3.34

2022

69.48

-0.10

2023

69.86

0.45

Player

2025 Rating

2025 Rank

2024 Rating

% Change vs 2024

2024 Rank

Change in Rank vs 2024

Max Gawn

4.523

1

4.132

9.5

2

1

C Oliver

4.134

2

3.364

22.9

6

4

C Petracca

3.850

3

4.476

-14.0

1

-2

C Salem

3.746

4

3.421

9.5

4

0

J Bowey

3.721

5

2.755

35.1

13

8

S May

3.588

6

3.741

-4.1

3

-3

J Culley

3.500

7

-

-

-

-

K Pickett

3.476

8

2.433

42.9

16

8

T Rivers <

3.369

9

3.391

-0.6

5

-4

Ed Langdon

3.236

10

3.089

4.8

9

-1

Jack Viney

3.156

11

3.178

-0.7

7

-4

T McDonald

3.077

12

2.967

3.7

11

-1

K Chandler

2.961

13

2.223

33.2

22

9

H Langford >

2.837

14

-

-

-

-

D Turner <

2.784

15

1.393

99.9

32

17

J McVee

2.675

16

2.816

-5.0

12

-4

J Lever

2.672

17

3.103

-13.9

8

-9

B Howes <

2.613

18

2.341

11.6

20

2

X Lindsay < >

2.591

19

-

-

-

-

B Fritsch >

2.525

20

1.746

44.6

29

9

C Windsor > <

2.280

21

2.275

0.2

21

0

T Sparrow

2.236

22

2.517

-11.2

15

-7

J Melksham >

2.130

23

1.850

15.1

27

4

J Billings*

2.100

24

2.430

-13.6

17

-7

C Spargo (vs 2023 Rating) >

1.978

25

1.886

4.9

29

4

H Petty

1.906

26

1.701

12.1

30

4

J Adams*

1.900

27

-

-

-

-

J V Rooyen

1.889

28

2.026

-6.8

24

-4

H Sharp > <

1.848

29

-

-

-

-

J Henderson <

1.726

30

-

-

-

-

K Tholstrup < >

1.681

31

1.898

-11.4

26

-5

T Woewodin* >

1.600

32

2.052

-22.0

23

-9

A Johnson

1.416

33

-

-

-

-

M Jefferson <

1.056

34

-

-

-

-

T Fullarton

0.925

35

-

-

-

B Laurie* >

-0.200

36

2.425

-108.2

18

-18

Team Rating

69.55

 

65.17

6.7

 

 

Top 6

23.56

 

22.53

4.6

 

 

Bottom 6

14.92

 

14.04

6.2

 

 

* Played less than two full matches

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD some really good signs starting to emerge up from 2024 numbers, Max is still improving, Claz and Salo having better years, Tracc still below his best but better than I expected. Bowey Pickett, Chandler, Rivers, Disco, Langford, Lindsay all on the rise and what about Culley’s first two games.!!!

 
1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD some really good signs starting to emerge up from 2024 numbers, Max is still improving, Claz and Salo having better years, Tracc still below his best but better than I expected. Bowey Pickett, Chandler, Rivers, Disco, Langford, Lindsay all on the rise and what about Culley’s first two games.!!!

It's too early to go the crow DZ but yeh those first two matches from JC are a beauty.

We might have found one here but keeping a lid on it ... for now 😁

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