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Oh bother I forgot to ask:

Why on earth would you start the @#$! quarter with both Clarrie and Kossie on the bench?

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    8 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    Oh bother I forgot to ask:

    Why on earth would you start the @#$! quarter with both Clarrie and Kossie on the bench?

    We did talk a bit about Clarry spending a chunk of time on the bench in the 2nd quarter and his return fresh coincided with our wrestling control back and putting the pedal down.

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    1 hour ago, Demonland said:

    We did talk a bit about Clarry spending a chunk of time on the bench in the 2nd quarter and his return fresh coincided with our wrestling control back and putting the pedal down.

    And there is the answer 

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    3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    Here are the stats I used on the show to highlight that period where we took back control of the match and put the Bulldogs to the sword. I believe this coincided with Clarry coming back on the ground fresh.

     

    I saw those stats come up late in the game. 
    Fresh Guns off the Bench

    If we stay fit this year, we will be a nightmare to 17 clubs

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    23 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

    Tomlinson for May.
    Laurie for Viney.
    Pickett for Fritta.
    McVee for Salem.

    If only it were that easy.

    Giving Salem a half in the VFL coukd be worth it, and May another week.  But the training staff will know how they are travelling. 

    I think McVee is very important to our defensive set up.  Allowing our other HB to become play makers.  Maybe Harmes makes way.  If it's 4 changes

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    1 hour ago, Demonland said:

    I believe this coincided with Clarry coming back on the ground fresh.

    Perhaps if Clarrie and Kossie were on the ground in the first place we didnt need to 'come back'.

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    28 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    Perhaps if Clarrie and Kossie were on the ground in the first place we didnt need to 'come back'.

    Kozzie kicked the first goal 

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    Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

    Kozzie kicked the first goal 

    Yep I was talking about the 2nd quarter when Clarrie and Kossie started on the bench and we couldnt get them on as the Dogs had the play on the far side of the ground.

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    38 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    Yep I was talking about the 2nd quarter when Clarrie and Kossie started on the bench and we couldnt get them on as the Dogs had the play on the far side of the ground.

    We will be resting players, so that anomaly will happen sporadically. 

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    41 minutes ago, Jontee said:

    Yep I was talking about the 2nd quarter when Clarrie and Kossie started on the bench and we couldnt get them on as the Dogs had the play on the far side of the ground.

    They were trying to get Clarry on for awhile but as you said the ball was on the other side of the ground for a long time. The rule limiting the times that the runner can come onto the ground costs you in those situations. The couple of runners who couldn't keep themselves out of the action really spoiled it for everyone.

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    Half way through the ep. Reading from the same hymn book as Binman when it comes to set shots. I don't hate Chandler's technique but I knew during that run up at 3 qtr time that he was going to spray it as he never looked confident.

    Couldn't agree more with Max's kicking as well. Boy did he flush that one from the pocket, ball drop was good too!

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    The guys mentioned the criteria for pressure acts, these are the official definitions from Champion Data for anyone interested:

    Pressure Act (Corralling): The lowest form of pressure a player can apply, where they are simply occupying space in front of the ball carrier to prevent them moving forward, or have a run at them, but not quickly enough to record ‘closing’ pressure.

    Pressure Act (Chasing): Where a player applies pressure from behind an opponent by chasing. They must be gaining ground or applying pressure significant enough to hurry the ball carrier to dispose of the ball. If the chasing player is on the verge of making physical contact from behind, then closing pressure will be imminent.

    Pressure Act (Closing): A higher degree of pressure than corralling, where the pressure player is on the verge of making contact with the ball carrier (either from in front or the side) as he disposals of the ball. The key point of difference between this and corralling is that there will be imminent contact and the pressure player is forcing the ball carrier to dispose of it immediately.

    Pressure Act (Physical): Applying direct physical contact to a player in the act of disposing of the ball or effecting a tackle that prevents an effective disposal from the ball carrier.

    Point structure for weighted pressure ratings:

    Corralling - 1.2 points

    Chasing - 1.5 points

    Closing - 2.25 points

    Physical - 3.75 points

     

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    17 minutes ago, layzie said:

    The guys mentioned the criteria for pressure acts, these are the official definitions from Champion Data for anyone interested:

    Pressure Act (Corralling): The lowest form of pressure a player can apply, where they are simply occupying space in front of the ball carrier to prevent them moving forward, or have a run at them, but not quickly enough to record ‘closing’ pressure.

    Pressure Act (Chasing): Where a player applies pressure from behind an opponent by chasing. They must be gaining ground or applying pressure significant enough to hurry the ball carrier to dispose of the ball. If the chasing player is on the verge of making physical contact from behind, then closing pressure will be imminent.

