Stats Files - 2023

[whatwhat say what 22,756]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

Posted this in the Post Game thread, but this is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

[Adam The God 30,259]

12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

Possibly, although I'm not a huge fan of Gus with ball in hand, but perhaps I should give him greater credit? Who knows? I think we'll see him behind the ball next week anyway and Hunter back on that wing opposite Lingers.

Edited May 27, 2023 by A F

[whatwhat say what 22,756]

Just now, A F said:

Possibly, although I'm not a huge fan of Gus with ball in hand, but perhaps I should give him greater credit? Who knows? I think we'll see him behind the ball next week anyway and Hunter back on that wing opposite Lingers.

our backline will need to be rejigged that's for sure

i'd like to see may, lever, tomlinson, salem, brayshaw, rivers, and bowey as the back 7

in an ideal world petty replaces tomlinson once he's recovered

[Adam The God 30,259]

7 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

our backline will need to be rejigged that's for sure

i'd like to see may, lever, tomlinson, salem, brayshaw, rivers, and bowey as the back 7

in an ideal world petty replaces tomlinson once he's recovered

Yep, agreed.

Tomlinson to McKay, May to Curnow and Lever gets to play interceptor. He'd better be a hell of a lot cleaner next week than he was today though.

All of that said, Rivers has worried me for weeks with ball in hand. He misses targets as much as he hits them.

Edited May 27, 2023 by A F

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

31 minutes ago, A F said:

Yep, agreed.

Tomlinson to McKay, May to Curnow and Lever gets to play interceptor. He'd better be a hell of a lot cleaner next week than he was today though.

All of that said, Rivers has worried me for weeks with ball in hand. He misses targets as much as he hits them.

I've been saying for weeks that as good as Rivers has been much of the time, his skill levels by foot are, on a few too many occasions, not even VFL level.

He started the rot today with the first turnover across HB which got them their first goal.

He needs to clean it up or be told not to go for anything by foot from deep in defence and just play the percentages to numbers up the line.

His turnovers are in the worst part of the ground (usually around the arc or just outside) and aren't defendable on the rebound.

Costing us goals, and cheap ones,  every week.

Massive team deflator and momentum killers.

People used to laugh at Frosty, and still do, at some of his mad runs and turnovers resulting in sling shot rebounds and quite often a shot at goal.

Rivers isn't that dissimilar in terms of mucking the good work via turnover too often.

If it was just a rareish occurance and he was improving as the weeks went on fair enough.  I wish that were the case.  Sadly it now appears to be regular part of his game.

[Adam The God 30,259]

38 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I've been saying for weeks that as good as Rivers has been much of the time, his skill levels by foot are, on a few too many occasions, not even VFL level.

He started the rot today with the first turnover across HB which got them their first goal.

He needs to clean it up or be told not to go for anything by foot from deep in defence and just play the percentages to numbers up the line.

His turnovers are in the worst part of the ground (usually around the arc or just outside) and aren't defendable on the rebound.

Costing us goals, and cheap ones,  every week.

Massive team deflator and momentum killers.

People used to laugh at Frosty, and still do, at some of his mad runs and turnovers resulting in sling shot rebounds and quite often a shot at goal.

Rivers isn't that dissimilar in terms of mucking the good work via turnover too often.

If it was just a rareish occurance and he was improving as the weeks went on fair enough.  I wish that were the case.  Sadly it now appears to be regular part of his game.

I love Rivers as a shut down / intercept defender, even occasionally as a running defender, but I think he's started to chew off far too much with his kicking.

