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Just on scores from ball ups, how is that measured exactly? Because Crisp's goal in the 1st and Daicos' goal in the 4th were both from ball ups.

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6 hours ago, A F said:

Just on scores from ball ups, how is that measured exactly? Because Crisp's goal in the 1st and Daicos' goal in the 4th were both from ball ups.

Crisp’s was from a boundary throw in.

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Melbourne v Collingwood

Pressure

Q1: 176 - 180
Q2: 174 - 172
Q3: 201 - 206
Q4: 186 - 177
Tot: 183 - 186

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Petracca: 74
Viney: 65
Neal-Bullen: 59
Pickett: 43
Sparrow: 40
Chandler: 40
Langdon: 40
van Rooyen: 37
Brayshaw: 33

Time in forward half

58% - 42%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 55% - 45%
Q2: 50% - 50%
Q3: 66% - 34%
Q4: 63% - 37%

Expected Scores

84 - 64

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47 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Crisp’s was from a boundary throw in.

I've got a great memory, don't I? :P

Interesting on the third quarter pressure rating. That surprises me.

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13 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Collingwood

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231308

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Not available until tomorrow.

Q1: ? - ?
Q2: ? - ?
Q3: ? - ?
Q4: ? - ?
Tot: ? - ?

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Not available until tomorrow.

Time in forward half

Not available until tomorrow.

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 55% - 45%
Q2: 50% - 50%
Q3: 66% - 34%
Q4: 63% - 37%

Score sources

Centre bounce
2.0.12 - 0.0.0

Ball up
0.4.4 - 1.1.7

Throw in
0.0.0 - 1.0.6

Turnover
6.14.50 - 7.7.49

Kick-in
0.0.0 - 0.0.0

Shots at goal

Set position
7.10.52 - 3.4.22

General play
1.4.10 - 6.2.38

Expected Scores

Not available until tomorrow.

Centre Bounce Attendances

         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         

Ruck Contests

         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         

Hit outs

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To Adv. To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Brodie Grundy 42 26 5 33.2 30.2
Max Gawn 37 17 6 31.0 33.6
Jacob van Rooyen 5 3 0 16.0  
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Harrison Petty       22.2  
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3
Josh Schache         33.3

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

Thanks WO.  You wouldn't have hit outs to adv from yesterday for the Pies by any chance?

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1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Thanks WO.  You wouldn't have hit outs to adv from yesterday for the Pies by any chance?

I can get the Pies hit outs to advantage. Would you like Melbourne's opponents' HO to advantage each week from now on?

1 hour ago, binman said:

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There are a few sources for expected scores - the figures I quoted are from the Herald Sun which are provided by Champion Data. They would be the most reliable as they capture the pressure on the player at the time of the kick. The AFLxScore and crow_data_sci twitter profiles both calculate Expected Scores based on the information available to them, which only use a proxy for pressure as the pressure information is not available to them.

For example, you can use the fact that a player won a contested possession as a proxy for the amount of pressure they were under, but it won't accurately reflect the pressure they were under when they kicked the ball, only when they gained possession. A player could get an uncontested possession, then run into traffic and kick for goal under pressure. CD would rate this as a more difficult kick than AFLxScore.

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16 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

I can get the Pies hit outs to advantage. Would you like Melbourne's opponents' HO to advantage each week from now on?

If it involves a bit of extra work no need

I'll only look to post Oppo player ratings if it's a big top liner opponent like the Pies this week.

So will only be occasionally on request if that's easier for you.

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20 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

I can get the Pies hit outs to advantage. Would you like Melbourne's opponents' HO to advantage each week from now on?

There are a few sources for expected scores - the figures I quoted are from the Herald Sun which are provided by Champion Data. They would be the most reliable as they capture the pressure on the player at the time of the kick. The AFLxScore and crow_data_sci twitter profiles both calculate Expected Scores based on the information available to them, which only use a proxy for pressure as the pressure information is not available to them.

For example, you can use the fact that a player won a contested possession as a proxy for the amount of pressure they were under, but it won't accurately reflect the pressure they were under when they kicked the ball, only when they gained possession. A player could get an uncontested possession, then run into traffic and kick for goal under pressure. CD would rate this as a more difficult kick than AFLxScore.