    Pressure Act (Closing): A higher degree of pressure than corralling, where the pressure player is on the verge of making contact with the ball carrier (either from in front or the side) as he disposals of the ball. The key point of difference between this and corralling is that there will be imminent contact and the pressure player is forcing the ball carrier to dispose of it immediately.

    Pressure Act (Physical): Applying direct physical contact to a player in the act of disposing of the ball or effecting a tackle that prevents an effective disposal from the ball carrier.

    Point structure for weighted pressure ratings:

    Corralling - 1.2 points

    Chasing - 1.5 points

    Closing - 2.25 points

    Physical - 3.75 points

     

    Fabulous info. Is very subjective obviously, but makes me wonder who (and how many) are studying the game to rack up the tally? 

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    2 minutes ago, Webber said:

    Fabulous info. Is very subjective obviously, but makes me wonder who (and how many) are studying the game to rack up the tally? 

    Great info!  Thanks, Layzie!

    I also wonder if it depends on unique instances or consecutive acts? Eg there might a second or two of chasing but then it clearly ends in physical.  Would that count as one or two pressure acts, if it is all part of one continuous play?

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    6 minutes ago, Webber said:

    Fabulous info. Is very subjective obviously, but makes me wonder who (and how many) are studying the game to rack up the tally? 

    Yeah it's open to a lot of interpretation, I'm not sure how quickly they get it done or when they do it but certainly not as simple as counting other stats.

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    8 minutes ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

    Great info!  Thanks, Layzie!

    I also wonder if it depends on unique instances or consecutive acts? Eg there might a second or two of chasing but then it clearly ends in physical.  Would that count as one or two pressure acts, if it is all part of one continuous play?

    Good point, I imagine there would be a 'highest act trumps all' rule in a situation like that but that's just a guess. 

    I also wonder if Kozzie's bump could be considered a physical pressure act 😛

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    4 minutes ago, layzie said:

    Yeah it's open to a lot of interpretation, I'm not sure how quickly they get it done or when they do it but certainly not as simple as counting other stats.

    There's a pressure number commentators like to mention during games (the one where the league average is 180).  If it's the same one as this it's pretty much in real time which is quite extraodinary given how specific and subjective it is.

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    36 minutes ago, layzie said:

    The guys mentioned the criteria for pressure acts, these are the official definitions from Champion Data for anyone interested:

    Pressure Act (Corralling): The lowest form of pressure a player can apply, where they are simply occupying space in front of the ball carrier to prevent them moving forward, or have a run at them, but not quickly enough to record ‘closing’ pressure.

    Pressure Act (Chasing): Where a player applies pressure from behind an opponent by chasing. They must be gaining ground or applying pressure significant enough to hurry the ball carrier to dispose of the ball. If the chasing player is on the verge of making physical contact from behind, then closing pressure will be imminent.

    Pressure Act (Closing): A higher degree of pressure than corralling, where the pressure player is on the verge of making contact with the ball carrier (either from in front or the side) as he disposals of the ball. The key point of difference between this and corralling is that there will be imminent contact and the pressure player is forcing the ball carrier to dispose of it immediately.

    Pressure Act (Physical): Applying direct physical contact to a player in the act of disposing of the ball or effecting a tackle that prevents an effective disposal from the ball carrier.

    Point structure for weighted pressure ratings:

    Corralling - 1.2 points

    Chasing - 1.5 points

    Closing - 2.25 points

    Physical - 3.75 points

     

    Thank you. I'm pretty sure we have discussed this in the past and even had stats and charts but my memory is a sieve these days unless it relates to random Dees players that played for 5 minutes in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.

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    When our team was selected before this game I was a bit surprised by the inclusion of both Tomlinson and Laurie

    Both really didn't show much form to warrant selection in the praccy games IMHO

    However, Tommo surprised everyone I think with his performance and Laurie certainly had some nice cameos

    What occurred to me is that we really do have some excellent depth on the list and maybe we can emulate Geelong from last season by rotating some less experienced players through the team during the season to 

    1. give them a taste of the big time (invaluable)

    2. give some of our more senior guys a bit of a chop out and rest to recover from any niggles

    It's the reason I would be surprised if all 4 premiership players missing from round 1 were selected this week

    Be interested in your thoughts on this going forward

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    Whilst Pressure Acts might make up a stat they are also subjective as to whether the stat actually had a positive or zero effect. Just because you are chasing someone doesn't necessarily mean you are applying pressure. There might even be a case to make that that player was second to the footy and has just been chasing tail all day. I'm not suggesting that this is always the case. The points system above helps in weighting the pressure as higher the closer the player gets to the target.

    Whilst pressure is very important and absolutely has to be applied when you don't have the footy but I would prefer to be the ones with footy in hand.

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    Here is some of the FoxFooty team discussing the Pressure Gauge and showing examples.

    As they say in Vietnam, "Same, same but different"

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