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Ratings to Rnd 11, 2023 vs H&A Season 2022

Average Team Rating drops below season 2022 for the first time

Player	2023 Rating	2023 Rank	2022 Rating	% Change vs 2022	2022 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2022
C Oliver	5.285	1	5.320	-0.66	1	0
C Petracca	4.836	2	4.456	8.53	2	0
A Brayshaw	3.745	3	3.839	-2.45	5	2
T Rivers	3.736	4	2.423	54.19	18	14
J Jordon >	3.641	5	3.164	15.08	9	4
Jack Viney	3.480	6	3.971	-12.36	3	-3
Steven May	3.242	7	3.971	-18.36	3	-4
A Tomlinson	3.233	8	2.079	55.51	22	14
T Sparrow	3.128	9	2.665	17.37	16	7
L Hunter	3.105	10	-	-	-	-
Ed Langdon	3.039	11	3.109	-2.25	11	0
Jake Bowey	3.027	12	2.856	5.99	13	1
J Harmes	3.001	13	3.082	-2.63	12	-1
B Grundy #	2.907	14	-	-	-	-
Jake Lever	2.890	15	2.703	6.92	14	-1
Max Gawn # <	2.875	16	3.215	-10.58	8	-8
M Hibberd	2.865	17	2.613	9.64	17	0
Alex N-Bullen	2.791	18	2.688	3.83	15	-3
K Pickett	2.731	19	2.118	28.94	21	2
C Salem	2.725	20	3.363	-18.97	7	-13
K Chandler <	2.505	21	-	-	-	-
H Petty #	2.418	22	2.392	1.09	19	-3
J V Rooyen #	2.192	23	-	-	-	-
Judd McVee	2.173	24	-	-	-	-
B Fritsch	2.148	25	1.936	10.95	27	2
T McDonald #	2.038	26	1.939	5.11	26	0
Ben Brown # <	2.033	27	1.759	15.58	29	2
C Spargo	1.934	28	1.981	-2.37	24	-4
J Melksham >	1.437	29	1.947	-26.19	25	-4
B Laurie < *	1.300	30	-	-	-	-
D Turner *	1.075	31	-	-	-	-
Team Rating	65.90		68.89	-4.34

* Played less than two full matches (in total) - player rating compromised

# Hit outs to advantage not counted

< Subbed Out at least once or more

> Subbed In at least once or more

Stats courtesy of footwire.com

[binman 42,962]

16 hours ago, A F said:

Posted this in the Post Game thread, but this is from the AFL ap breakdown of the game. 

"Narrm ultimately lost the match against Walyalup by failing to capitalise on their defensive-half scoring chain prowess. Narrm only managed to score 2.5 (17) from defensive-half scoring chains for the entire match, despite averaging 40.8 points per game in 2023 - ranked first in the league."

That's the game right there.

We need to use each other and the ball better on slingshot. Simple as that.

And we can't when we are fatigued.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

11 minutes ago, binman said:

And we can't when we are fatigued.

🥫of🪱🪱

Edited May 28, 2023 by Engorged Onion

[binman 42,962]

4 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

Two key stats:

- port were 9.3 57 from their set shots and we were 4.7 31

- expected score plus 18

(On expected scored, I could see the boards they take our to show the players. The top line on one of them had: Expected score +15. I hadn't seen that before. Normally the first one is contested possessions or time in forward half)

Edited May 28, 2023 by binman

[layzie 33,805]

On 5/28/2023 at 10:06 AM, WheeloRatings said:

Melbourne v Fremantle

https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_match_stats.html?ID=20231103

Note: first number below is Melbourne, higher value is bold.

Pressure

Q1: 200 - 177
Q2: 164 - 198
Q3: 178 - 200
Q4: 197 - 215
Tot: 185 - 198

Most Pressure Points

(Weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/)

Harmes: 61
Viney: 59
Sparrow: 58
Petracca: 53
Neal-Bullen: 45
Salem: 41
May: 40
Rivers: 34
McVee: 32
Chandler: 32

Time in forward half

56% - 44%

Here are my calculations (not official) for time in forward half for each quarter:

Q1: 60% - 40%
Q2: 48% - 52%
Q3: 46% - 54%
Q4: 67% - 33%

Score sources

Centre bounce
3.1.19 - 2.1.13

Ball up
2.1.13 - 3.1.19

Throw in
0.2.2 - 2.1.13

Turnover
5.7.37 - 4.4.28

Kick-in
0.1.1 - 1.0.6

Shots at goal

Set position
4.7.31 - 9.3.57

General play
6.3.39 - 3.3.21

Expected Scores

84 - 66

Thanks for these WOR.