Thanks wheelo - makes sense.

But for the purposes of my over under competion (that i was the only competitor in), i'm using them just this once because they make my prediction look really good. 

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14 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

If it involves a bit of extra work no need

I'll only look to post Oppo player ratings if it's a big top liner opponent like the Pies this week.

So will only be occasionally on request if that's easier for you.

I'm going to try to automate these posts as much as possible, so I should be able to quite easily incorporate the opponents' HO to advantage each week with no ongoing effort.

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5 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

If it involves a bit of extra work no need

I'll only look to post Oppo player ratings if it's a big top liner opponent like the Pies this week.

So will only be occasionally on request if that's easier for you.

 

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To Adv.
Darcy Cameron 60 13 1
Mason Cox 24 12 3
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21 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Ball up
0.4.4 - 1.1.7

Throw in
0.0.0 - 1.0.6

We know both of these goals were from defensive 50 stoppages. Given our shocking record in that statistic has been a talking point this year do you have an easy way to note that going forward, will be interesting to see if improves over the back half of the season.  

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1 hour ago, WheeloRatings said:

 

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To Adv.
Darcy Cameron 60 13 1
Mason Cox 24 12 3

The pies only had four hitouts to advantage?

That's nuts.

Hard to get territory if you can't hit to your own players.

There's only so many oppo ruck taps teams can shark.

On that, my sense is we were better at ensuring the blues and pies couldn't shark our rack taps.

We gave up a few of them against port and freo - and rhe hawks for that matter too.

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3 minutes ago, binman said:

The pies only had four hitouts to advantage?

That's nuts.

Hard to get territory if you can't hit to your own players.

There's only so many oppo ruck taps teams can shark.

On that, my sense is we were better at ensuring the blues and pies couldn't shark our rack taps.

We gave up a few of them against port and freo - and rhe hawks for that matter too.

It seemed to the eye that much of the time in the past fortnight, Max was rucking more like Grundy, and that is to drop it at the foot of the contest.

I reckon Yze (and or Stafford - has he still got the rucks as well as forwards?) should get a fair bit of credit for our midfield work in the last fortnight too. Really good stuff considering Clarry's absence.

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Round 13, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Magpies

Team rating was 13% off last season's Rating and 9% off this season's average.  The effect of a long half season and quality of the opposition i suspect.  Clarry out takes something off also.  Or are both teams' form coming off the boil a little?  Best guess most likely the former.

The two team ratings appearing to reflect what a close match this was (scoreboard wise).  Add 4 to 6 goals for us if we happened to have kicked 'ok' and our rating would've jumped ahead somewhat.

What a game from Captain courageous, oops i mean Vice Captain courageous!   Oh bugger he's just one bloody courageous champ is our Jack.

His second time taking out the No.1 mantle so far this season.  His other was Anzac eve vs the Tigers in Rnd 6 with a 5.400

His best rating since Rnd 9 2022 vs the Eagles where he posted a 6.550

22 effectives @ 69%, 9 clearances (most on the day), 1 rebound, 6 i50s, 11 tackles (equal best with Crisp) including 3 inside 50 (2nd most of either team to ANB with 4), 7 score involvements (equal best alongside Fritsch & Crisp), 481 meters gained, 1 goal and just 4 turnovers.

Vintage Salem & Hibberd in this match and Tomo also very impressive for mine.

Very low rating for Hibbo which is so far away from what he achieved on the day.  He was rock solid and this rating in no way reflects the value he brought imv and an indication of the game's nuances that need to be seen in person and/or on the box to appreciate.

The two concerns in these results... Kozzy posting a consecutive super low result.  Last week 0.800 against the Blues.  Neither were his lowest this season however, which was Anzac eve with a 0.550  Not sure what happened to the form he showed in Rnd 1.

The other is Spargo.  His average rating prior to his concussion was 2.131 which was approx 7% up on his 2022 rating.  Post concussion he's played 4.5 matches for an average rating of 1.944   That's 8.8% off the pre concussion average.  However still only marginally off his 2022 average by only 2%.  Wonder if he's still having some issues post concussion?

Top 5 Meters Gained (both teams):  Hunter 610, Maynard 569, Viney & Crisp 481 and Noble 455.

