Just wondering about people's thoughts on Jack Bell? Been good recently and could be a smokey for the mid season draft considering Collingwood is crying out for a ruckman. They could do a lot worse.

6 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Just wondering about people's thoughts on Jack Bell? Been good recently and could be a smokey for the mid season draft considering Collingwood is crying out for a ruckman. They could do a lot worse.

 

6 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Just wondering about people's thoughts on Jack Bell? Been good recently and could be a smokey for the mid season draft considering Collingwood is crying out for a ruckman. They could do a lot worse.

I think he is showing improvement….maybe a rookie ?      Ferris- White , where is he currently playing ?

On 4/16/2023 at 4:06 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

would like to see Shache ruck for the whole last quarter

He played well. Might be a chance again in AFL…could replace a couple .Brown and TMac .

9 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

Sestan’s size and body shape remind me a lot of Allen Jakovich.  If he turns out to be half as good at football, it will be another recruiting master stroke by Jason Taylor.

Agreed... hanging out to watch him live.

Game's obviously changed a fair bit from back then DOF.  Alot less space to lead into.  So much defensive running going on now.

Jakovich was pretty quick over the first 10 - 20 meters also if my memory serves me well. 

May take a season or two to build a tank but there's certainly something there.  Time will tell where that something goes eh.

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by Demon Dynasty

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Agreed... hanging out to watch him live.

Game's obviously changed a fair bit from back then DOF.  Alot less space to lead into.  So much defensive running going on now.

Jakovich was pretty quick over the first 10 - 20 meters also if my memory serves me well. 

May take a season or two to build a tank but there's certainly something there.  Time will tell where that something goes eh.

Like you, I see Sestan as very low risk, potentially very high ceiling.  Trust in JT.

18 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Just wondering about people's thoughts on Jack Bell? Been good recently and could be a smokey for the mid season draft considering Collingwood is crying out for a ruckman. They could do a lot worse.

Developing quite rapidly W, particularly from 2nd half of last season onwards from what im seeing.

His game at the hanger on Sunday, more so his second half, was outstanding for mine and along with Harmes i felt he was the difference on the day.  Laurie & Dunstan also impacted.

Im assuming you saw this one anyway but just my view.

Would say he's not that far away (as in another pre-season or so to build up the extra strength/running) but could also push up to the AFL now for short stints off the bench in the odd game here & there as long as he wasn't being asked to play every game for half a season or so.

Similarities to McInerney IMHO.

Edited April 18, 20233 yr by Demon Dynasty

On 4/17/2023 at 9:52 PM, WERRIDEE said:

Just wondering about people's thoughts on Jack Bell?

The cliché that big men take time to develop could apply. Saints had him listed as a rookie a few seasons back. So his opportunities and progress may have been stifled by Covid-19. Didn't get the opportunity to play in Casey's premiership team last season with Sam Weideman being preferred. Best all round performance I can recall for Casey from Jack. Not satisfied with just being a tap ruckman, his game is showing definite signs of becoming more rounded. With his clearance work from the centre bounce, boundary throw-ins and ball ups a highlight in this game. Plus he reads the flight of the ball and positions himself well around the ground to assist his team mates, commencing or participating in chains of possession. Kicking that last goal of the match for Casey was the 'cherry on top'. If Jack can maintain this form he will certainly be on the recruitment radar.

Edited April 19, 20233 yr by Tarax Club

Essendon 5.12 (42) def by Casey Demons 12.10 (82)
10 Bailey Laurie (CD)
8 James Harmes (CD)
5 Ben Hobbs (ESS)
4 Josh Schache (CD)
2 Daniel Turner (CD)
1 Stefan Rasinac (ESS)

LEADERBOARD

28 James Cousins (WIL)
21 Paddy Dow (CAR)
21 Rhys Mathieson (BL)
20 Bailey Laurie (CD)
19 Callum Brown (BHH)
19 Marty Hore (WIL)
18 Jye Chalcraft (GC)
18 Ben Hobbs (ESS)
16 Jacob Dawson (SS)
16 Luke Dunstan (CD)
16 Brodie McLaughlin (GCS)

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Essendon 5.12 (42) def by Casey Demons 12.10 (82)
10 Bailey Laurie (CD)
8 James Harmes (CD)
5 Ben Hobbs (ESS)
4 Josh Schache (CD)
2 Daniel Turner (CD)
1 Stefan Rasinac (ESS)

LEADERBOARD

28 James Cousins (WIL)
21 Paddy Dow (CAR)
21 Rhys Mathieson (BL)
20 Bailey Laurie (CD)
19 Callum Brown (BHH)
19 Marty Hore (WIL)
18 Jye Chalcraft (GC)
18 Ben Hobbs (ESS)
16 Jacob Dawson (SS)
16 Luke Dunstan (CD)
16 Brodie McLaughlin (GCS)

Great to see Marty right up there. 

Really rated him as a decent medium tall prospect down back provided he could clean up his decision making / disposal.

Not sure we persevered enough but anyways.

Disco not that dissimilar?

On 4/17/2023 at 7:06 PM, Demon Dynasty said:

  So far in season 2023 - Ranked equal 4th lowest turnover player (out of 29) based on match averages (excludes Laurie who has not played a full match yet)...

Player	TO	Rank
Max Gawn *	6.00	1
C Petracca	5.80	2
J Jordan > *	5.73	3
C Oliver	5.60	4
Steven May	4.67	5
L Hunter	4.40	6
Jack Viney	4.25	7
Jake Lever	3.75	8
E Langdon	3.60	9
Judd McVee	3.60	9
T Sparrow	3.40	11
A Tomlinson	3.33	12
A Brayshaw	3.00	13
Ben Brown #	3.00	13
M Hibberd < *	2.91	15
Trent Rivers	2.80	16
J Melksham >	2.71	17
J Van Rooyen #	2.67	18
A N-Bullen	2.60	19
B Grundy #	2.60	19
Jake Bowey	2.40	21
B Fritsch	2.25	22
J Harmes	2.00	23
K Chandler	2.00	23
K Pickett	2.00	23
C Spargo <	1.83	26
T McDonald #	1.75	27
H Petty #	1.40	28
B Laurie < *	0.00	29

Note:  An asterisk indicates less than two matches in total - not an average for comparative purposes

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i'd prefer to see turnrovers per disposal rather than just straight turnovers

higher possession players are going to have higher turnovers in general

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i'd prefer to see turnrovers per disposal rather than just straight turnovers

higher possession players are going to have higher turnovers in general

Yes true DC.  Can be done as a percentage i guess.

The other cheap way of doing it is to categorise into rough positions and only compare like with like.

Obviously it is unfair to compare a Bowey to say Clarry, Tracc or Viney in the turnover stakes.

However his turnover count is def more relative to May's, Lever's, Rivers', Hibb's etc.

Having said that.... you can't get much lower than 4th lowest!  Albeit it's only based on two matches so far.  Probably need at least 5 to 6 to be a bit more robust as a guide.

Edited April 19, 20233 yr by Demon Dynasty

On 4/17/2023 at 6:30 AM, DeeSpencer said:

 

Deak Smith shut down Walla and used the ball better this week.

Thanks for the info. Any idea if they are trying to develop Deak to be a lock-down defender? Was drafted as more of an outside mid, from memory.

Thought he did a great job