I'm still getting a feel for the website and can't find stats such as the pressure ratings on there, am I looking in the right spot or are these premium stats you do for us DLers? 🙂

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

6 hours ago, layzie said:

Thanks for these WOR.

I'm still getting a feel for the website and can't find stats such as the pressure ratings on there, am I looking in the right spot or are these premium stats you do for us DLers? 🙂

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 5/27/2023 at 9:50 PM, whatwhat say what said:

i'm wondering whether brayshaw out of the back half significantly contributes to this drop off

Looking at 2022 Gus vs 2023 (putting Rivers in to grab the stats but also an interesting look).

Kicking Efficiency is as good as we can get publicly.  For anyone interested this is defined by Champion Data as....

"The sum of effective short kicks, effective long kicks and effective ground kicks divided by total kicks"

An effective kick is defined as....

"A kick that results in the intended target retaining possession. Does not include kicks that are spoiled by the opposition."

Gone from 67.6% last season to 75% so far this season.

The Choco effect?

Can't be sure but reckon he's had a bit more accuracy with longer kicks this season off HB vs prior seasons?

The possible downside.... averaging 5 less kicks a game and approx 2.5 effective kicks.  Played at HB also (mostly) last season or no??

Rivers has improved his kicking accuracy also it seems.

Season 2022 (averages)

Season 2023

Edited May 31, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Mid Season Review - Goal Averages

Player	Games	Goal Ave	SAG	GA %	Rank
B Brown	3.0	3	4.3	69.2	1
B Fritsch	10.0	2.2	4.1	53.7	2
K Pickett	9.0	2	3.8	52.9	3
C Petracca	11.0	1.7	2.7	33.3	4
J V Rooyan	9.0	1.6	2.1	73.7	5
K Chandler	10.7	1.4	1.9	71.4	6
T McDonald	6.0	1.3	1.8	72.7	7
C Spargo	7.4	1.1	1.5	75.0	8
J Schache	1.0	1	2	50.0	9
J Melksham	2.2	1	1.8	57.1	9
M Gawn	7.0	0.8	1.6	46.2	11
A Neil-Bullen	11.0	0.7	1.4	53.3	12
B Grundy	11.0	0.7	1.1	66.7	12
T Sparrow	10.0	0.6	0.8	75.0	14
H Petty	7.3	0.5	1.0	50.0	15
J Viney	10.0	0.5	0.8	62.5	15
C Oliver	10.0	0.5	0.7	71.4	15
J Jordon	5.4	0.4	0.8	57.1	18
L Hunter	10.0	0.4	0.5	80.0	18
E Langdon	11.0	0.2	0.9	20.0	20
J Harmes	3.3	0.2	0.8	25.0	20
T Rivers	10.7	0.2	0.6	28.6	20
J Bowey	10.5	0.2	0.3	66.7	20
A Brayshaw	11.0	0	0.2	0.0	24
S May	9.0	0	0.1	0.0	24

SAG = Shots at Goal   GA % = Goal Accuracy (Percentage)