Demons

Scoring Efficiency  
Disposals Per Goal  44.12
% In50s Goal 13.60
Conversion % 30.80

Same Goals as a % of Inside 50s as the previous match against the Blues!  The two lowest results for the season.  Our average prior to the last two matches approx 26%.  A 50% drop off.  The buy arriving just in time for some much needed respite?

Player Rating Rank
J Viney 6.125 1
C Salem 4.850 2
A Brayshaw 3.775 3
T Rivers 3.675 4
M Gawn 3.650 5
C Petracca 3.625 6
A Tomlinson 3.200 7
T Sparrow 3.100 8
B Grundy 2.850 9
S May 2.750 10
L Hunter 2.700 11
K Chandler 2.375 12
A N-Bullen 2.325 13
J Lever 2.200 14
J Smith 2.175 15
J McVee 2.025 16
B Fritsch 1.775 17
E Langdon 1.525 18
J Jordon > 24% 1.400 19
J V Rooyen 1.350 20
C Spargo < 52% 1.200 21
M Hibberd 1.200 21
K Pickett 0.875 23
Team Rating 59.85  
Top 6 25.70  
Bottom 6 8.45  

 

Magpies

Scoring Efficiency

 
Disposals Per Goal  40.56
% In50s Goal 18.40
Conversion %

52.90

Player Rating Rank
T Mitchell  4.825 1
J Crisp  4.625 2
N Daicos  4.350 3
T Adams  4.300 4
B Maynard  3.800 5
D Cameron  3.425 6
D Moore  3.250 7
B Frampton  3.175 8
S Pendlebury  3.100 9
H Harrison  2.950 10
I Quaynor  2.925 11
J Daicos  2.350 12
J Noble  2.175 13
P Lipinski  2.125 14
M Cox  2.050 15
B Hill  1.850 16
B Mihocek  1.850 16
N Murphy  1.825 18
W H-Elliott  1.625 19
B McCreery  1.525 20
O Markov > 30% 1.050 21
R McInnes  0.125 22
A Johnson < 54% 0.050 23
Team Rating 59.28  
Top 6 25.33  
Bottom 6 8.00  

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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1 hour ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

We know both of these goals were from defensive 50 stoppages. Given our shocking record in that statistic has been a talking point this year do you have an easy way to note that going forward, will be interesting to see if improves over the back half of the season.  

Yes, that is something I'm looking at and will try to incorporate it into the Stats Files update in the future.

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1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 13, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Magpies

Team rating was 13% off last season's Rating and 9% off this season's average.  The effect of a long half season and quality of the opposition i suspect.  Clarry out takes something off also.  Or are both teams' form coming off the boil a little?  Best guess most likely the former.

The two team ratings appearing to reflect what a close match this was (scoreboard wise).  Add 4 to 6 goals for us if we happened to have kicked 'ok' and our rating would've jumped ahead somewhat.

What a game from Captain courageous, oops i mean Vice Captain courageous!   Oh bugger he's just one bloody courageous champ is our Jack.

His second time taking out the No.1 mantle so far this season.  His other was Anzac eve vs the Tigers in Rnd 6 with a 5.400

His best rating since Rnd 9 2022 vs the Eagles where he posted a 6.550

22 effectives @ 69%, 9 clearances (most on the day), 1 rebound, 6 i50s, 11 tackles (equal best with Crisp) including 3 inside 50 (2nd most of either team to ANB with 4), 7 score involvements (equal best alongside Fritsch & Crisp), 481 meters gained, 1 goal and just 4 turnovers.

Vintage Salem & Hibberd in this match and Tomo also very impressive for mine.

Very low rating for Hibbo which is so far away from what he achieved on the day.  He was rock solid and this rating in no way reflects the value he brought imv and an indication of the game's nuances that need to be seen in person and/or on the box to appreciate.

The two concerns in these results... Kozzy posting a consecutive super low result.  Last week 0.800 against the Blues.  Neither were his lowest this season however, which was Anzac eve with a 0.550  Not sure what happened to the form he showed in Rnd 1.

