16 hours ago, jnrmac said:

• v GC 85pts

• v Crows 77

• v NM 119

• v Blues 70

• v StK 90

• v WCE 139

• v Dogs 99

Your stat is padded by the smackings we gave North and West Coast.

If this is referring to me, you’re helping me out. We’ve quietly enough put 85 on GC, 90 on St Kilda (who love to stifle their opponent) and 99 on the Dogs (bad defence but a much better side than us overall). Plus everyone gets to play the bad sides (and whilst we got North twice, we got smacked by them the first time).

My point really is that I doubt many on here would think of our 2025 as being high scoring to the point of being 10th overall.

12 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If this is referring to me, you’re helping me out. We’ve quietly enough put 85 on GC, 90 on St Kilda (who love to stifle their opponent) and 99 on the Dogs (bad defence but a much better side than us overall). Plus everyone gets to play the bad sides (and whilst we got North twice, we got smacked by them the first time).

My point really is that I doubt many on here would think of our 2025 as being high scoring to the point of being 10th overall.

I think jnr was responding to my post that we have averaged 92 points in our 7 games since the bye

But your point remains valid, everyone gets to play the bottom sides. And besides our high scores in the game against the roos and Eagles was a function of our method and being attacking.

Is also note that that strech of games included our game against the blues which was played in wet and windy conditions.

I5s interesting that we are 10th for total scores but are also 18th for accuracy.

That inaccuracy could well have been the final nail in Goody's coffin.

On 10/08/2025 at 21:10, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Western Bulldogs (Round 22, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252206

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff	AFL
Disposal Efficiency
Disposal Efficiency	73.9	75.3	-1.3	72.4
Kicking Efficiency	66.5	68.4	-1.9	65.9
Territory/Attack
Time In Forward Half	44.6	55.4	-10.8
Inside 50s	47	62	-15
Shots At Goal	25	31	-6
Scores Per Inside 50	51.1	48.4	+2.7	44.6
Goals Per Inside 50	31.9	24.2	+7.7	23.7
Marks Inside 50	10	14	-4
Transition
Chain To Score %	23.3	27.3	-4.0	20.7
Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %	26.5	36.7	-10.1	22.8
Defensive 50 To Score %	10.2	20.0	-9.8	9.6
Defensive Half To Forward 50 %	32.0	46.7	-14.7	31.0
Defensive Half To Score %	14.7	23.3	-8.7	12.8
Contest
Contested Possessions	139	137	+2
Ground Ball Gets	86	98	-12
Post Clearance Contested Poss	88	84	+4
Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets	61	58	+3
Contested Marks	12	11	+1
Clearance
Total Clearances	31	46	-15
Centre Clearances	10	19	-9
Stoppage Clearances	21	27	-6
First Possessions	44	42	+2
First Possession To Clearance %	63.6	85.7	-22.1	74.8
Defense
Intercepts	59	58	+1
Intercept Marks	16	14	+2
Tackles	50	49	+1
Tackles Inside 50	10	13	-3
Def One On One Loss %	21.4	37.5	-16.1	27.2
Ruck
Hitouts	52	30	+22
Hitouts To Advantage	15	8	+7

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

• Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

• Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

• Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Player Ratings

	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	TOG
Max Gawn	6.8	4.5	8.3	3.7	23.2	87%
Harrison Petty	2.9	4.9	4.8	6.1	18.6	78%
Jai Culley	7.0	1.4	1.9	3.5	13.8	73%
Harvey Langford	1.8	2.1	4.3	5.2	13.4	79%
Daniel Turner	5.9	1.4	0.7	3.9	12.0	88%
Jake Bowey	2.4	3.0	2.5	3.9	11.9	81%
Jake Melksham	5.1	0.6	6.6	−0.6	11.7	77%
Tom McDonald	3.4	2.5	3.3	2.4	11.6	95%
Kysaiah Pickett	2.4	4.9	2.8	0.5	10.6	86%
Christian Salem	2.8	1.1	1.7	4.6	10.3	87%
Judd McVee	1.7	2.8	3.9	1.6	9.9	75%
Jack Viney	0.2	0.2	5.7	3.5	9.6	82%
Clayton Oliver	0.3	3.5	2.2	3.7	9.6	81%
Trent Rivers	3.4	3.6	1.3	0.7	9.0	85%
Bayley Fritsch	2.9	0.7	4.5	0.7	8.8	83%
Christian Petracca	3.2	1.1	4.2	0.1	8.6	83%
Jed Adams	0.8	1.6	3.3	0.9	6.6	86%
Kade Chandler	0.2	0.9	5.2	−0.7	5.6	90%
Blake Howes	0.0	0.0	0.0	5.2	5.2	24%
Jacob van Rooyen	2.4	1.5	0.6	0.4	4.9	66%
Caleb Windsor	1.5	0.6	3.2	−0.3	4.9	70%
Tom Sparrow	0.5	1.9	1.3	0.0	3.8	54%
Ed Langdon	−0.4	−0.8	0.0	3.4	2.2	89%

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	2	7	-5
Loose Ball Get	19	22	-3
Contested Mark	2	1	+1
Gather From Hitout	3	1	+2
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	3	1	+2
Total	29	33	-4
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	1	1	0
Loose Ball Get	9	9	0
Contested Mark	4	1	+3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	2	0	+2
Gather From Hitout	2	2	0
Contested Knock On	3	2	+1
Free For	2	1	+1
Total	23	16	+7
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	10	15	-5
Loose Ball Get	51	43	+8
Contested Mark	12	11	+1
Contested Knock On	6	5	+1
Free For	9	10	-1
Total	88	84	+4
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	9	11	-2
Loose Ball Get	16	29	-13
Ruck Hard Ball Get	7	0	+7
Gather From Hitout	14	6	+8
Contested Knock On	2	2	0
Free For	3	5	-2
Total	51	53	-2

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	93.6	99	26%			+5.7
Western Bulldogs	105.3	105	74%	+11.7	+6

	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	25	15.8 98	60.0%	93.6	+4.4	3.74	+0.18
Western Bulldogs	31	15.12 102	48.4%	103.3	−1.3	3.33	−0.04
General Play
Melbourne	13	6.5 41	46.2%	50.9	−9.9	3.92	−0.77
Western Bulldogs	16	7.7 49	43.8%	56.0	−7.0	3.50	−0.44
Set Position
Melbourne	12	9.3 57	75.0%	42.6	+14.4	3.55	+1.20
Western Bulldogs	15	8.5 53	53.3%	47.3	+5.7	3.15	+0.38

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

• +/-: total score above or below expected score.

• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Territory (time in zones)

Region	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	Season
Half
Forward	41%	42%	50%	45%	45%	52%
Defensive	59%	58%	50%	55%	55%	48%
Region
Forward 50	19%	18%	23%	13%	18%	25%
Attacking Midfield	22%	24%	27%	32%	26%	27%
Defensive Midfield	24%	29%	25%	29%	27%	25%
Defensive 50	35%	28%	24%	26%	28%	23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	2.1 13	1.1 7	+6
Centre Bounce	1.2 8	3.1 19	-11
Stoppage (Other)	3.1 19	1.6 12	+7
Turnover	9.5 59	10.7 67	-8

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	13	4.7	7	5.1
Centre Bounce	8	12.5	19	14.4
Stoppage (Other)	19	20.7	12	20.7
Turnover	59	46.4	67	48.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	25	13.2	26	17.8
Defensive midfield	26	16.3	23	20.2
Centre bounce	8	12.5	19	14.4
Attacking midfield	27	25.4	20	24.8
Forward 50	13	17.0	17	11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
51	29.5	49	38.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Western Bulldogs.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2025 %	2024 %
Clayton Oliver	30	88%	72.1%	70.7%
Max Gawn	28	82%	85.5%	85.0%
Jack Viney	24	71%	67.2%	69.1%
Caleb Windsor	22	65%	12.1%	0.0%
Kysaiah Pickett	14	41%	71.9%	33.0%
Christian Petracca	10	29%	67.7%	55.8%
Jacob van Rooyen	6	18%	13.4%	17.8%
Christian Salem	2	6%	1.7%	12.3%
Trent Rivers	0	0%	17.6%	29.9%
Harvey Langford	0	0%	10.4%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	6.6%	37.7%
Ed Langdon	0	0%	3.3%	0.7%
Kade Chandler	0	0%	1.2%	0.0%
Judd McVee	0	0%	0.5%	6.3%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	0.4%	7.5%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.2%	0.3%
Jake Melksham	0	0%	0.2%	0.0%
Jai Culley	0	0%	0.0%	30.9%
Tom Fullarton			17.2%
Aidan Johnson			13.9%
Matthew Jefferson			1.0%
Xavier Lindsay			0.4%
Bailey Laurie			0.0%	11.0%
Charlie Spargo			0.0%	4.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup			0.0%	5.7%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2025 %	2024 %
Max Gawn	75	75%	82.1%	81.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	16%	14.7%	17.6%
Harrison Petty	9	9%	2.4%	7.9%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.3%	3.1%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.1%	0.0%
Tom Fullarton			20.5%
Aidan Johnson			15.6%
Matthew Jefferson			1.1%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2025)	To Adv. % (2024)
Melbourne
Max Gawn	75	42	12	27.3%	27.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	6	2	32.8%	24.7%
Harrison Petty	9	4	1	26.6%	24.4%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0		50.4%
Tom Fullarton				43.8%
Aidan Johnson				21.1%
Matthew Jefferson				0.0%
Opposition
Tim English	73	23	6
Sam Darcy	11	4	2
Aaron Naughton	1	1	0
James O'Donnell	1	1	0
Rory Lobb	13	1	0

There it is, in all its glory.

59 points from turnover, 51 points from chains starting in defensive half.

These would have to be season highs Wheelo?

2 hours ago, layzie said:

There it is, in all its glory.

59 points from turnover, 51 points from chains starting in defensive half.

These would have to be season highs Wheelo?

It's our equal highest points from defensive half after we also had 51 points against West Coast last week. It's our fifth highest points from turnover:

• 12.10.82 v Syd, R11

• 11.5.71 v WC, R21

• 10.4.64 v NM, R18

• 9.8.62 v Bris, R10

• 9.5.59 v WB, R22

40 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

It's our equal highest points from defensive half after we also had 51 points against West Coast last week. It's our fifth highest points from turnover:

• 12.10.82 v Syd, R11

• 11.5.71 v WC, R21

• 10.4.64 v NM, R18

• 9.8.62 v Bris, R10

• 9.5.59 v WB, R22

The problem for us, as always is we gave up 67 points on turnover.

That's the game right there

(Funnily enough they scored 49 point from their defensive half, 2 points less than us. Taken together- ie scores from turnover and scores from defensive half - you get 6 points, which was the margin).

Geez the Dogs are good at clearance. I know we were terrible, but 85% of their first possessions resulting in a clearance is crazy good.

Edited August 12Aug 12 by At the break of Gawn

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Season	Team Rating	% Change vs 2025
2021	67.23	-3.34
2022	69.48	-0.10
2023	69.86	0.45

Player	2025 Rating	2025 Rank	2024 Rating	% Change vs 2024	2024 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2024
Max Gawn	4.523	1	4.132	9.5	2	1
C Oliver	4.134	2	3.364	22.9	6	4
C Petracca	3.850	3	4.476	-14.0	1	-2
C Salem	3.746	4	3.421	9.5	4	0
J Bowey	3.721	5	2.755	35.1	13	8
S May	3.588	6	3.741	-4.1	3	-3
J Culley	3.500	7	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	3.476	8	2.433	42.9	16	8
T Rivers <	3.369	9	3.391	-0.6	5	-4
Ed Langdon	3.236	10	3.089	4.8	9	-1
Jack Viney	3.156	11	3.178	-0.7	7	-4
T McDonald	3.077	12	2.967	3.7	11	-1
K Chandler	2.961	13	2.223	33.2	22	9
H Langford >	2.837	14	-	-	-	-
D Turner <	2.784	15	1.393	99.9	32	17
J McVee	2.675	16	2.816	-5.0	12	-4
J Lever	2.672	17	3.103	-13.9	8	-9
B Howes <	2.613	18	2.341	11.6	20	2
X Lindsay < >	2.591	19	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch >	2.525	20	1.746	44.6	29	9
C Windsor > <	2.280	21	2.275	0.2	21	0
T Sparrow	2.236	22	2.517	-11.2	15	-7
J Melksham >	2.130	23	1.850	15.1	27	4
J Billings*	2.100	24	2.430	-13.6	17	-7
C Spargo (vs 2023 Rating) >	1.978	25	1.886	4.9	29	4
H Petty	1.906	26	1.701	12.1	30	4
J Adams*	1.900	27	-	-	-	-
J V Rooyen	1.889	28	2.026	-6.8	24	-4
H Sharp > <	1.848	29	-	-	-	-
J Henderson <	1.726	30	-	-	-	-
K Tholstrup < >	1.681	31	1.898	-11.4	26	-5
T Woewodin* >	1.600	32	2.052	-22.0	23	-9
A Johnson	1.416	33	-	-	-	-
M Jefferson <	1.056	34	-	-	-	-
T Fullarton	0.925	35	-		-	-
B Laurie* >	-0.200	36	2.425	-108.2	18	-18
Team Rating	69.55		65.17	6.7
Top 6	23.56		22.53	4.6
Bottom 6	14.92		14.04	6.2

* Played less than two full matches

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Edited August 12Aug 12 by Demon Dynasty

17 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 22, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Season	Team Rating	% Change vs 2025
2021	67.23	-3.34
2022	69.48	-0.10
2023	69.86	0.45

Player	2025 Rating	2025 Rank	2024 Rating	% Change vs 2024	2024 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2024
Max Gawn	4.523	1	4.132	9.5	2	1
C Oliver	4.134	2	3.364	22.9	6	4
C Petracca	3.850	3	4.476	-14.0	1	-2
C Salem	3.746	4	3.421	9.5	4	0
J Bowey	3.721	5	2.755	35.1	13	8
S May	3.588	6	3.741	-4.1	3	-3
J Culley	3.500	7	-	-	-	-
K Pickett	3.476	8	2.433	42.9	16	8
T Rivers <	3.369	9	3.391	-0.6	5	-4
Ed Langdon	3.236	10	3.089	4.8	9	-1
Jack Viney	3.156	11	3.178	-0.7	7	-4
T McDonald	3.077	12	2.967	3.7	11	-1
K Chandler	2.961	13	2.223	33.2	22	9
H Langford >	2.837	14	-	-	-	-
D Turner <	2.784	15	1.393	99.9	32	17
J McVee	2.675	16	2.816	-5.0	12	-4
J Lever	2.672	17	3.103	-13.9	8	-9
B Howes <	2.613	18	2.341	11.6	20	2
X Lindsay < >	2.591	19	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch >	2.525	20	1.746	44.6	29	9
C Windsor > <	2.280	21	2.275	0.2	21	0
T Sparrow	2.236	22	2.517	-11.2	15	-7
J Melksham >	2.130	23	1.850	15.1	27	4
J Billings*	2.100	24	2.430	-13.6	17	-7
C Spargo (vs 2023 Rating) >	1.978	25	1.886	4.9	29	4
H Petty	1.906	26	1.701	12.1	30	4
J Adams*	1.900	27	-	-	-	-
J V Rooyen	1.889	28	2.026	-6.8	24	-4
H Sharp > <	1.848	29	-	-	-	-
J Henderson <	1.726	30	-	-	-	-
K Tholstrup < >	1.681	31	1.898	-11.4	26	-5
T Woewodin* >	1.600	32	2.052	-22.0	23	-9
A Johnson	1.416	33	-	-	-	-
M Jefferson <	1.056	34	-	-	-	-
T Fullarton	0.925	35	-		-	-
B Laurie* >	-0.200	36	2.425	-108.2	18	-18
Team Rating	69.55		65.17	6.7
Top 6	23.56		22.53	4.6
Bottom 6	14.92		14.04	6.2