Mid Season Review - Goal Accuracy

Player	Games	Goal Ave	SAG	GA %	Rank
L Hunter	10.0	0.4	0.5	80.0	1
C Spargo	7.4	1.1	1.5	75.0	2
T Sparrow	10.0	0.6	0.8	75.0	2
J V Rooyan	9.0	1.6	2.1	73.7	4
T McDonald	6.0	1.3	1.8	72.7	5
K Chandler	10.7	1.4	1.9	71.4	6
C Oliver	10.0	0.5	0.7	71.4	6
B Brown	3.0	3	4.3	69.2	8
B Grundy	11.0	0.7	1.1	66.7	9
J Bowey	10.5	0.2	0.3	66.7	9
J Viney	10.0	0.5	0.8	62.5	11
J Melksham	2.2	1	1.8	57.1	12
J Jordon	5.4	0.4	0.8	57.1	12
B Fritsch	10.0	2.2	4.1	53.7	14
A Neil-Bullen	11.0	0.7	1.4	53.3	15
K Pickett	9.0	2	3.8	52.9	16
J Schache	1.0	1	2	50.0	17
H Petty	7.3	0.5	1.0	50.0	17
M Gawn	7.0	0.8	1.6	46.2	19
C Petracca	11.0	1.7	2.7	33.3	20
T Rivers	10.7	0.2	0.6	28.6	21
J Harmes	3.3	0.2	0.8	25.0	22
E Langdon	11.0	0.2	0.9	20.0	23
A Brayshaw	11.0	0	0.2	0.0	24
S May	9.0	0	0.1	0.0	24

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[layzie 33,805]

17 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

Thanks mate, doing a sterling job!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 12, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Blues

Pretty hard to watch, especially 59 inside 50s for only 61 points, but a win's a win.

Tracc topping the ratings again...

22 effectives @ 69%, 1 contested mark (great to see as he rarely takes them, think this as the one on the arc and he then shot a pass to Chandler directly in front), 2 marks i50, 7 clearances, 3 rebounds, 4 inside 50s, 4 tackles, 9 score involvements, 9 intercepts, 307 meters gained and a goal.  The only blight, a hefty 9 turnovers the most on the night from both teams.

Surprise surprise the Tomo effect!  Lever notching up his best rating for the year, knocking off his 4.150 against the Lions in Rnd 2.  Including a game high 12 intercepts and 8 one percenters (2nd best on the night).

Fritsch posts a season high rating eclipsing his 2.95 against the Eagles in Rnd 4.  We have to go all the way back to Rnd 22, 2021 vs the Crows for a rating higher than this where he posted a 4.375

Let's take a peek...

13 effectives @ 72%, 3 contested marks, 4 marks inside 50, one 1 percenter, 5 inside 50s, 1 tackle, 8 score involvements, 3 intercepts, 397 meters gained (pretty impressive for a guy that usually plays as a fairly deep forward), 2 goals and just the one miserly turnover.

Roohey's highest rating of his short career.  Some of his highlights included 14 effectives @ 87%, 2 contested marks inside 50, 2 tackles inside 50, 3 inside 50s, 6 score involvements, 1 intercept, 268 meters gained and a goal with only 1 turnover.

Player	Rating	Rank
C Petracca	5.150	1
A Brayshaw	4.650	2
Jake Lever	4.350	3
B Fritsch	3.975	4
Ed Langdon	3.825	5
Jack Viney	3.825	5
J V Rooyen #	3.350	7
S May	3.300	8
C Salem	3.100	9
T Rivers	2.875	10
Judd McVee	2.725	11
T Sparrow	2.650	12
Max Gawn #	2.350	13
A N-Bullen	2.350	13
L Hunter	2.200	15
J Bowey < 54%	2.200	15
K Chandler	2.125	17
A Tomlinson	1.925	18
B Grundy #	1.900	19
C Spargo	1.750	20
Joel Smith	1.150	21
K Pickett	0.800	22
J Harmes > 26%	0.550	23
Team Rating	62.53
Top 6	25.78
Bottom 6	9.65

# Hit outs to advantage not counted

< Subbed out / TOG %

> Subbed in / TOG %

Stats courtesy of footwire.com

Edited June 2, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Adam The God 30,259]

On 5/31/2023 at 4:57 PM, WheeloRatings said:

I obtain the pressure ratings, pressure points, and official time in forward half stats from the Herald Sun with a subscription. It's a manual transcription process so I just do that for DL.