The other is Spargo.  His average rating prior to his concussion was 2.131 which was approx 7% up on his 2022 rating.  Post concussion he's played 4.5 matches for an average rating of 1.944   That's 8.8% off the pre concussion average.  However still only marginally off his 2022 average by only 2%.  Wonder if he's still having some issues post concussion?

Top 5 Meters Gained (both teams):  Hunter 610, Maynard 569, Viney & Crisp 481 and Noble 455.

Demons

Scoring Efficiency  
Disposals Per Goal  44.12
% In50s Goal 13.60
Conversion % 30.80

Same Goals as a % of Inside 50s as the previous match against the Blues!  The two lowest results for the season.  Our average prior to the last two matches approx 26%.  A 50% drop off.  The buy arriving just in time for some much needed respite?

Player Rating Rank
J Viney 6.125 1
C Salem 4.850 2
A Brayshaw 3.775 3
T Rivers 3.675 4
M Gawn 3.650 5
C Petracca 3.625 6
A Tomlinson 3.200 7
T Sparrow 3.100 8
B Grundy 2.850 9
S May 2.750 10
L Hunter 2.700 11
K Chandler 2.375 12
A N-Bullen 2.325 13
J Lever 2.200 14
J Smith 2.175 15
J McVee 2.025 16
B Fritsch 1.775 17
E Langdon 1.525 18
J Jordon > 24% 1.400 19
J V Rooyen 1.350 20
C Spargo < 52% 1.200 21
M Hibberd 1.200 21
K Pickett 0.875 23
Team Rating 59.85  
Top 6 25.70  
Bottom 6 8.45  

 

Magpies

Scoring Efficiency

 
Disposals Per Goal  40.56
% In50s Goal 18.40
Conversion %

52.90

Player Rating Rank
T Mitchell  4.825 1
J Crisp  4.625 2
N Daicos  4.350 3
T Adams  4.300 4
B Maynard  3.800 5
D Cameron  3.425 6
D Moore  3.250 7
B Frampton  3.175 8
S Pendlebury  3.100 9
H Harrison  2.950 10
I Quaynor  2.925 11
J Daicos  2.350 12
J Noble  2.175 13
P Lipinski  2.125 14
M Cox  2.050 15
B Hill  1.850 16
B Mihocek  1.850 16
N Murphy  1.825 18
W H-Elliott  1.625 19
B McCreery  1.525 20
O Markov > 30% 1.050 21
R McInnes  0.125 22
A Johnson < 54% 0.050 23
Team Rating 59.28  
Top 6 25.33  
Bottom 6 8.00  

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Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

DD, I reckon a more useful stat to compare scoring efficiency accross games than % of inside 50s Goals is % In50s scoring shots.

Set shots accuracy can throw up anomalous results, not just missing heaps but a run of unsustainable accuracy like the pies kicking seven goals straight before registering their first miss the last time we played them.

 

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Team & Player Ratings to Rnd 13, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Player 2023 Rating 2023 Rank 2022 Rating % Change vs 2022 2022 Rank Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver 5.285 1 5.320 -0.66 1 0
C Petracca 4.767 2 4.456 6.98 2 0
A Brayshaw 3.817 3 3.839 -0.57 5 2
J Jordon > 3.734 4 3.164 18.02 9 5
Jack Viney 3.729 5 3.971 -6.09 3 -2
T Rivers < 3.664 6 2.423 51.22 18 12
C Salem 3.350 7 3.363 -0.39 7 0
Max Gawn 3.208 8 3.643 -11.94 8 0
Steven May 3.202 9 3.971 -19.37 3 -6
B Grundy 3.171 10 - - - -
T Sparrow 3.085 11 2.665 15.76 16 5
Jake Bowey < 3.078 12 2.856 7.77 13 1
L Hunter 2.996 13 - - - -
Ed Langdon 2.983 14 3.109 -4.05 11 -3
A Tomlinson 2.965 15 2.079 42.62 22 7
Jake Lever 2.954 16 2.703 9.29 14 -2
J Harmes > 2.938 17 3.082 -4.67 12 -5
A N-Bullen 2.721 18 2.688 1.23 15 -3
M Hibberd < 2.641 19 2.613 1.07 17 -2
K Chandler < 2.464 20 - - - -
H Petty < 2.432 21 2.392 1.67 19 -2
K Pickett 2.386 22 2.118 12.65 21 -1
B Fritsch 2.269 23 1.936 17.20 27 4
J V Rooyen 2.234 24 - - - -
Judd McVee 2.204 25 - - - -
T McDonald 2.054 26 1.967 4.42 26 0
Ben Brown < 2.033 27 1.762 15.38 29 2
C Spargo < 1.935 28 1.981 -2.32 24 -4
Joel Smith * 1.663 29 2.239 -25.73 20 -9
J Melksham > 1.437 30 1.947 -26.19 25 -5
J Schache * 1.375 31 - - - -
B Laurie < > * 1.300 32 - - - -
D Turner < * 1.075 33 - - - -
Team Rating 59.80   65.90 -9.26    