* Played less than two full matches

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD some really good signs starting to emerge up from 2024 numbers, Max is still improving, Claz and Salo having better years, Tracc still below his best but better than I expected. Bowey Pickett, Chandler, Rivers, Disco, Langford, Lindsay all on the rise and what about Culley’s first two games.!!!

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD some really good signs starting to emerge up from 2024 numbers, Max is still improving, Claz and Salo having better years, Tracc still below his best but better than I expected. Bowey Pickett, Chandler, Rivers, Disco, Langford, Lindsay all on the rise and what about Culley’s first two games.!!!

It's too early to go the crow DZ but yeh those first two matches from JC are a beauty.

We might have found one here but keeping a lid on it ... for now 😁

There is an issue with the AFL website with player ratings and a bunch of other stats not currently available for games this round. If it gets resolved, I will update the website and re-post here.

Melbourne v Hawthorn (Round 23, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252306

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff	AFL
Disposal Efficiency
Disposal Efficiency	68.9	68.5	+0.4	72.4
Kicking Efficiency
Territory/Attack
Time In Forward Half	50.1	49.9	+0.2
Inside 50s	56	49	+7
Shots At Goal	19	27	-8
Scores Per Inside 50	28.6	55.1	-26.5	44.6
Goals Per Inside 50	14.3	26.5	-12.2	23.7
Marks Inside 50	8	20	-12
Transition
Chain To Score %	12.8	20.6	-7.8	20.7
Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %	7.1	27.3	-20.1	22.9
Defensive 50 To Score %	0.0	9.1	-9.1	9.6
Defensive Half To Forward 50 %	17.9	32.1	-14.1	31.1
Defensive Half To Score %	4.5	14.1	-9.6	12.8
Contest
Contested Possessions	144	143	+1
Ground Ball Gets
Post Clearance Contested Poss	89	89	+0
Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets	71	64	+7
Contested Marks	4	8	-4
Clearance
Total Clearances	40	35	+5
Centre Clearances	15	7	+8
Stoppage Clearances	25	28	-3
First Possessions	45	38	+7
First Possession To Clearance %	71.1	68.4	+2.7	74.8
Defense
Intercepts	75	83	-8
Intercept Marks
Tackles	68	55	+13
Tackles Inside 50	9	16	-7
Def One On One Loss %
Ruck
Hitouts	43	31	+12
Hitouts To Advantage

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

• Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

• Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

• Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	4	4	0
Loose Ball Get	21	18	+3
Contested Mark	1	4	-3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	3	1	+2
Total	30	30	0
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	5	4	+1
Loose Ball Get	10	19	-9
Contested Mark	0	1	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	1	2	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	17	30	-13
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	18	13	+5
Loose Ball Get	53	51	+2
Contested Mark	4	8	-4
Contested Knock On	3	8	-5
Free For	11	9	+2
Total	89	89	0
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	4	12	-8
Loose Ball Get	28	29	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	3	3	0
Gather From Hitout	13	5	+8
Contested Knock On	3	1	+2
Free For	4	4	0
Total	55	54	+1

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	65.2	56	5%
Hawthorn	93.5	92	95%	+28.2	+36	+7.8

	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	8.7 55	42.1%	64.2	−9.2	3.38	−0.49
Hawthorn	27	13.13 91	48.1%	92.5	−1.5	3.43	−0.05
General Play
Melbourne	10	3.4 22	30.0%	35.0	−13.0	3.50	−1.30
Hawthorn	6	3.3 21	50.0%	20.0	+1.0	3.34	+0.16
Set Position
Melbourne	9	5.3 33	55.6%	29.2	+3.8	3.25	+0.42
Hawthorn	21	10.10 70	47.6%	72.4	−2.4	3.45	−0.12

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

• +/-: total score above or below expected score.

• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Territory (time in zones)

Region	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	Season
Half
Forward	44%	37%	64%	55%	50%	52%
Defensive	56%	63%	36%	45%	50%	48%
Region
Forward 50	12%	14%	28%	27%	21%	25%
Attacking Midfield	32%	23%	35%	28%	30%	27%
Defensive Midfield	26%	29%	18%	15%	22%	25%
Defensive 50	29%	34%	19%	30%	28%	23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0 0	0.0 0	+0
Centre Bounce	1.0 6	0.2 2	+4
Stoppage (Other)	1.1 7	7.6 48	-41
Turnover	6.7 43	6.6 42	+1

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	4.5	0	4.9
Centre Bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Stoppage (Other)	7	20.0	48	22.0
Turnover	43	46.3	42	48.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	0	12.6	19	17.9
Defensive midfield	18	16.4	27	20.5
Centre bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Attacking midfield	24	25.3	33	25.1
Forward 50	8	16.5	11	11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
18	29.0	46	38.4

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

2 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

There is an issue with the AFL website with player ratings and a bunch of other stats not currently available for games this round. If it gets resolved, I will update the website and re-post here.

Melbourne v Hawthorn (Round 23, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252306

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff	AFL
Disposal Efficiency
Disposal Efficiency	68.9	68.5	+0.4	72.4
Kicking Efficiency
Territory/Attack
Time In Forward Half	50.1	49.9	+0.2
Inside 50s	56	49	+7
Shots At Goal	19	27	-8
Scores Per Inside 50	28.6	55.1	-26.5	44.6
Goals Per Inside 50	14.3	26.5	-12.2	23.7
Marks Inside 50	8	20	-12
Transition
Chain To Score %	12.8	20.6	-7.8	20.7
Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %	7.1	27.3	-20.1	22.9
Defensive 50 To Score %	0.0	9.1	-9.1	9.6
Defensive Half To Forward 50 %	17.9	32.1	-14.1	31.1
Defensive Half To Score %	4.5	14.1	-9.6	12.8
Contest
Contested Possessions	144	143	+1
Ground Ball Gets
Post Clearance Contested Poss	89	89	+0
Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets	71	64	+7
Contested Marks	4	8	-4
Clearance
Total Clearances	40	35	+5
Centre Clearances	15	7	+8
Stoppage Clearances	25	28	-3
First Possessions	45	38	+7
First Possession To Clearance %	71.1	68.4	+2.7	74.8
Defense
Intercepts	75	83	-8
Intercept Marks
Tackles	68	55	+13
Tackles Inside 50	9	16	-7
Def One On One Loss %
Ruck
Hitouts	43	31	+12
Hitouts To Advantage

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

• Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

• Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

• Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	4	4	0
Loose Ball Get	21	18	+3
Contested Mark	1	4	-3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	3	1	+2
Total	30	30	0
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	5	4	+1
Loose Ball Get	10	19	-9
Contested Mark	0	1	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	1	2	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	17	30	-13
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	18	13	+5
Loose Ball Get	53	51	+2
Contested Mark	4	8	-4
Contested Knock On	3	8	-5
Free For	11	9	+2
Total	89	89	0
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	4	12	-8
Loose Ball Get	28	29	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	3	3	0
Gather From Hitout	13	5	+8
Contested Knock On	3	1	+2
Free For	4	4	0
Total	55	54	+1

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	65.2	56	5%
Hawthorn	93.5	92	95%	+28.2	+36	+7.8

	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	8.7 55	42.1%	64.2	−9.2	3.38	−0.49
Hawthorn	27	13.13 91	48.1%	92.5	−1.5	3.43	−0.05
General Play
Melbourne	10	3.4 22	30.0%	35.0	−13.0	3.50	−1.30
Hawthorn	6	3.3 21	50.0%	20.0	+1.0	3.34	+0.16
Set Position
Melbourne	9	5.3 33	55.6%	29.2	+3.8	3.25	+0.42
Hawthorn	21	10.10 70	47.6%	72.4	−2.4	3.45	−0.12

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

• +/-: total score above or below expected score.

• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Territory (time in zones)

Region	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	Season
Half
Forward	44%	37%	64%	55%	50%	52%
Defensive	56%	63%	36%	45%	50%	48%
Region
Forward 50	12%	14%	28%	27%	21%	25%
Attacking Midfield	32%	23%	35%	28%	30%	27%
Defensive Midfield	26%	29%	18%	15%	22%	25%
Defensive 50	29%	34%	19%	30%	28%	23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0 0	0.0 0	+0
Centre Bounce	1.0 6	0.2 2	+4
Stoppage (Other)	1.1 7	7.6 48	-41
Turnover	6.7 43	6.6 42	+1

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	4.5	0	4.9
Centre Bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Stoppage (Other)	7	20.0	48	22.0
Turnover	43	46.3	42	48.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	0	12.6	19	17.9
Defensive midfield	18	16.4	27	20.5
Centre bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Attacking midfield	24	25.3	33	25.1
Forward 50	8	16.5	11	11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
18	29.0	46	38.4

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Wow. Killed from stoppage. Very rare that's the difference in the game. -41 points.

Didnt feel like it, but does speak to how bad we set up today.

Edited August 16Aug 16 by Jjrogan

Can't recall the last time we lost as badly as we did today and it wasn't almost entirely due to scores from turnover.

Also how about that third quarter. 64% in forward half, 20 inside 50s to 7, yet outscored 3.3 to 2.0. Classic.

The issue with the AFL website has been resolved so here is the full stats file post.

Melbourne v Hawthorn (Round 23, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252306

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff	AFL
Disposal Efficiency
Disposal Efficiency	68.9	68.5	+0.4	72.4
Kicking Efficiency	61.6	61.8	-0.2	65.9
Territory/Attack
Time In Forward Half	50.1	49.9	+0.2
Inside 50s	56	49	+7
Shots At Goal	19	27	-8
Scores Per Inside 50	28.6	55.1	-26.5	44.5
Goals Per Inside 50	14.3	26.5	-12.2	23.7
Marks Inside 50	8	20	-12
Transition
Chain To Score %	12.8	20.6	-7.8	20.6
Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %	7.1	27.3	-20.1	22.8
Defensive 50 To Score %	0.0	9.1	-9.1	9.6
Defensive Half To Forward 50 %	17.9	32.1	-14.1	31.0
Defensive Half To Score %	4.5	14.1	-9.6	12.7
Contest
Contested Possessions	144	143	+1
Ground Ball Gets	103	105	-2
Post Clearance Contested Poss	89	89	+0
Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets	71	64	+7
Contested Marks	4	8	-4
Clearance
Total Clearances	40	35	+5
Centre Clearances	15	7	+8
Stoppage Clearances	25	28	-3
First Possessions	45	38	+7
First Possession To Clearance %	71.1	68.4	+2.7	74.8
Defense
Intercepts	75	83	-8
Intercept Marks	13	21	-8
Tackles	68	55	+13
Tackles Inside 50	9	16	-7
Def One On One Loss %	41.7	25.0	+16.7	27.3
Ruck
Hitouts	43	31	+12
Hitouts To Advantage	13	5	+8

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

• Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

• Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

• Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Player Ratings

	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	TOG
Max Gawn	4.8	5.1	3.9	3.7	17.5	86%
Clayton Oliver	1.9	4.5	2.3	7.7	16.4	79%
Christian Salem	3.2	6.5	1.8	4.6	16.1	86%
Christian Petracca	3.1	2.5	6.4	2.7	14.8	84%
Jacob van Rooyen	0.8	−1.6	0.4	14.5	14.1	78%
Jack Viney	4.2	2.9	5.3	1.1	13.6	77%
Tom Sparrow	7.1	2.8	1.0	2.6	13.5	84%
Jai Culley	1.9	4.6	1.1	4.9	12.5	78%
Trent Rivers	2.4	1.8	2.3	5.6	12.2	77%
Harrison Petty	3.0	2.1	4.4	0.0	9.6	79%
Jake Bowey	−1.4	−0.2	6.6	4.0	8.9	80%
Kysaiah Pickett	1.1	2.1	4.1	1.2	8.6	76%
Kade Chandler	0.2	4.0	3.1	1.1	8.4	79%
Harvey Langford	0.9	−0.3	−0.5	7.5	7.6	84%
Judd McVee	1.2	1.4	0.7	0.6	3.9	74%
Steven May	0.4	1.3	3.8	−1.9	3.7	77%
Bayley Fritsch	2.7	−0.5	0.9	0.2	3.4	87%
Blake Howes	0.3	1.0	−0.9	2.5	2.9	92%
Daniel Turner	−2.4	1.4	0.2	2.7	1.9	93%
Jake Melksham	0.0	0.0	0.7	0.9	1.6	41%
Ed Langdon	1.8	1.8	0.8	−4.5	0.0	92%
Tom McDonald	−0.6	−1.8	0.0	0.0	−2.4	46%
Harry Sharp	−1.3	2.3	−0.8	−4.2	−4.1	71%

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	4	4	0
Loose Ball Get	21	18	+3
Contested Mark	1	4	-3
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Contested Knock On	0	1	-1
Free For	3	1	+2
Total	30	30	0
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	5	4	+1
Loose Ball Get	10	19	-9
Contested Mark	0	1	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	1	-1
Gather From Hitout	0	1	-1
Contested Knock On	1	2	-1
Free For	1	2	-1
Total	17	30	-13
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	18	13	+5
Loose Ball Get	53	51	+2
Contested Mark	4	8	-4
Contested Knock On	3	8	-5
Free For	11	9	+2
Total	89	89	0
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	4	12	-8
Loose Ball Get	28	29	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	3	3	0
Gather From Hitout	13	5	+8
Contested Knock On	3	1	+2
Free For	4	4	0
Total	55	54	+1

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	65.2	56	5%
Hawthorn	93.5	92	95%	+28.2	+36	+7.8

	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	19	8.7 55	42.1%	64.2	−9.2	3.38	−0.49
Hawthorn	27	13.13 91	48.1%	92.5	−1.5	3.43	−0.05
General Play
Melbourne	10	3.4 22	30.0%	35.0	−13.0	3.50	−1.30
Hawthorn	6	3.3 21	50.0%	20.0	+1.0	3.34	+0.16
Set Position
Melbourne	9	5.3 33	55.6%	29.2	+3.8	3.25	+0.42
Hawthorn	21	10.10 70	47.6%	72.4	−2.4	3.45	−0.12

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

• +/-: total score above or below expected score.

• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	173	203	-30
2	182	165	+17
3	187	179	+8
4	190	191	-1
Match	183	184	-1

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	26	70	52.5
Kysaiah Pickett	29	65	37.4
Tom Sparrow	25	52	37.1
Clayton Oliver	18	44	50.8
Harrison Petty	22	44	20.8
Harry Sharp	21	44	20.6
Jake Bowey	17	42	28.5
Ed Langdon	20	40	30.3
Kade Chandler	17	36	35.0
Trent Rivers	12	33	26.8
Harvey Langford	15	32	21.2
Christian Petracca	13	31	36.3
Jacob van Rooyen	10	30	20.5
Christian Salem	12	29	21.1
Jai Culley	16	27	29.7
Bayley Fritsch	9	27	18.8
Blake Howes	9	25	14.3
Max Gawn	10	21	19.1
Daniel Turner	7	16	13.9
Judd McVee	6	10	15.3
Tom McDonald	5	9	13.7
Jake Melksham	0	0	16.3
Steven May	0	0	9.4

Source: Herald Sun

Territory (time in zones)

Region	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	Season
Half
Forward	44%	37%	64%	55%	50%	52%
Defensive	56%	63%	36%	45%	50%	48%
Region
Forward 50	12%	14%	28%	27%	21%	25%
Attacking Midfield	32%	23%	35%	28%	30%	27%
Defensive Midfield	26%	29%	18%	15%	22%	25%
Defensive 50	29%	34%	19%	30%	28%	23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	0.0 0	0.0 0	+0
Centre Bounce	1.0 6	0.2 2	+4
Stoppage (Other)	1.1 7	7.6 48	-41
Turnover	6.7 43	6.6 42	+1

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	0	4.5	0	4.9
Centre Bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Stoppage (Other)	7	20.0	48	22.0
Turnover	43	46.3	42	48.2

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	0	12.6	19	17.9
Defensive midfield	18	16.4	27	20.5
Centre bounce	6	12.2	2	13.9
Attacking midfield	24	25.3	33	25.1
Forward 50	8	16.5	11	11.5

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
18	29.0	46	38.4

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Hawthorn.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2025 %	2024 %
Max Gawn	21	88%	85.5%	85.0%
Jack Viney	19	79%	67.8%	69.1%
Clayton Oliver	16	67%	71.9%	70.7%
Christian Petracca	15	62%	67.5%	55.8%
Kysaiah Pickett	13	54%	71.1%	33.0%
Trent Rivers	4	17%	17.5%	29.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	3	12%	13.3%	17.8%
Tom Sparrow	3	12%	6.9%	37.7%
Harvey Langford	2	8%	10.3%
Ed Langdon	0	0%	3.2%	0.7%
Christian Salem	0	0%	1.6%	12.3%
Kade Chandler	0	0%	1.1%	0.0%
Judd McVee	0	0%	0.4%	6.3%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	0.4%	7.5%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.2%	0.3%
Jake Melksham	0	0%	0.2%	0.0%
Jai Culley	0	0%	0.0%	30.9%
Tom Fullarton			17.2%
Aidan Johnson			13.9%
Caleb Windsor			12.1%	0.0%
Matthew Jefferson			1.0%
Xavier Lindsay			0.4%
Bailey Laurie			0.0%	11.0%
Charlie Spargo			0.0%	4.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup			0.0%	5.7%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2025 %	2024 %
Max Gawn	76	78%	81.9%	81.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	16%	14.8%	17.6%
Harrison Petty	5	5%	2.5%	7.9%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.2%	3.1%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.1%	0.0%
Tom Fullarton			20.5%
Aidan Johnson			15.6%
Matthew Jefferson			1.1%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2025)	To Adv. % (2024)
Melbourne
Max Gawn	76	35	12	27.6%	27.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	16	7	1	30.8%	24.7%
Harrison Petty	5	1	0	25.0%	24.4%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0		50.4%
Tom Fullarton				43.8%
Aidan Johnson				21.1%
Matthew Jefferson				0.0%
Opposition
Lloyd Meek	85	31	5
Mabior Chol	12	0	0

In response to this post from @Little Goffy on the gameday thread:

Max Gawn has a curious pattern of gathering a large number of hitouts in the first quarter, particularly in the first 20 minutes or so, and then it tapers to a more reasonable pace for the rest of the game.

I suspect that if his first quarters were his overall rate, he'd be averaging close to 60 hitouts per game.

What strikes me about that is that it is clearly not a matter of fatigue as his other stats tend to pick up the pace later in the game - the around the ground intercepts, marks, and general involvement all push hard.

So here's a challenge for the detailed stats experts - is this a genuine pattern or just a coincidence of a few games I noticed it in? And how does it play out on things like his @WheeloRatings figures? Does Gawn in hitout-mode outrank Gawn in around-the-ground mode?

Here is Max Gawn's quarter-by-quarter breakdown for a few key stats this season:

Metric	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
Time On Ground	85.5	84.1	87.4	85.0	85.6
Rating Points	3.7	3.8	4.6	3.2	15.3
Disposals	4.7	5.1	5.8	5.0	20.6
Contested Possessions	3.1	3.1	3.5	3.8	13.5
Marks	1.2	1.2	1.5	1.7	5.6
Intercept Marks	0.6	0.6	0.4	1.1	2.7
Hitouts	9.5	9.4	8.5	9.0	36.4
Hitouts To Advantage	2.6	2.6	2.5	2.3	10.0

His hitouts only drop off marginally but his intercept marks are clearly highest in the fourth quarter and his contested possessions are higher in the second half.

In terms of comparing "hitout-mode" to "around-the-ground" mode, I have looked at his disposal and hitout numbers in each quarter of games this season. From this rudimentary analysis, his best quarters are when he wins a lot of the ball.

Disposals	Hitouts	Quarters	Rating
1-4	1-8	28	2.04
1-4	9+	14	3.21
5+	1-8	15	4.71
5+	9+	31	5.27

Round 23, 2025 MCG - Hawks vs Demons

Our 4th worst Team Rating for the season behind....

3rd - Rnd 12 vs the Saints 55.48

2nd - Rnd 13 vs the Pies 50.95

Worst - Rnd 3 vs the Cats 50.6

Nearly 15% down on our already horrible 2024 Rating of 65.17

And the bottom 6 players Rating ...wow! 🤮 Good luck trying to even get close with that sort of output.

We are now effectively two years into a nose dive with seemingly no sign of pulling up.

Apart from honourable mentions of individual performances from big Max, Riv, Bowey and Culley (not bad given he's effectively a wet rookie), i failed to find anything else positive in a 'TEAM' sense about that performance which i thought was bloody putrid.

The balloon is now fully deflated with any spirit and fight from this group now a long fading memory of what once was.

I expect us to make the Pies appear to return to their flag favourite status with another Friday night fiasco looming.

Whoever the the new coach is he will have a massive task ahead of him if he's to resurrect this list as it presently stands into a serious competitor once again and a group that plays reasonably attractive / watchable footy win, lose or draw.