The unofficial time in forward half is calculated from a separate data set that I have access to. I haven't loaded these onto the site either, but I can more easily run these for all teams as it is at least in a database (which goes back to 2021). I'm looking at using this data set for other things, like clearances by zone.

That would be amazing.

Because as structures change given where the ball is (teams may set up in a more attacking fashion for a stoppage clearance inside their own forward half or more defensively in the defensive 50), this would give us a lot better read on the game.

Thanks for all your posts and hard work. 🙏

[Adam The God 30,259]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 12, 2023 MCG - Demons vs Blues

Pretty hard to watch, especially 59 inside 50s for only 61 points, but a win's a win.

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

5 hours ago, A F said:

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

I'd be curious about the Dee's round by round I50's conceded to opponents.. could you pull that up?

[Adam The God 30,259]

57 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

I'd be curious about the Dee's round by round I50's conceded to opponents.. could you pull that up?

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

8 hours ago, A F said:

Conversely, we only gave up 39 inside 50s. This is far lower than any result for Carlton this year.

For context, Carlton had:

* 59 last week against Sydney (Round 11)

* 51 against Collingwood (Round 10)

* 50 against Western Bulldogs (Round 9)

* 47 against Brisbane (Round 8)

* 56 against West Coast (Round 7)

* 52 against St Kilda (Round 6)

* 53 against Adelaide (Round 5)

* 52 against North (Round 4)

* 61 against GWS (Round 3)

* 48 against Geelong (Round 2)

* 45 against Richmond (Round 1)

There was a marked change in the way we defended the ground last night in our front half, compared to recent weeks, which no doubt contributed.

Will be interesting to see time in forward half comparisons for this week and prior.

Would be very surprised if that stat doesn't back this up.  Thought we managed to lock it in for longer periods and had more repeat entries than recent weeks.

Pressure was not only higher in general but we played a tighter, up in their face game, from about 30-40 meters out. 

Some zoning of course higher up the field but even that wasn't as loose as we witnessed recently.  Overall increase in pressure (in terms of closing down the oppo...time it takes...not so much pressure acts themselves) from much tighter methods and zoning right from the first bounce.

As ive been harping on for over a year now, the loose fold back zone just doesn't work against anyone except maybe the bottom 4 to 6 clubs.  And even then they're a chance if they have a few decent ball users off HB plus some run & carry.

Not even if it's used in just the odd quarter or so would i toy with this method..... it's that shonkey.  Not sure why Goodwin does.  Madness (until last night).  Maybe if we're 50/60 up in the last and taking foot off the pedal to conserve for following match.  That's the only stage of a match i'd consider using it.

Forward craft (various issues), cohesion between mids / forwards & delivery to them.... still a long way off and needs a ton of work.

I'm not sure that's fixable in season & not sure Stafford's the right man to do so.  Even in the off.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[old55 23,573]

Where can I see Centre Bounce Attendances? @WheeloRatings?

[old55 23,573]

2 hours ago, A F said:

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

I reckon that shows we were lucky to win vs Richmond. We should have won against Freo last week but we got out of jail against the Tigers.

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3 hours ago, A F said:

No wucks.

Round 1 - conceded 50 against Bulldogs 

Round 2 - conceded 59 against Lions

Round 3 - conceded 52 against Sydney

Round 4 - conceded 38 against West Coast

Round 5 - conceded 57 against Essendon

Round 6 - conceded 61 against Richmond 

Round 7 - conceded 51 against North

Round 8 - conceded 45 against Gold Coast

Round 9 - conceded 41 against Hawthorn

Round 10 - conceded 61 against Port

Round 11 - conceded 52 against Freo

Given how we play on turnover, being most dangerous on counter attack, I would disregard the West Coast result, which was a total shellacking. We really should have beaten Freo on those numbers.

Found it - Far right is Avg Inside 50's conceded.

As a general comment- this illustrates just how close all teams are ultimately, in how many possessions are conceded, what disposal efficiency looks like, and so forth.

It's a very very tight competition...

Edited June 3, 2023 by Engorged Onion