* Played less than two full matches (in total)

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Melbourne v Geelong (Round 15, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231501

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 66.6 61.7 +4.9
Kicking Efficiency 58.5 53.2 +5.3
Metres Gained 6206 6104 +102
Inside 50s 52 53 -1
Shots At Goal 22 26 -4
Shots Per Inside 50 42.3 49.1 -6.7
Contested Possessions 160 149 +11
Ground Ball Gets 106 104 +2
Intercepts 91 96 -5
Intercept Marks 23 19 +4
Centre Clearances 9 11 -2
Stoppage Clearances 38 24 +14
Contested Marks 10 12 -2
Marks Inside 50 8 12 -4
Hitouts 47 31 +16
Hitouts To Advantage 14 4 +10
Tackles 75 70 +5
Tackles Inside 50 19 8 +11
Def One On One Loss % 20.0 5.6 +14.4

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Against
1 183 206
2 224 175
3 214 197
4 163 204
Match 196 196

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average*
Christian Petracca 24 62 50.0
Jack Viney 23 54 52.8
Alex Neal-Bullen 20 51 49.1
Ed Langdon 26 50 28.2
Angus Brayshaw 24 50 26.6
Kysaiah Pickett 18 44 41.7
Christian Salem 20 39 31.8
Kade Chandler 17 37 32.7
Bayley Fritsch 15 37 20.4
Tom Sparrow 15 33 45.3
Lachie Hunter 14 32 23.5
Joel Smith 12 31 22.7
James Jordon 13 30 18.7
Trent Rivers 13 28 24.1
Judd McVee 12 26 19.4
Max Gawn 9 23 22.5
Jacob van Rooyen 10 22 24.8
Steven May 8 20 14.2
Harrison Petty 7 18 21.2
Michael Hibberd 6 16 12.2
Brodie Grundy 5 11 26.9
Charlie Spargo 4 9 23.9
Jake Lever 4 7 12.6

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 42% 58%
2 67% 33%
3 50% 50%
4 50% 50%
Match 55% 45%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarterly values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category For Against Diff
G B T G B T
Kick-in 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0
Centre Bounce 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1
Stoppage (Other) 4 6 30 3 1 19 +11
Turnover 4 8 32 8 9 57 -25
Category For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in 0 3.1 0 2.8
Centre Bounce 1 11.1 2 7.6
Stoppage (Other) 30 22.6 19 22.8
Turnover 32 56.1 57 39.3

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Geelong.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in D50 0 3.1 0 2.8
Centre Bounce Centre 1 11.1 2 7.6
Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.4 6 2.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.9 0 1.0
Stoppage (Other) Wing 19 11.3 7 6.6
Stoppage (Other) F50 11 7.9 6 12.9
Turnover D50 1 10.9 13 5.4
Turnover Centre 1 8.8 18 5.8
Turnover Wing 28 30.1 16 19.9
Turnover F50 2 6.3 10 8.2
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Centre 2 22.8 20 14.4
D50 1 14.5 19 10.5
F50 13 14.2 16 21.1
Wing 47 41.4 23 26.5

Shots at goal

Team Shots G B T Acc.
General Play
Melbourne 14 4 8 32 28.6
Geelong 12 5 6 36 41.7
Set Position
Melbourne 8 4 2 26 50.0
Geelong 14 6 4 40 42.9