Scoring Efficiency	Hawks	Demons
Disposals Per Goal	31.23	47.00
% In50s Goal	26.50	14.30
Conversion %	48.10	50.00

Average Attributes
Hawthorn	Attribute	Melbourne
187.8cm	Height	187.4cm
86.2kg	Weight	87.0kg
26yr 8mth	Age	26yr 8mth
128.8	Games	134.2

Total Games Played
Hawthorn	Attribute	Melbourne
2	Less than 50	5
8	50 to 99	4
6	100 to 149	4
4	150 to 200	2
3	200 or more	8

Player	Rating	Rank	2024 Season Rating	% Change vs 2024
C Salem	4.850	1	3.421	41.77
Max Gawn	4.725	2	4.132	14.35
J Bowey	4.075	3	2.755	47.91
J Viney	3.950	4	3.178	24.29
C Petracca	3.600	5	4.476	-19.57
C Oliver	3.525	6	3.364	4.79
T Rivers	3.475	7	3.391	2.48
S May	3.300	8	3.741	-11.79
T Sparrow	3.225	9	2.517	28.13
J Culley	2.700	10	-	0.00
H Petty	2.500	11	1.701	46.97
J V Rooyen	2.300	12	2.026	13.52
K Chandler	2.175	13	2.223	-2.16
B Howes	1.850	14	2.341	-20.97
J McVee	1.800	15	2.816	-36.08
K Pickett	1.775	16	2.433	-27.04
H Langford	1.550	17	-	0.00
D Turner	1.050	18	1.393	-24.62
B Fritsch	1.050	18	1.746	-39.86
H Sharp	0.825	20	-	0.00
Ed Langdon	0.750	21	3.089	-75.72
T McDonald < 46%	0.525	22	2.967	-82.31
J Melksham > 41%	0.400	23	1.850	-78.38
Team Rating	55.58		65.17	-14.72
Top 6	24.73		22.53	9.74
Bottom 6	5.75		14.04	-59.05

> Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

Stats courtesy of footywire.com and wheeloratings.com

Edited Monday at 10:565 days by Demon Dynasty

11 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 23, 2025 MCG - Hawks vs Demons

Our 4th worst Team Rating for the season behind....

3rd - Rnd 12 vs the Saints 55.48

2nd - Rnd 13 vs the Pies 50.95

Worst - Rnd 3 vs the Cats 50.6

Nearly 15% down on our already horrible 2024 Rating of 65.17

And the bottom 6 players Rating ...wow! 🤮 Good luck trying to even get close with that sort of output.

We are now effectively two years into a nose dive with seemingly no sign of pulling up.

Apart from honourable mentions of individual performances from big Max, Riv, Bowey and Culley (not bad given he's effectively a wet rookie), i failed to find anything else positive in a 'TEAM' sense about that performance which i thought was bloody putrid.

The balloon is now fully deflated with any spirit and fight from this group now a long fading memory of what once was.

I expect us to make the Pies appear to return to their flag favourite status with another Friday night fiasco looming.

Whoever the the new coach is he will have a massive task ahead of him if he's to resurrect this list as it presently stands into a serious competitor once again and a group that plays reasonably attractive / watchable footy win, lose or draw.

Scoring Efficiency	Hawks	Demons
Disposals Per Goal	31.23	47.00
% In50s Goal	26.50	14.30
Conversion %	48.10	50.00

Average Attributes
Hawthorn	Attribute	Melbourne
187.8cm	Height	187.4cm
86.2kg	Weight	87.0kg
26yr 8mth	Age	26yr 8mth
128.8	Games	134.2

Total Games Played
Hawthorn	Attribute	Melbourne
2	Less than 50	5
8	50 to 99	4
6	100 to 149	4
4	150 to 200	2
3	200 or more	8

Player	Rating	Rank	2024 Season Rating	% Change vs 2024
C Salem	4.850	1	3.421	41.77
Max Gawn	4.725	2	4.132	14.35
J Bowey	4.075	3	2.755	47.91
J Viney	3.950	4	3.178	24.29
C Petracca	3.600	5	4.476	-19.57
C Oliver	3.525	6	3.364	4.79
T Rivers	3.475	7	3.391	2.48
S May	3.300	8	3.741	-11.79
T Sparrow	3.225	9	2.517	28.13
J Culley	2.700	10	-	0.00
H Petty	2.500	11	1.701	46.97
J V Rooyen	2.300	12	2.026	13.52
K Chandler	2.175	13	2.223	-2.16
B Howes	1.850	14	2.341	-20.97
J McVee	1.800	15	2.816	-36.08
K Pickett	1.775	16	2.433	-27.04
H Langford	1.550	17	-	0.00
D Turner	1.050	18	1.393	-24.62
B Fritsch	1.050	18	1.746	-39.86
H Sharp	0.825	20	-	0.00
Ed Langdon	0.750	21	3.089	-75.72
T McDonald < 46%	0.525	22	2.967	-82.31
J Melksham > 41%	0.400	23	1.850	-78.38
Team Rating	55.58		65.17	-14.72
Top 6	24.73		22.53	9.74
Bottom 6	5.75		14.04	-59.05

> Subbed out TOG %

> Subbed in TOG %

Stats courtesy of footywire.com and wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD jeez we only had 13 players out there having a go, instead of a bottom 6 we had a bottom 12. Very disappointing effort indeed.

We reverted back to our Round 1-5 CBA mix and no coincidence we got smacked from clearance scores. It’s really madness to not have Pickett at just above 50% CBA attendance especially considering Windsor’s absence. Also can’t understand the logic of increasing Petracca’s CBA attendance at the expense of Oliver and Viney. Oliver and Viney cop a lot on here in regards to disposal and sometimes rightly so, but you can’t doubt they make us harder to play against and are consistently have the highest pressure ratings in our team. Petracca has never been a great pressure or first possession player so should only really be used in there when Pickett (and/or Windsor in the future) are having a break.

I guess the consolation is that these 3 weeks are mainly experimental and any decent coach will see the clear correlation. Question for those more in the know - would midfield rotation largely fall on Jones or the head coach in terms of general direction and strategy?

Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 23, 2025 vs H&A Season 2024

Season	Team Rating	% Change vs 2025
2021	67.23	-2.18
2022	69.48	1.09
2023	69.86	1.65

Player	2025 Rating	2025 Rank	2024 Rating	% Change vs 2024	2024 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2024
Max Gawn	4.532	1	4.132	9.7	2	1
C Oliver	4.105	2	3.364	22.0	6	4
C Petracca	3.839	3	4.476	-14.2	1	-2
C Salem	3.797	4	3.421	11.0	4	0
J Bowey	3.738	5	2.755	35.7	13	8
S May	3.568	6	3.741	-4.6	3	-3
K Pickett	3.387	7	2.433	39.2	16	9
T Rivers <	3.374	8	3.391	-0.5	5	-3
J Culley	3.233	9	-	-	-	-
Jack Viney	3.203	10	3.178	0.8	7	-3
Ed Langdon	3.123	11	3.089	1.1	9	-2
T McDonald	3.019	12	2.967	1.8	11	-1
K Chandler	2.925	13	2.223	31.6	22	9
H Langford >	2.773	14	-	-	-	-
D Turner <	2.685	15	1.393	92.7	32	17
J Lever	2.672	16	3.103	-13.9	8	-8
J McVee	2.620	17	2.816	-7.0	12	-5
X Lindsay < >	2.591	18	-	-	-	-
B Howes <	2.528	19	2.341	8.0	20	1
B Fritsch >	2.452	20	1.746	40.4	29	9
T Sparrow	2.285	21	2.517	-9.2	15	-6
C Windsor > <	2.280	22	2.275	0.2	21	-1
J Melksham >	2.100	23	1.850	13.5	27	4
J Billings*	2.100	23	2.430	-13.6	17	-6
C Spargo (vs 2023 Rating) >	1.978	25	1.886	4.9	29	4
H Petty	1.940	26	1.701	14.1	30	4
J V Rooyen	1.917	27	2.026	-5.4	24	-3
J Adams*	1.900	28	-	-	-	-
H Sharp > <	1.755	29	-	-	-	-
J Henderson <	1.726	30	-	-	-	-
K Tholstrup < >	1.681	31	1.898	-11.4	26	-5
T Woewodin* >	1.600	32	2.052	-22.0	23	-9
A Johnson	1.416	33	-	-	-	-
M Jefferson <	1.056	34	-	-	-	-
T Fullarton	0.925	35	-		-	-
B Laurie* >	-0.200	36	2.425	-108.2	18	-18
Team Rating	68.73		65.17	5.5
Top 6	23.58		22.53	4.7
Bottom 6	14.76		14.04	5.1

