Imagine if his performance at parties was based on his demonland persona. That would be an interesting experience to say the least.

14 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

It’s actually rather ironic. When you’re faced with this sort of behaviour you’re the first to cry ‘bullying’, yet you seem to take no issue with being the biggest contrarian; or you’re just deliberately obtuse.

Hey leave my little sheet rack alone,she contributes more to this site than anyone let alone what she does for cheer squad and the MFC

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

[censored] that... pass mark was finals this year

Nah.

3 minutes ago, ghost who walks said:

Hey leave my little sheet rack alone,she contributes more to this site than anyone let alone what she does for cheer squad and the MFC

lol, okay mate.

1 minute ago, BLWNBA said:

lol, okay mate.

WHATS SO FUNNY

If the rumours about Jackson are true, one of the reasons why he might like to come back is because he maintains a good relationship with Goody.

Coming into the year I thought we can recover and play finals but I thought this list was past a flag run.

So my big test for Goodwin was more around the relationships at the club and keeping the right people happy, and recovering the Petracca situation.

Despite the rumblings - I think CP5 is back on track and our lowly position is more about injuries, and our lack of executing our new game plan due to skill level and normal teething issues.

So I am ambivalent on Goodwin. He is not a cancer so if he stays I don’t mind - however, this list shouldn’t be 3-6 so I can get why a decision would be made to move on.

12 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Coming into the year I thought we can recover and play finals but I thought this list was past a flag run.

So my big test for Goodwin was more around the relationships at the club and keeping the right people happy, and recovering the Petracca situation.

Despite the rumblings - I think CP5 is back on track and our lowly position is more about injuries, and our lack of executing our new game plan due to skill level and normal teething issues.

So I am ambivalent on Goodwin. He is not a cancer so if he stays I don’t mind - however, this list shouldn’t be 3-6 so I can get why a decision would be made to move on.

How do you view the culmination of the post flag-era and the role of Goodwin? Do you lean towards that the culmination of failings, coupled with a likely bottom four finish this year, mean Goodwin’s position is untenable? Or do you think we tread water until a suitable replacement is found, even if that means Goodwin coaches next year too?

Genuine question, this isn’t a smartass reply.

31 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Nah.

There is no way in the world a bottom eight finish is considered a pass. As it is we'll more than likely finish bottom 4.

Two words

ABJECT FAILURE

You do NOT reward failure.

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

There is no way in the world a bottom eight finish is considered a pass. As it is we'll more than likely finish bottom 4.

Two words

ABJECT FAILURE

You do NOT reward failure.

We are at Round 9.

If we were to finish bottom 4 Goodwin would be lucky to stay, that’s just the reality of being a coach with a relatively strong list.

4 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The 7 Hawthorn players that would easily play in Hawthorn's first final that didn't play on Saturday are:

Day, Scrimshaw, Nash, Lewis, Dear, McKenzie and Barrass.

I've asked Hawthorn supporting friends and colleagues and then checked on the Hawks Bigfooty Forum. They were all in furious agreement that all those players are clear best 23, or in Lewis's case best 23 when fit.

Lewis hasn't played consistent footy in 2 years.

How is he a major out?

The far bigger priority heading into 2026 is to bring a top quality footy manager into the fold.

This will have a significant impact on all aspects of the footy department, including game plan, coaching, fitness, list management and drafting. Which is basically a combination of all the things everyone on Demonland loves to [censored] about.

A change of senior coach will not have as much impact.

13 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

If we were to finish bottom 4 Goodwin would be lucky to stay, that’s just the reality of being a coach with a relatively strong list.

I agree.

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

The far bigger priority heading into 2026 is to bring a top quality footy manager into the fold.

This will have a significant impact on all aspects of the footy department, including game plan, coaching, fitness, list management and drafting. Which is basically a combination of all the things everyone on Demonland loves to [censored] about.

A change of senior coach will not have as much impact.

Why not both.... and keep going ?

Serious suggestion

16 hours ago, Roost it far said:

There wasn’t a lot of nuance to his post. The fact a percentage of our supporters aren’t rabid ferals who’s only joy is football isn’t why we didn’t win multiple flags and you know that. I get the frustration but flags are hard to win.

My biggest worry is that members are voting with their feet (and their wallets). Currently 51,872 - down 10,400 from this time last year. That is extremely worrying - surely the biggest drop-off in nominal or percentage terms for AFL clubs. I hear the Club has stopped doing volunteer member call-outs. Are we just waiting for things to turn around on the field? What happened to our Member Engagement Committee? - supposedly a key recommendation from last year's "external governance review"? We probably all know someone who may have dropped off the list so engagement with existing members may encourage the "leavers' to re-sign?

Just now, beelzebub said:

Why not both.... and keep going ?

Serious suggestion

Because replacing a senior coach, especially a senior coach who is loved and respected by his playing group, and who has won a flag, with an unknown proposition, more often than not leads to going backwards on the field. While that is not always the case, it certainly is the stronger odds.

Whereas replacing a footy manager who can really align and better all aspects of the footy department, and perhaps attract better fitness staff or assistant coaches, will have a more immediate and greater impact, with a far lower risk of causing turmoil within the playing group.

