Killing Football

[DeeSpencer 26,090]

5 minutes ago, roy11 said:

 

The Agenda for the Council meeting is on the website, I had a quick browse but it's 60 pages long and my local club that i am involved with isn't in City of Yarra.

The discount is based on the below Points scale and percentage qualification.

Subsidy Level Subsidy Percentage Qualification
Subsidy Level 1 50% Allocation Criteria Score between 20 and 29
Subsidy Level 2 60% Allocation Criteria Score between 30 and 49
Subsidy Level 3 70% Allocation Criteria Score between 50 and 69
Subsidy Level 4 80% Allocation Criteria Score between 70+

I'm involved in a local sporting club in a different council but we'd hit Level 3 easy at  a minimum and could get Level 4 relatively easy so whilst our fees would increase it wouldn't be as hectic as some of the reported figures that seemingly haven't been adjusted with the subsidy. 

It seems City of Yarra undercharged for ground hire and haven't charged clubs for pavilion hire and an increase in fees may be required to bring some parity to other councils. E,g I saw some figures of local clubs in City of Yarra that are paying less than what my club pays in a different council.

The way they've gone about the increase is a bit too convoluted and they haven't helped themselves.

You'd hope with increased fees you'd get increased service and better facilities/pitches too. 

 

 

Thanks for that, very interesting. 

It looks like from Hinds' article that Fitzroy would go close to ticking all those boxes. Makes me laugh when they're probably more diverse than the councilors pushing these initiatives. 

A small increase in fees might not be unreasonable but they've picked such an awful time to do it coming out of Covid with local sporting clubs really struggling.

It would've been better to announce either a freeze on fee increases or a possibly small rise this year, followed by giving clubs 12 months to meet targets to ensure they aren't disadvantaged next year.

 

[DeeSpencer 26,090]

4 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Hey DeeSpencer,

in Yarra the issue is less with footy fields more cabel and ethnically focused soccer clubs who use the facilities while building little empires around their council funded clubs, often their culture is Not inclusive (it varies a lot) of the general public and they use it to play in local politics... your quoting of the local “socialist” (his label not mine) member Steve Jolly defending these cabel’s that give him support, only shows how little you know about the situation and “corruption” in Yarra...

It's not my council but I understand a bit of the area and don't get me wrong I'm aware of the wards, and the boundaries of those wards, and one particular boundary particularly. I wasn't pasting that tweet as an endorsement, purely a news announcement. 

I also asked about which ovals in particular because I certainly didn't think Aussie rules was the issue. 

Footy has it's own problems with government funding but the one thing it usually does well is make sure junior footy is cheap and available. There's no academies and special selection criteria that jack up prices for parents. It's usually just mums and dads having a go for their kids to play sports.

[PaulRB 6,411]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

It's not my council but I understand a bit of the area and don't get me wrong I'm aware of the wards, and the boundaries of those wards, and one particular boundary particularly. I wasn't pasting that tweet as an endorsement, purely a news announcement. 

I also asked about which ovals in particular because I certainly didn't think Aussie rules was the issue. 

Footy has it's own problems with government funding but the one thing it usually does well is make sure junior footy is cheap and available. There's no academies and special selection criteria that jack up prices for parents. It's usually just mums and dads having a go for their kids to play sports.

There’s a soccer pitch at end of Ramsden street, and another tucked between Heidelberg road, railway line and Merri creek, that are both “owned” by their clubs, many of whom members no longer reside in Yarra... 

the footy oval at the end of Ramsden is open (took fencing down) but also just got a cool new (exclusive) club house funded in part by council / local residents.

[kev martin 10,418]

Inactivity is the killer.

Council should be working to get as many as possible out and about.

Not, generating a pay wall.

[PaulRB 6,411]

1 minute ago, kev martin said:

Inactivity is the killer.

Council should be working to get as many as possible out and about.

Not, generating a pay wall.

Yarra has just install a lot more bike lanes throughout the council, so they are not discouraging inactivity. 

[kev martin 10,418]

22 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Yarra has just install a lot more bike lanes throughout the council, so they are not discouraging inactivity. 

Bike lanes are very good.

Though getting to and off them from your destinations is still a problem.

Cars rule the bitumen and we take a deep breath of  CO and associated sulphur so as to brace when we venture as a commutor.  

Encourage all activities. 

Went to a greens meeting,  not one used a bike. All had the combustion engine.

When they walk the talk and not just imply "do as I say", and virtue signalling,  perhaps, I could believe that their politics is beyond the need to get power for powers sake. 

 

Another problem with bike lanes is the disrespectful users.

Bike clubs use them as speed ways.

Commutors shunt past pedestrians and slower riders with the narrowest of margins.

As a biker and pedestrian we need alot more work to make our paths safe.

I have not owned a car for around 30 years.

Edited March 30, 2021 by kev martin

[tiers 2,844]

Time to form the Maroons political party and stand for council elections to toss out the greens. Then get rid of the obnoxious rating system. Since when does a junior sporting club have to prove their value to the community.