* Played less than two full matches

< Subbed out at least once or more

> Subbed in at least once or more

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

On 19/08/2025 at 11:53, 0livers Army said:

We reverted back to our Round 1-5 CBA mix and no coincidence we got smacked from clearance scores. It’s really madness to not have Pickett at just above 50% CBA attendance especially considering Windsor’s absence. Also can’t understand the logic of increasing Petracca’s CBA attendance at the expense of Oliver and Viney. Oliver and Viney cop a lot on here in regards to disposal and sometimes rightly so, but you can’t doubt they make us harder to play against and are consistently have the highest pressure ratings in our team. Petracca has never been a great pressure or first possession player so should only really be used in there when Pickett (and/or Windsor in the future) are having a break.

I guess the consolation is that these 3 weeks are mainly experimental and any decent coach will see the clear correlation. Question for those more in the know - would midfield rotation largely fall on Jones or the head coach in terms of general direction and strategy?

Jones and Radford, with Goody having input and veto power (that he'd use sparingly id be guessing as its not as simple as making a game day swap given the drill and practice they'd do on set ups ans structures)

For anyone interested, I wrote a brief article for thisweekinfootball.com about score involvements and score launches:

https://thisweekinfootball.com/twif/round-24-2025/#breaking-down-score-involvements-and-score-launches

While my article is nothing groundbreaking, I do recommend checking out https://thisweekinfootball.com each week for some great analysis and stats-heavy articles. It has been running most of the season.

Melbourne v Collingwood (Round 24, 2025)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20252405

Key Team Stats

Stats in bold were won by Melbourne.

Stat	For	Against	Diff	AFL
Disposal Efficiency
Disposal Efficiency	76.5	74.4	+2.2	72.4
Kicking Efficiency	71.5	71.6	-0.1	65.9
Territory/Attack
Time In Forward Half	45.6	54.4	-8.9
Inside 50s	55	52	+3
Shots At Goal	22	28	-6
Scores Per Inside 50	38.2	51.9	-13.7	44.6
Goals Per Inside 50	20.0	21.2	-1.2	23.7
Marks Inside 50	10	19	-9
Transition
Chain To Score %	19.4	25.2	-5.8	20.7
Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %	25.0	45.9	-20.9	22.8
Defensive 50 To Score %	10.4	5.4	+5.0	9.6
Defensive Half To Forward 50 %	33.8	47.7	-13.9	31.0
Defensive Half To Score %	14.9	12.3	+2.6	12.7
Contest
Contested Possessions	134	107	+27
Ground Ball Gets	83	65	+18
Post Clearance Contested Poss	84	72	+12
Post Clearance Ground Ball Gets	55	44	+11
Contested Marks	15	10	+5
Clearance
Total Clearances	38	26	+12
Centre Clearances	14	9	+5
Stoppage Clearances	24	17	+7
First Possessions	38	29	+9
First Possession To Clearance %	76.3	69.0	+7.4	74.8
Defense
Intercepts	58	68	-10
Intercept Marks	15	21	-6
Tackles	40	49	-9
Tackles Inside 50	6	8	-2
Def One On One Loss %	21.4	11.1	+10.3	27.3
Ruck
Hitouts	27	29	-2
Hitouts To Advantage	9	10	-1

Transition stats measure how often chains result in a score or an inside 50. Chains include all kick-in chains, all clearances, and intercepts with at least one disposal in the chain.

• Chain To Score %: proportion of all chains that resulted in a score.

• Defensive 50 To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive 50 To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive 50 that resulted in a score.

• Defensive Half To Forward 50 %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in an inside 50.

• Defensive Half To Score %: proportion of all chains starting in the defensive half that resulted in a score.

Player Ratings

	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	TOG
Harvey Langford	6.6	1.9	7.2	5.9	21.6	74%
Max Gawn	6.4	3.3	4.5	2.9	17.1	84%
Christian Salem	7.3	1.8	2.3	3.2	14.6	85%
Jack Viney	1.7	4.1	2.9	3.8	12.4	81%
Christian Petracca	3.1	2.9	0.2	5.1	11.4	86%
Kysaiah Pickett	0.9	1.0	7.4	1.3	10.7	83%
Steven May	−0.8	1.8	3.9	5.7	10.7	92%
Bayley Fritsch	−0.7	1.9	8.1	0.0	9.4	89%
Jake Bowey	4.0	2.7	1.4	1.0	9.1	77%
Trent Rivers	−2.1	2.0	1.6	7.3	8.9	72%
Daniel Turner	3.0	0.5	4.5	0.8	8.7	94%
Jacob van Rooyen	3.8	1.2	2.2	1.1	8.3	70%
Harrison Petty	4.4	1.6	0.0	2.0	8.0	77%
Kade Chandler	−0.1	2.7	1.4	3.6	7.6	87%
Jai Culley	1.7	1.8	3.5	0.0	7.0	65%
Judd McVee	1.8	1.3	2.8	0.1	5.9	75%
Jake Melksham	−1.4	5.0	0.6	0.9	5.1	80%
Tom Sparrow	−0.2	0.9	0.2	3.8	4.7	78%
Clayton Oliver	2.0	−0.9	2.1	1.1	4.4	82%
Tom McDonald	−1.0	0.7	2.3	2.1	4.1	100%
Ed Langdon	−0.3	0.6	3.5	−0.6	3.2	84%
Blake Howes	1.6	−0.4	−1.4	1.6	1.4	72%
Harry Sharp	0.0	0.0	0.0	−1.2	−1.2	13%

Contested Possessions

	For	Against	Diff
Melbourne's Defensive 50
Hard Ball Get	3	4	-1
Loose Ball Get	14	15	-1
Contested Mark	2	2	0
Ruck Hard Ball Get	1	0	+1
Gather From Hitout	1	0	+1
Free For	4	1	+3
Total	25	22	+3
Melbourne's Forward 50
Hard Ball Get	4	1	+3
Loose Ball Get	6	10	-4
Contested Mark	2	3	-1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	0	2	-2
Gather From Hitout	1	1	0
Contested Knock On	2	0	+2
Free For	1	3	-2
Total	16	20	-4
Post clearance
Hard Ball Get	8	7	+1
Loose Ball Get	47	37	+10
Contested Mark	15	10	+5
Contested Knock On	3	2	+1
Free For	11	16	-5
Total	84	72	+12
Pre clearance
Hard Ball Get	11	5	+6
Loose Ball Get	17	16	+1
Ruck Hard Ball Get	7	2	+5
Gather From Hitout	9	9	0
Contested Knock On	2	1	+1
Free For	4	2	+2
Total	50	35	+15

• Official data on pre- and post-clearance contested possessions are not available. These have been estimated by Wheelo Ratings and should be indicative.

• Ground ball gets are inclusive of hard ball gets and loose ball gets.

• 'Free For' does not include free kicks to advantage or free kicks while in possession of the ball as these are not counted as contested possessions.