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 %
Jack Viney 20 87 68.5 74.6
Christian Petracca 20 87 65.9 74.6
Max Gawn 15 65 47.0 65.5
Angus Brayshaw 13 57 16.1 16.0
Tom Sparrow 12 52 47.8 32.2
Brodie Grundy 8 35 57.1 83.7
James Jordon 3 13 19.0 0.2
Trent Rivers 1 4 4.5 0.0
Kysaiah Pickett 0 0 12.9 1.3
Jacob van Rooyen 0 0 5.3  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 3.7 3.5
Harrison Petty 0 0 1.2 0.0
Clayton Oliver     82.8 86.5
James Harmes     28.7 14.6
Tom McDonald     5.4 0.0
Josh Schache     0.0 13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 48 45 43.1 57.8
Brodie Grundy 42 40 50.5 77.4
Jacob van Rooyen 15 14 9.6  
Steven May 1 1 0.1 0.0
Harrison Petty 0 0 2.7 0.0
Christian Petracca 0 0 0.1 0.1
Tom McDonald     8.9 7.0
Josh Schache     6.7 13.4
Ben Brown     3.8 3.6
Clayton Oliver     0.0 0.0

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Max Gawn 48 23 8 31.4 33.6
Brodie Grundy 42 19 5 32.8 30.2
Jacob van Rooyen 15 5 1 16.7  
Harrison Petty 0 0 0 22.2  
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3
Josh Schache         33.3

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Rhys Stanley 85 26 3
Mark Blicavs 12 3 1
Tom Hawkins 9 2 0
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12 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Geelong (Round 15, 2023)

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231501

Key Team Stats

Stats highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Stat For Against Diff
Disposal Efficiency 66.6 61.7 +4.9
Kicking Efficiency 58.5 53.2 +5.3
Metres Gained 6206 6104 +102
Inside 50s 52 53 -1
Shots At Goal 22 26 -4
Shots Per Inside 50 42.3 49.1 -6.7
Contested Possessions 160 149 +11
Ground Ball Gets 106 104 +2
Intercepts 91 96 -5
Intercept Marks 23 19 +4
Centre Clearances 9 11 -2
Stoppage Clearances 38 24 +14
Contested Marks 10 12 -2
Marks Inside 50 8 12 -4
Hitouts 47 31 +16
Hitouts To Advantage 14 4 +10
Tackles 75 70 +5
Tackles Inside 50 19 8 +11
Def One On One Loss % 20.0 5.6 +14.4

Pressure

Team pressure

Quarter For Against
1 183 206
2 224 175
3 214 197
4 163 204
Match 196 196

Source: Herald Sun

Most Pressure Points

Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )

Player Pressure
Acts
Pressure
Points
Season
Average*
Christian Petracca 24 62 50.0
Jack Viney 23 54 52.8
Alex Neal-Bullen 20 51 49.1
Ed Langdon 26 50 28.2
Angus Brayshaw 24 50 26.6
Kysaiah Pickett 18 44 41.7
Christian Salem 20 39 31.8
Kade Chandler 17 37 32.7
Bayley Fritsch 15 37 20.4
Tom Sparrow 15 33 45.3
Lachie Hunter 14 32 23.5
Joel Smith 12 31 22.7
James Jordon 13 30 18.7
Trent Rivers 13 28 24.1
Judd McVee 12 26 19.4
Max Gawn 9 23 22.5
Jacob van Rooyen 10 22 24.8
Steven May 8 20 14.2
Harrison Petty 7 18 21.2
Michael Hibberd 6 16 12.2
Brodie Grundy 5 11 26.9
Charlie Spargo 4 9 23.9
Jake Lever 4 7 12.6

* Pressure points for rounds 4 and 6 have not been able to be sourced from the Herald Sun. Pressure points for these matches have been estimated from the number of pressure acts for each player.

Source: Herald Sun

Time in Forward Half

Quarter For Against
1 42% 58%
2 67% 33%
3 50% 50%
4 50% 50%
Match 55% 45%

Source: Match total sourced from the Herald Sun; quarterly values are my own calculations.

Score Sources

Summary

Score sources highlighted purple were won by Melbourne.