The best role for the council would be to produce a set of guidelines so that Kev and his mates can share the grounds in the area eg. stipulate when the grounds are reserved for the official organised sporting clubs who one would expect to assist in maintaining the grounds and when the ovals are free for others to use subject to a fair and transparent booking system.

This would not cater for the ad hoc games that appeal to Kev but would be a start. In any event, when I was young we were happy to play footy on any level grassy ground using school bags or jumpers for goals.

More strength to Joan and the team at Fitzroy FC.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

The amount of new apartments in Richmond, Collingwood and Fitzroy should see the council absolutely stacked with funds. Somehow they aren't. Lack of parking fines money has created a huge deficit in their budget. 

People build 1000's of new homes in Casey and they've got enough money to build a whole new Casey Fields complex. Obviously they have the land for that expansion, but the same kind of benefits in Yarra should mean upgrades and wonderful facilities at the ovals they maintain. 

They've also introduced a glass only bin that is completely unfeasible. It's led to people putting tonnes of paper and plastic recycling in the garbage because they have no room for it in their smaller recycling bin. They've ignored the fact that most people buy milk, juice, soft drink etc in plastic or cardboard food boxes and that to fill a glass bin you'd have to be an alcoholic. That's the kind of ideology over reasoning this council loves.

 

 

I would be usurping these idiots and lobbying the Vic Govt & AFL.  Impossible to reason with Kumbuya FitzWickys.  They aren't living in the real world as we know it.

Edited March 30, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[kev martin 10,418]

29 minutes ago, tiers said:

Time to form the Maroons political party

The Maroons would soon be corrupted. 

Lining the pockets of their mates at the expense of sanity, fairness and logic.

 

[kev martin 10,418]

I pay rates to Stonnington my brother in Bayside Council.

We both have no children or drive cars.

The council does very little for us.

I've noticed that much of the public space is being used by the private schools.

The Council will continue to commodify and give it to the highest bidder.

Our community is stratified, with money and power being the impetuous. 

Poor kids will not be golfers, tennis players, yachtys', rowers, etcetera and now AFL players or any of the cheaper sports programs.

Arts and sports are for the privileged classes as is our educational and health systems.

Such is their entitled life and the unequal distribution of access.

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by kev martin

[dl4e 5,851]

Well the council has now done a backflip on the rates. That is good to see.  It looks like embarrasing them is the only way to get them to change their stupid policies.

[3183 Dee 2,907]

3 hours ago, tiers said:

Time to form the Maroons political party and stand for council elections to toss out the greens. Then get rid of the obnoxious rating system. Since when does a junior sporting club have to prove their value to the community.

The best role for the council would be to produce a set of guidelines so that Kev and his mates can share the grounds in the area eg. stipulate when the grounds are reserved for the official organised sporting clubs who one would expect to assist in maintaining the grounds and when the ovals are free for others to use subject to a fair and transparent booking system.

This would not cater for the ad hoc games that appeal to Kev but would be a start. In any event, when I was young we were happy to play footy on any level grassy ground using school bags or jumpers for goals.

More strength to Joan and the team at Fitzroy FC.

That’s a good idea - have stipulated times, each club paying a proportionate amount of the upkeep fees, council pays the rest which ensures pick up games can take place at all other times.

[Biffen 12,947]

Councils like this should stick to doing what they do best....

Speaking out on national issues they have no control of.

Destroying public assets for the benefit of no one in particular.

Promoting ethnic minorities who have not neccessarily asked for assistance to display their wokeness.

Handicapping  young men and discouraging them from participating in leadership positions.

Throwing rate payers money at the promotion of homosexuality 

Putting down dogs

Interfering in the running of successful businesses/venues

Self -promoting and slush fund splurging

Advertising for re-election with rate payers money.

Nobody wants a council to maintain parks,streets and public spaces,clean rubbish and provide efficient ,quiet service to the community.If an inner city council is not politicicising and grandstanding then they really should think about why they got into the job in the first place.

 

[daisycutter 29,747]

32 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Well the council has now done a backflip on the rates. That is good to see.  It looks like embarrasing them is the only way to get them to change their stupid policies.

dunno about a backflip, yet

they just decided to not table it at tonight's (?) council meeting

but we shall see

[PaulRB 6,411]

19 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Councils like this should stick to doing what they do best....

Speaking out on national issues they have no control of.

Destroying public assets for the benefit of no one in particular.

Promoting ethnic minorities who have not neccessarily asked for assistance to display their wokeness.

Handicapping  young men and discouraging them from participating in leadership positions.

Throwing rate payers money at the promotion of homosexuality 

Putting down dogs

Interfering in the running of successful businesses/venues

Self -promoting and slush fund splurging

Advertising for re-election with rate payers money.

Nobody wants a council to maintain parks,streets and public spaces,clean rubbish and provide efficient ,quiet service to the community.If an inner city council is not politicicising and grandstanding then they really should think about why they got into the job in the first place.

 

[Demonland 73,208]

3 hours ago, dl4e said:

Well the council has now done a backflip on the rates. That is good to see.  It looks like embarrasing them is the only way to get them to change their stupid policies.