51 minutes ago, Pottsydee said:

I actually think its very unlikely an incoming CEO and President will sack a coach with 1 year to run on a contract. I couldn't imagine thats the kind of publicity they would want to start the Tenure with - would be a PR disaster.

We are a PR disaster

Brad should sack the footy department At least do say something

Everybody appears to be sitting around waiting for something

13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We are 5-17 from our last 22 games (9-22 from our last 31).

This isn't reactionary, this is a clear trend.

Not quite, although the correct figures are hardly much better.

We’re 6-15 from our last 21 games, and 10-20 from our last 30 (which goes back to when we were 6-2 after beating Geelong at the G last year).

2 minutes ago, jackaub said:

We are a PR disaster

Brad should sack the footy department At least do say something

Everybody appears to be sitting around waiting for something

Paralysis.

Sums us up.

Flinders St.. platform 13..

This is a Fanciful line train stopping Denial, Failure, Frustration , Mediocrity, Choking, Cantbestuffed and all stations to Nowhere

Doors closing

Mind the Gaaaaaaaaaapp !!!

14 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

It’s just speed. It says nothing at all about scoring, efficiency, winning, turning it over, anything. It is nothing but a measurement of speed.

Well, it does, the faster you move it, the faster you score. What it doesn't take care of is accuracy.

Just now, Adam The God said:

Well, it does, the faster you move it, the faster you score. What it doesn't take care of is accuracy.

No, it doesn’t tell you how much or often a side scores.

You can move it as quickly as you want but if your final kick is constantly a turnover, you’ll never score.

You are overlaying your own assumption that faster ball movement is conducive to higher scores, but the stat itself doesn’t say anything about scoring.

1 hour ago, Pottsydee said:

I actually think its very unlikely an incoming CEO and President will sack a coach with 1 year to run on a contract. I couldn't imagine thats the kind of publicity they would want to start the Tenure with - would be a PR disaster.

There’s a lot of Melbourne supporters who would disagree with that sentiment.

33 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Well, it does, the faster you move it, the faster you score. What it doesn't take care of is accuracy.

That's a fallacy.It presupposes everything works to effect. It hardly ever does.

Bit like an egg and spoon race... you can be fast... and lose

Edited July 5Jul 5 by beelzebub

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

No, it doesn’t tell you how much or often a side scores.

You can move it as quickly as you want but if your final kick is constantly a turnover, you’ll never score.

You are overlaying your own assumption that faster ball movement is conducive to higher scores, but the stat itself doesn’t say anything about scoring.

No, I'm relaying the Fox Sports article on ball movement. "In general, the quicker you go, the more likely you are to score - every team scores more moving the ball quicker."

As I said in my previous post, it doesn't mean everything, but of 75% of the game is about ball movement now, and you've got Collingwood leading the league with slower ball movement and Brisbane winning the flag with the fastest ball movement last year, it doesn't say much else.

With regards to our own play, it can mean we're getting it in quickly, but not making the right decision going inside.

That's where expected score comes in and where we should have won more games if it weren't for poor accuracy.

Edited July 5Jul 5 by Adam The God

2 hours ago, jackaub said:

in one sentence pl outline our plan in action to achieve our outcome

new management may not accept the plan

and the cost in memberships and lost sponsors is how much? The cost of devaluation of the playing group is how much?

Cost of coach while significant, the total cots is what will affect the club for years ton come

The members might return if we overhaul the list and start being competitive again

There's an assumption that the drop-off in members is entirely Goodwin related

In my view it's because the players couldn't give a yelp

40 minutes ago, Macca said:

The members might return if we overhaul the list and start being competitive again

There's an assumption that the drop-off in members is entirely Goodwin related

In my view it's because the players couldn't give a yelp

Yes

Yes/tempered with other factors but he'd ba at centre of most by default.

Yes..... and why's that ? Buy in failing, complacency, frustration, mirroring their treatment??

But ultimately simply competitiveness and success.

No one respects failure. No one wants to be part of it... on or off the field.

The players can't won't ordont trust the coaches game plan

It doesn't work and doesn't suit our list

Doing the same thing every week and bizarre selections are all down to him

I have a lot of friends who support this club including financially and they are all over this guy

THE ACTING PRESIDENT MUST do something or he will be running nothing.

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Not quite, although the correct figures are hardly much better.

We’re 6-15 from our last 21 games, and 10-20 from our last 30 (which goes back to when we were 6-2 after beating Geelong at the G last year).

Does that take into account our last couple of losses? I went back and checked but may have miscounted.

We finished 11-12 after starting 6-2 last year so went 5-10 to end the year. We are 5-10 this year so yep 10-20 you're right, I must have miscounted.

Edited July 5Jul 5 by Dr. Gonzo

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Culture is not just about player retention it's also about performance, success and player morale. Player morale may lead to player retention but when you have a lack of selection integrity it creates rifts between the playing group. A guy like TMac getting dropped while in good form can impact the overall culture of the group while having nothing to do with individual decisions of players to sign with the club (which often comes down to finances, relationships, personal circumstances etc before culture).

Again, it’s open to interpretation. I was expressing how I interpret it. You just expressed how you do.

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

With respect , you speak of causality.

Asking my mate AI..

Came up with. Strangely refers to many aspects i mentioned.

I think we can just agree we see things very differently. A football club , especially at the top level is a dance of egos. It's a world of Jocks.