Category For Against Diff
G B T G B T
Kick-in 0 0 0 0 0 0 +0
Centre Bounce 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1
Stoppage (Other) 4 6 30 3 1 19 +11
Turnover 4 8 32 8 9 57 -25
Category For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in 0 3.1 0 2.8
Centre Bounce 1 11.1 2 7.6
Stoppage (Other) 30 22.6 19 22.8
Turnover 32 56.1 57 39.3

Chain start region

Note: region is from the scoring team's perspective. Against season average represents average points conceded by Melbourne across the season, not average points scored by Geelong.

Category Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Kick-in D50 0 3.1 0 2.8
Centre Bounce Centre 1 11.1 2 7.6
Stoppage (Other) D50 0 0.4 6 2.3
Stoppage (Other) Centre 0 2.9 0 1.0
Stoppage (Other) Wing 19 11.3 7 6.6
Stoppage (Other) F50 11 7.9 6 12.9
Turnover D50 1 10.9 13 5.4
Turnover Centre 1 8.8 18 5.8
Turnover Wing 28 30.1 16 19.9
Turnover F50 2 6.3 10 8.2
Region For Against
Match Season Match Season
Centre 2 22.8 20 14.4
D50 1 14.5 19 10.5
F50 13 14.2 16 21.1
Wing 47 41.4 23 26.5

Shots at goal

Team Shots G B T Acc.
General Play
Melbourne 14 4 8 32 28.6
Geelong 12 5 6 36 41.7
Set Position
Melbourne 8 4 2 26 50.0
Geelong 14 6 4 40 42.9

Centre Bounce Attendances

  CBAs CBA % 2023 % 2022 %
Jack Viney 20 87 68.5 74.6
Christian Petracca 20 87 65.9 74.6
Max Gawn 15 65 47.0 65.5
Angus Brayshaw 13 57 16.1 16.0
Tom Sparrow 12 52 47.8 32.2
Brodie Grundy 8 35 57.1 83.7
James Jordon 3 13 19.0 0.2
Trent Rivers 1 4 4.5 0.0
Kysaiah Pickett 0 0 12.9 1.3
Jacob van Rooyen 0 0 5.3  
Alex Neal-Bullen 0 0 3.7 3.5
Harrison Petty 0 0 1.2 0.0
Clayton Oliver     82.8 86.5
James Harmes     28.7 14.6
Tom McDonald     5.4 0.0
Josh Schache     0.0 13.8

Ruck Contests and Hitouts

Ruck Contests

  Ruck
Contests
RC % 2023 % 2022 %
Max Gawn 48 45 43.1 57.8
Brodie Grundy 42 40 50.5 77.4
Jacob van Rooyen 15 14 9.6  
Steven May 1 1 0.1 0.0
Harrison Petty 0 0 2.7 0.0
Christian Petracca 0 0 0.1 0.1
Tom McDonald     8.9 7.0
Josh Schache     6.7 13.4
Ben Brown     3.8 3.6
Clayton Oliver     0.0 0.0

Hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
To Adv. %
(2023)
To Adv. %
(2022)
Max Gawn 48 23 8 31.4 33.6
Brodie Grundy 42 19 5 32.8 30.2
Jacob van Rooyen 15 5 1 16.7  
Harrison Petty 0 0 0 22.2  
Tom McDonald       25.0 33.3
Ben Brown       0.0 14.3
Josh Schache         33.3

Opposition hitouts

  Ruck
Contests
Hitouts To
Adv.
Rhys Stanley 85 26 3
Mark Blicavs 12 3 1
Tom Hawkins 9 2 0

Looking at that we should have beaten them easily

There is no metric for Hollywood attitude I suppose!

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I have expanded the range of information included in the stats files updates, which now include Key Team Stats, pressure for all players (including their season average), and scores from the region where chains started. All except the data sourced from the Herald Sun has now been automated, so let me know if additional information can be included or if anything is unclear.

Looking at the score sources for last night - Geelong scored 19 points to 1 from chains starting in defensive 50 (13-1 from turnovers), and 20 points to 2 from chains starting in the centre/corridor (18-1 from turnovers). A total of 39 points to 3 - Melbourne average 37.3 points to 24.9 from these locations this season.

Melbourne concede 5.8 points on average from turnovers in the centre and 5.4 points from turnovers in our opponents' defensive 50.

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