Expected scores

	xScore	Score	xWin %	xMargin	Margin	Swing
Melbourne	69.4	76	12%			+14.3
Collingwood	89.7	82	88%	+20.3	+6

	Shots	Score	Accuracy	xScore	+/-	xSc. / Shot	Shot Rating
Overall
Melbourne	22	11.8 74	50.0%	67.4	+6.6	3.06	+0.30
Collingwood	28	11.14 80	39.3%	87.7	−7.7	3.13	−0.27
General Play
Melbourne	12	5.5 35	41.7%	36.1	−1.1	3.01	−0.09
Collingwood	11	4.6 30	36.4%	32.2	−2.2	2.92	−0.20
Set Position
Melbourne	10	6.3 39	60.0%	31.3	+7.7	3.13	+0.77
Collingwood	17	7.8 50	41.2%	55.5	−5.5	3.26	−0.32

• xWin %: win probability based on expected scores.

• Swing: difference between expected margin and actual margin.

• xScore: total expected score from all shots taken.

• +/-: total score above or below expected score.

• xSc. / Shot: average expected score per shot. This represents the average shot difficulty.

• Shot Rating: average score above or below expected score per shot at goal.

Notes: Expected scores are calculated by Wheelo Ratings. Each shot at goal is assigned an expected score based on the distance from goal, shot angle, and type of shot (e.g. set shot, general play following contested possession, general play following uncontested possession, ground kick, etc) as a proxy for pressure. The model does not take into account factors like the player, whether the ball was kicked with their preferred or non-preferred foot, and pressure on the player when taking the shot. Rushed behinds are excluded from actual and expected scores.

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	155	162	-7
2	169	153	+16
3	140	165	-25
4	168	191	-23
Match	159	168	-9

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player	Pressure Acts	Pressure Points	Season Average
Jack Viney	19	42	51.9
Tom Sparrow	18	37	37.1
Kade Chandler	13	30	34.8
Clayton Oliver	12	27	49.7
Trent Rivers	13	27	26.8
Jai Culley	10	26	28.8
Christian Salem	11	26	21.3
Kysaiah Pickett	12	25	36.8
Christian Petracca	12	23	35.7
Max Gawn	8	23	19.3
Blake Howes	9	23	15.0
Ed Langdon	9	18	29.7
Jake Bowey	9	17	28.0
Harrison Petty	7	16	20.6
Daniel Turner	7	16	14.0
Harvey Langford	6	13	20.9
Jake Melksham	6	13	16.2
Jacob van Rooyen	6	11	19.9
Bayley Fritsch	5	10	18.4
Steven May	5	10	9.4
Tom McDonald	2	8	13.4
Judd McVee	3	6	14.8
Harry Sharp	2	5	19.8

Source: Herald Sun

Territory (time in zones)

Region	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Match	Season
Half
Forward	27%	48%	52%	56%	46%	51%
Defensive	73%	52%	48%	44%	54%	49%
Region
Forward 50	10%	17%	27%	24%	20%	25%
Attacking Midfield	18%	30%	24%	31%	26%	27%
Defensive Midfield	38%	33%	23%	17%	28%	25%
Defensive 50	35%	19%	26%	27%	27%	23%

Source: Calculated by Wheelo Ratings.

Score Sources

Summary

Score Source	Score	Against	Diff
Kick-in	1.1 7	1.0 6	+1
Centre Bounce	2.3 15	0.3 3	+12
Stoppage (Other)	5.3 33	3.5 23	+10
Turnover	3.3 21	7.8 50	-29

Score Source	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Kick-in	7	4.6	6	5.0
Centre Bounce	15	12.3	3	13.4
Stoppage (Other)	33	20.6	23	22.0
Turnover	21	45.2	50	48.3

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Collingwood.

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective.

Region	For		Against
	Match	Season	Match	Season *
Defensive 50	15	12.7	12	17.6
Defensive midfield	26	16.8	16	20.3
Centre bounce	15	12.3	3	13.4
Attacking midfield	12	24.7	26	25.2
Forward 50	8	16.2	25	12.1

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Collingwood.

Points from defensive half

For		Against
Match	Season	Match	Season *
41	29.5	28	38.0

* Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Collingwood.

Centre Bounce Attendances

	CBAs	CBA %	2025 %	2024 %
Max Gawn	22	85%	85.5%	85.0%
Clayton Oliver	21	81%	72.3%	70.7%
Jack Viney	20	77%	68.3%	69.1%
Trent Rivers	20	77%	19.9%	29.9%
Christian Petracca	10	38%	66.4%	55.8%
Kysaiah Pickett	7	27%	69.0%	33.0%
Jacob van Rooyen	4	15%	13.4%	17.8%
Harvey Langford	0	0%	9.9%
Tom Sparrow	0	0%	6.6%	37.7%
Ed Langdon	0	0%	3.1%	0.7%
Christian Salem	0	0%	1.5%	12.3%
Kade Chandler	0	0%	1.1%	0.0%
Judd McVee	0	0%	0.4%	6.3%
Harrison Petty	0	0%	0.4%	7.5%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.2%	0.3%
Jake Melksham	0	0%	0.2%	0.0%
Jai Culley	0	0%	0.0%	30.9%
Tom Fullarton			17.2%
Aidan Johnson			13.9%
Caleb Windsor			12.1%	0.0%
Matthew Jefferson			1.0%
Xavier Lindsay			0.4%
Bailey Laurie			0.0%	11.0%
Charlie Spargo			0.0%	4.2%
Koltyn Tholstrup			0.0%	5.7%

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

	Ruck Contests	RC %	2025 %	2024 %
Max Gawn	53	72%	81.5%	81.1%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	19%	15.0%	17.6%
Harrison Petty	7	9%	2.8%	7.9%
Daniel Turner	0	0%	0.2%	3.1%
Clayton Oliver	0	0%	0.0%	0.0%
Tom Fullarton			20.5%
Aidan Johnson			15.6%
Matthew Jefferson			1.1%

Hitouts

	Ruck Contests	Hitouts	To Adv.	To Adv. % (2025)	To Adv. % (2024)
Melbourne
Max Gawn	53	25	9	27.8%	27.9%
Jacob van Rooyen	14	1	0	30.3%	24.7%
Harrison Petty	7	1	0	23.6%	24.4%
Daniel Turner	0	0	0		50.4%
Tom Fullarton				43.8%
Aidan Johnson				21.1%
Matthew Jefferson				0.0%
Opposition
Darcy Cameron	63	26	9
Daniel McStay	11	3	1

Thanks Wheelo. I thought Oliver had a better game than that. I guess his very low contested (5) and clearance numbers didn't help, however he did have 9 score involvements and went at 87% efficiency.

Also of interest - once again Gawn dominated against Cameron. 10 less ruck contests for Max though. A lot of Cameron's hit outs came against our second rucks in our forward line. I felt at times Max needed to take the ruck in the forward 50 and let Petty or JVR drop back behind the ball.

Thanks a lot for your contribution this year Wheelo. I've really enjoyed looking through your numbers.

Shocked with Oliver's rating. Thought he would have been top 5.

Scores from turnover the killer last night.

47 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Shocked with Oliver's rating. Thought he would have been top 5.

Scores from turnover the killer last night.

Yep, same story all year.

And I'll bet Oliver, given his rating, had his fair share of turnovers (the ratings measure scoreboard impact).

Might explain River's rating too given he looked to have a great game.

5 hours ago, binman said:

Yep, same story all year.

And I'll bet Oliver, given his rating, had his fair share of turnovers (the ratings measure scoreboard impact).

Might explain River's rating too given he looked to have a great game.

I just saw that clarry only had 2 turnovers, so his involvements in the game must simply not have been that impactful, for example he only had 2 clearances.