The impact that even Yze, as a senior assistant, made to our club in 2021 was immediate and significant. I believe this can be true for a footy manager in 2026 too.

Edited May 14May 14 by Jaded No More

1 hour ago, ghost who walks said:

Hey leave my little sheet rack alone,she contributes more to this site than anyone let alone what she does for cheer squad and the MFC

Oh dear it's a cheer squad love in.

10 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Because replacing a senior coach, especially a senior coach who is loved and respected by his playing group, and who has won a flag, with an unknown proposition, more often than not leads to going backwards on the field. While that is not always the case, it certainly is the stronger odds.

Whereas replacing a footy manager who can really align and better all aspects of the footy department, and perhaps attract better fitness staff or assistant coaches, will have a more immediate and greater impact, with a far lower risk of causing turmoil within the playing group.

The impact that even Yze, as a senior assistant, made to our club in 2021 was immediate and significant. I believe this can be true for a footy manager in 2026 too.

Really hurting the Suns eh

Ppl need to get over this ridiculous supposition an AFL is some sort of social construct. It's a professional sporting BUSINESS.

Local footy clubs are social entities. AFL is for those in big boys pants and if any and all can't abide by the expectations and rewards/redundancy that they demand then they're in the wrong business, or certainly the wrong level.

All these changes would have to depend on length of contract in all these positions.

• Simon Goodwin End of contract 2026

• Selwyn Griffiths End of contract?

• Alan Richardson End of contract?

• Anybody Else feel free to fit in.

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

Really hurting the Suns eh

Ppl need to get over this ridiculous supposition an AFL is some sort of social construct. It's a professional sporting BUSINESS.

Local footy clubs are social entities. AFL is for those in big boys pants and if any and all can't abide by the expectations and rewards/redundancy that they demand then they're in the wrong business, or certainly the wrong level.

Notice how I mentioned an unknown quantity?

Suns were very lucky to land a 3 time premiership coach. But guess what, a 4 time premiership coach hasn’t helped North.

If we could replace Goodwin with a proven leader, then of course you’d consider it. But the reality is that most of the options out there are unknown and could just as much be the next Neeld as they could be the next McRae.

Would you want to bring in Hinkley who with arguably a better list has won 0 flags? Or Horse who, with all the academy talent he got, won as many flags as Goodwin has?

The grass is not always greener, and it’s easy to lose sight of how many coaches there are in the AFL right now who have achieved a lot less than Goodwin. Even with better lists or better advantages from the league.

Edited May 14May 14 by Jaded No More

3 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

All these changes would have to depend on length of contract in all these positions.

• Simon Goodwin End of contract 2026

• Selwyn Griffiths End of contract?

• Alan Richardson End of contract?

• Anybody Else feel free to fit in.

I’m agnostic on Richardson to a degree, but I think the other two a spot on (obviously an exception would apply if Goodwin miraculously turned our fortunes around, I just don’t see that happening at all).

Griffiths is a must though; injury management, rehabilitation and physical performances seem to have been significantly detrimentally effected since he has taken the reigns.

1 minute ago, BLWNBA said:

I’m agnostic on Richardson to a degree,

You don't there is proof he exists??

*Sorry, I'll leave now.

35 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Lewis hasn't played consistent footy in 2 years.

How is he a major out?

True, but if fit and available he'd be their number 1 key forward. I'm sure Hawthorn are planning for Lewis in September.

30 minutes ago, Harvey Wallbanger said:

My biggest worry is that members are voting with their feet (and their wallets). Currently 51,872 - down 10,400 from this time last year. That is extremely worrying - surely the biggest drop-off in nominal or percentage terms for AFL clubs.

We had the biggest drop off members in 2024.

Two years in a row is a massive concern.

18 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Notice how I mentioned an unknown quantity?

Suns were very lucky to land a 3 time premiership coach. But guess what, a 4 time premiership coach hasn’t helped North.

If we could replace Goodwin with a proven leader, then of course you’d consider it. But the reality is that most of the options out there are unknown and could just as much be the next Neeld as they could be the next McRae.

Would you want to bring in Hinkley who with arguably a better list has won 0 flags? Or Horse who, with all the academy talent he got, won as many flags as Goodwin has?

The grass is not always greener, and it’s easy to lose sight of how many coaches there are in the AFL right now who have achieved a lot less than Goodwin. Even with better lists or better advantages from the league.

You actually highlight the implied message though the answer may not necessarily be a 3 times flag winner.

In the case of the Suns their trajectory was 'this tain not going ( well going nowhere of interest) " Then along came someone with a different approach and different style and has crafted a very different team out of essentially the same ( in the main ) list.

There is the guts of a decent list at Melbourne, though there's some decent pruning that could be had. It's more about what one person envisions and builds as opposed another.

I don't think anyone is suggesting SG can't coach but it certainly appears from my seat that he's exhausted what works, as he can create it. There has always been some interesting aspects to his approach. Some were cruelly erased the AFL and rules. Some are again effective but only as components of a game plan. An entire one that works well and consistently is absent.

What once worked now doesn't. Perhaps it was only ever going to achieve success for a limited period and that's passed. Bit like fashion in a way.