Football clubs therefore are unlike your general business world as in the normal world most will get on with things but an AFL club ...well... lot of "precious" .. lots of figjam.

Some see them as lovely families. .. all kum ba yah stuff. I should say though that imho there is also a distinction between A club and a team ; subtle but specific.

Anyhow:

My point still is, the kids and their parents are happy to be with us. That’s a fact. A toxic culture would surely impact this.

2 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

My point still is, the kids and their parents are happy to be with us. That’s a fact. A toxic culture would surely impact this.

12 million reasons eh

5 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Maybe the youngsters know something we don't and have hope for the future.

🙏🏻🙏🏻

It’s always easier looking in from the outside then speculating, especially when we’re losing. The kids clearly know/see things that engender hope and positivity.

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

12 million reasons eh

I don’t know what you mean 🤷‍♀️

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not one game though, it's consistently poor performances and a downward trend. 5 losses to start the season isn't one game, the way we finished the 2nd half of last year isn't one game. Losing to Saints, Port and Suns in the fashion we did in the last month isn't one game.

In my view there are plenty of valid mitigating circumstances that have have lead us from the first half of last season to where we are now.

If seeing it that way, rather than buying into the constant hand wringing sessions that dominates most discussion makes me a "happy clapper" (I assume that quip is just around the corner? Or maybe the old "supporters like me are what is wrong with this club"? ), then so be it.

Lets just leave it at that.

5 minutes ago, JTR said:

In my view there are plenty of valid mitigating circumstances that have have lead us from the first half of last season to where we are now.

If seeing it that way, rather than buying into the constant hand wringing sessions that dominates most discussion makes me a "happy clapper" (I assume that quip is just around the corner? Or maybe the old "supporters like me are what is wrong with this club"? ), then so be it.

Lets just leave it at that.

I'm an old supporter. 66.. 61 years a Dee.

You can mitigate all you want. Your prerogative.

I know a lame duck when I see one.

The only wringing I'd entertain is the necks of our Club's leaders as they sit on their collective arzes fiddling as Rome burns. Smiles and handshakes all round for the happy clappers.

I don't blame Goodwin, though I see him as complicit and accountable. I blame the club, for doing nothing. That would take fortitude. Not something we're known for.

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

I'm an old supporter. 66.. 61 years a Dee.

You can mitigate all you want. Your prerogative.

I know a lame duck when I see one.

The only wringing I'd entertain is the necks of our Club's leaders as they sit on their collective arzes fiddling as Rome burns. Smiles and handshakes all round for the happy clappers.

I don't blame Goodwin, though I see him as complicit and accountable. I blame the club, for doing nothing. That would take fortitude. Not something we're known for.

Interested to know if you trust this club to find someone better than Goodwin?

5 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

Interested to know if you trust this club to find someone better than Goodwin?

Not with the current management and lameduck board Idont

2 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

Interested to know if you trust this club to find someone better than Goodwin?

It's a very good question.

It might be seen as two and possibly that was your inference.

Is there someone better suited to our requirements going forward ( than SG) ? I fervently hope so or we're locked in a nightmarish loop.

Wiil/can the club determine how to do that and if so act upon that.

Actually a very good and vexing conundrum.

It would have to be taken as a given the club in current mode/guise has no appetite nor compulsion to do so. Probably wouldn't fart or sneeze lest it be seen to have done something.

It will fall to the incoming CEO & Pres to pull on the big boy pants.

I have no other option really but to trust them to do this.

Time will tell no doubt.

Good question 🤔 👏 😉

Edited July 5Jul 5 by beelzebub

5 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Again, it’s open to interpretation. I was expressing how I interpret it. You just expressed how you do.

You asked how lack of selection integrity could impact culture and then didn't like the answer you were given. Culture is not just about player happiness and retention, it's also about success. Lack of selection integrity is the start of standards slipping, accountability etc

Culture is the driver of performance, we can have players happy to be at the club, happy to be on the list, mates with the coach and feeling supported and failing to push themselves and performing like rubbish on gameday. Would you consider that a good culture?

2 hours ago, JTR said:

In my view there are plenty of valid mitigating circumstances that have have lead us from the first half of last season to where we are now.

If seeing it that way, rather than buying into the constant hand wringing sessions that dominates most discussion makes me a "happy clapper" (I assume that quip is just around the corner? Or maybe the old "supporters like me are what is wrong with this club"? ), then so be it.

Lets just leave it at that.

I didn't say any of those things but it's interesting you did. Sometimes there are mitigating circumstances for performance, in 2025 we have a healthy list, experienced players who should be in the prime of their careers and a coach who has been with the club for a decade so has been able to embed his leadership style and build the team the way he wants. The players no longer seem to be responding to his message, that doesn't mean the players are at fault, it doesn't necessarily mean the coa h is at fault or that the message is even wrong. It may just be stale and time for fresh voices. That includes Richo, Chaplin, Griffiths et al who have all been around a while now.

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

You asked how lack of selection integrity could impact culture and then didn't like the answer you were given

Except that’s NOT what I asked.

I asked a poster named SFebes what he meant by His selections fuel poor culture issues.

It’s not that I didn’t like the answers I was given, it’s that I don’t believe my question AS I ASKED IT was answered. I expect an answer from the poster who said it might be more relevant.