POSTGAME: Rd 13 vs Western Bulldogs

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

On 8/23/2020 at 9:34 AM, big_red_fire_engine said:

Tomlinson has had 3 goals in total kicked on him in 4 weeks playing back. 

It seems he's doing his job defensively then but offensively he is all but unsighted and ineffective.

Who have his opponents been out of interest? (Genuinely interested not trying to "catch" you)

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

On 8/23/2020 at 9:37 AM, grazman said:

Oh ok... well let's have a discussion.  How much money is he on?  I'm not being a smart [censored], I genuinely don't know.

I think it was touted as about $500k/year for 4 years

[leave it to deever 17,506]

Ive come to the conclusion at this late stage of my life that Id be satisfied to see just one premiership and then watch the replay religiously every gf day thereafter.

Or I get a taste of what it feels like and hunger for some more.

 

Alas I get ahead of myself? If we could can the collective angst this team generates amongst it supporters we could release it when all the fossil fuels are gone and keep the lights going until 3030.

Edited August 24, 2020 by leave it to deever

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

On 8/23/2020 at 11:05 AM, buck_nekkid said:

We lost the game because our defensive system was not followed.  I hate it when I see the dees jogging after the contest.  It is my number one indicator that we are going to lose.  With no pressure at half forward, any entry that went in to the 50 at 40-50m out was just waltzed out, switched and put back into the dogs 50 for a shot.  

The lack of pressure from the midfield and the half forwards was pathetic.  The dogs would pressure us and spread from contests and we would invariably have a skill error and they would have options moving into space.  The back 6 had a hell of a day, as ther was no defensive support up the ground to allow them to get into the right positions.  When the switch happened, it happened fast and this gave them all the space they needed.

Did we get ahead of ourselves? Did the conditions have an effect on our disposal more than we thought (it did on some of our kicks at goal).  

A weak defensive effort by a team that looked like it was ahead of itself.  Wanted a shoot-out and needed to stick to its knitting.

I can't fathom how they could get ahead of themselves. Surely they understand by now that only consistent efforts across, quarters games, season and seasons is good enough. Three wins against mediocre opposition (Collingwood was mediocre no matter how it is spun) doesn't mean anything. Even if we knock off the Saints this week it means nothing unless it is backed up again and again and again!

A lot of people have said it but this team needs to build the trust of the supporter base. That can only be done with consistent effort. Play well and lose is one thing but turn up with only half your mind on the job and unwilling to work hard for 2 hours is something else entirely

[Brownie 5,967]

18 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

All year I've felt that St Kilda are a step behind the truly good sides. They play footy which IMO won't hold up in finals. It's too risky and fluky to try absorbing opposition inside 50s and relying on accuracy in front of goal to ensure you outscore your opponent.

Still, they're playing finals and we're no better than 50/50 to join them, and the way they play is a recipe for disaster for us.

I'm sure attitude is a problem for us. Whether it's a lack of confidence (self-confidence or confidence in teammates) or arrogance and bathwater drinking, I'm yet to be convinced that our players approach each week with the mindset that I'm sure Geelong, West Coast and Richmond bring weekly.

Agree Titan.

I get the feeling the players buy in when the game plan works well but drop their heads when it all turns to poo.

If things ain't working and the coach just tells them to keep doing the same things, then I reckon Goody loses them. I.e.3rd qtr on Saturday.

Clarrie has been a great barometer for this this year.

Early on in the season, he seemed disengaged.

As we progressed, The game plan started to come together and you could see him come to life with Trac. His work rate and performance lifted.

It looked like it was falling away again on Saturday.

Is it the players fault? Yes to some extent.

But like any business, if you tell your employees to keep doing something that doesn't work day in day out and don't engage them in trying some changes to get back in the game, they are likely to become disillusioned.

I can only suspect that this may be where a lack of creative tactics and strategies impacts players attitude, confidence and belief.

[titan_uranus 24,963]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It seems he's doing his job defensively then but offensively he is all but unsighted and ineffective.

Who have his opponents been out of interest? (Genuinely interested not trying to "catch" you)

It was his offensive drive on the weekend that stood out to me.

One of his opponents was Larkey vs North, which would account for the three goals BRFE mentioned. Not sure who his other opponents have been.

For the same reason I wasn't happy dropping OMac to begin with, I'm comfortable with Tomlinson in the side: I think our back half is solid and developing well. To the extent we conceded goals too easily on the weekend, I put that down largely to the way in which we set up in the forward half of the ground. A combination of Harris Andrews, Luke Ryan and Steven May wouldn't have made a difference to stopping some of the Dogs' scoring chains. 

(I still think we can get more out of Tomlinson though).

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It seems he's doing his job defensively then but offensively he is all but unsighted and ineffective.

Who have his opponents been out of interest? (Genuinely interested not trying to "catch" you)

Doc - do we need all defenders to have an offensive element to their game?  

It seems to me the way they are playing Tomlinson is in that lock down role on a key forward, similar to what Oscar was doing and Joel Smith in the earlier rounds.  I think we look for the offensive drive from our flankers and, to a smaller extent, someone like Steven May.

It seems to me that Tomlinson has been asked to play a far more defensive role than others.  I'm only going on what I watch, but he is there to defend and he is doing that well at the minute.

[Lucifers Hero 39,319]

Coaches votes are in:

9   Marcus Bontempelli (WB)

5   Lachie Hunter (WB)

 

5   Mitch Wallis (WB)

4  Tom Liberatore (WB)

3  Bailey Smith (WB)

2   Steven May (MELB)

1  Jason Johannisen (WB)

1 Jack Macrae (WB)

Well done to May as the only Demon among the votes.  The only one that deserved any really.

 

Best guess split:

5/4  Bontempelli

4/1 or 3/2 Hunter/Wallis

4  Liberatore

3  Smith

2  May

1  Johannisen

1  Macrae

So another week where there was quite different views between the two coahces.

 

Petracca still second on the leader board but another round 13 game tongight.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[leave it to deever 17,506]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches votes are in:

9   Marcus Bontempelli (WB)

5   Lachie Hunter (WB)

 

5   Mitch Wallis (WB)

4  Tom Liberatore (WB)

3  Bailey Smith (WB)

2   Steven May (MELB)

1  Jason Johannisen (WB)

1 Jack Macrae (WB)

Well done to May as the only Demon among the votes.  The only one that deserved any really.

 

Best guess split:

5/4  Bontempelli

4/1 or 3/2 Hunter/Wallis

4  Liberatore

3  Smith

2  May

1  Johannisen

1  Macrae

So another week where there was quite different views between the two coahces.

 

Petracca still second on the leader board but another round 13 game tongight.

Pretty accurate for mine. Thanks to May who played like a champion.

[jnrmac 20,040]

And the most obvious thing in the world was to tag Bont..... 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

8 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Doc - do we need all defenders to have an offensive element to their game?  

It seems to me the way they are playing Tomlinson is in that lock down role on a key forward, similar to what Oscar was doing and Joel Smith in the earlier rounds.  I think we look for the offensive drive from our flankers and, to a smaller extent, someone like Steven May.

It seems to me that Tomlinson has been asked to play a far more defensive role than others.  I'm only going on what I watch, but he is there to defend and he is doing that well at the minute.

You may be right, if he is doing his job defensively then that is probably enough. 

When we talk about the modern game and 18 man zones etc though I think that works both ways. Every player on the ground has to have an offensive and defensive element to their game these days

[The heart beats true 18,083]

7 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches votes are in:

9   Marcus Bontempelli (WB)

5   Lachie Hunter (WB)

 

5   Mitch Wallis (WB)

4  Tom Liberatore (WB)

3  Bailey Smith (WB)

2   Steven May (MELB)

1  Jason Johannisen (WB)

1 Jack Macrae (WB)

Well done to May as the only Demon among the votes.  The only one that deserved any really.

 

Best guess split:

5/4  Bontempelli

4/1 or 3/2 Hunter/Wallis

4  Liberatore

3  Smith

2  May

1  Johannisen

1  Macrae

So another week where there was quite different views between the two coahces.

 

Petracca still second on the leader board but another round 13 game tongight.

You can bet it was Melbourne who only gave Bontempelli 4 votes. Couldn’t bring themselves to give him 5, since they clearly don’t rate him that much.

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