6 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure what you actually mean by this line. But it's not easy for anyone who is the subject of these sort of attacks to "just get over it and move on". And nor should they have to.

If you go back in history (and not that far), that was a common attitude to rape in many societies.

You really need it spelled out to you?

 

 

Edited June 26, 20205 yr by Fork 'em

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Why does the name of Eskimo Pie ice creams have to be changed?

I think it's because it's associated with Collingwood.  Fair enough, too.

1 minute ago, Fork 'em said:

You really need it spelled out to you?

 

Obviously. I must be missing something in what you say. 

3 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Apparently it has a dodgy history OD
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/24/475129558/why-you-probably-shouldnt-say-eskimo

Maybe they should change it to Inuit Pie? ?

Well maybe OD pie because I love them. 

"Get over it" is another way of saying "Keep putting up with it and stop complaining".

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Obviously. I must be missing something in what you say. 

I think he may have been talking to himself.

 

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Obviously. I must be missing something in what you say. 

Read my post slower and see if you can get it.

And for what it's worth.
Posting a monkey emoji and rape are quite different things.
 

10 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Facebook, although not perfect by any means, at least allows you to control who gets to see your posts and comment on them.  Instagram and Twitter have no such controls (that I'm aware of) and so these trolls have an easy way in to spread their rubbish.

One thing I like about Facebook is that it's given me a way of connecting with friends I had lost contact with decades ago.  Renewing old friendships seems, to me at least, to be fairly important as we get older.

All 3 platforms have the ability to set your account to private or control who sees your content.

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

All 3 platforms have the ability to set your account to private or control who sees your content.

Thanks matey... I'm learning a lot today ?

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

All 3 platforms have the ability to set your account to private or control who sees your content.

sure, but that doesn't stop someone cutting and pasting and posting elsewhere

once on the web, always out there (potentially)

Ok if the Inuit People see it as racist term similar to the N word then OD Pie it is.

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

my Generation was a lot more Racist than todays 25 year olds and so on

It's a lot about tolerance,  imv, SWYL.

We were brought into a world where things were done in an expected way, without much question.  "kids should be seen and not heard",  was an earlier concept, Pre us.   That started to change with the 50's and,  mostly 60's/70's students.

 

Education started to elevate minds out of the mire delivered by,  imv,  narrow religious teachings.  Like  'men should just be in the field working',  'women should be in the home'.

Indigenous black races were seen and treated as lesser beings.   As were other cultures different to christianity.

Christianity imv is more  ,'romanesque'',   subtly 'Gladiatorial' .

They (religious leaders) set the boundaries, the confines, the templates,  to which monarchists and politicians bowed.  And then lay the laws and themes of the lands, they controlled.

 

It is with the churches that responsibility for all these in-human actions have taken place. 

Like 'Terra nullius',  removal of children from families,  'cultural genocide' of our 1st Nation peoples.

 

And more broadly over the oceans,  general racism against other 'races'.

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

sure, but that doesn't stop someone cutting and pasting and posting elsewhere

once on the web, always out there (potentially)

Not 100% sure what you mean mate. If you have your content set to private, only the people you allow to can see it.

The hard part for professional sportspeople (and other public personalities) is that so much of their brand equity comes via their social presence these days. Would be really hard to balance that against these sort of comments sometimes I reckon. Only recently we saw one of our own players shut down all his socials due to the abuse he was copping from our own supporters.

18 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

If you go back in history (and not that far), that was a common attitude to rape in many societies.

Wasn't it seen as a husbands right to have sex with the wife, even if the wife didn't want to.  Wasn't this sanctioned originally by churches, and then in law.?  Or do I have this one wrong

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Not 100% sure what you mean mate. If you have your content set to private, only the people you allow to can see it.

The hard part for professional sportspeople (and other public personalities) is that so much of their brand equity comes via their social presence these days. Would be really hard to balance that against these sort of comments sometimes I reckon. Only recently we saw one of our own players shut down all his socials due to the abuse he was copping from our own supporters.

i meant exactly what i said

you disagree?

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

i meant exactly what i said

you disagree?

I don't know, as I said in my post, I'm not 100% sure what you mean with the copy and paste comment.

2 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Wasn't it seen as a husbands right to have sex with the wife, even if the wife didn't want to.  Wasn't this sanctioned originally by churches, and then in law.?  Or do I have this one wrong

Nope you are correct but has now been changed. 

3 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Wasn't it seen as a husbands right to have sex with the wife, even if the wife didn't want to.  Wasn't this sanctioned originally by churches, and then in law.?  Or do I have this one wrong

Not certain about the church aspect, although I would not be at all surprised, but there is this in relation to the law:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/1992/35.pdf

25 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Apparently it has a dodgy history OD
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/24/475129558/why-you-probably-shouldnt-say-eskimo

Maybe they should change it to Inuit Pie? ?

Yep.  thanks 'ht'.

Why You Probably Shouldn't Say 'Eskimo'

Confused about the word Eskimo?

It's a commonly used term referring to the native peoples of Alaska and other Arctic regions, including Siberia, Canada and Greenland. It comes from a Central Algonquian language called Ojibwe, which people still speak around the Great Lakes region on both sides of the U.S.-Canadian border. But the word has a controversial history. (Editor's note: And that's why it's not used in the stories on Greenland that NPR has posted this week.)

People in many parts of the Arctic consider Eskimo a derogatory term because it was widely used by racist, non-native colonizers. Many people also thought it meant eater of raw meat, which connoted barbarism and violence. Although the word's exact etymology is unclear, mid-century anthropologists suggested that the word came from the Latin word excommunicati, meaning the excommunicated ones, because the native people of the Canadian Arctic were not Christian.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/24/475129558/why-you-probably-shouldnt-say-eskimo

4 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

It's a lot about tolerance,  imv, SWYL.

We were brought into a world where things were done in an expected way, without much question.  "kids should be seen and not heard",  was an earlier concept, Pre us.   That started to change with the 50's and,  mostly 60's/70's students.

 

Education started to elevate minds out of the mire delivered by,  imv,  narrow religious teachings.  Like  'men should just be in the field working',  'women should be in the home'.

Indigenous black races were seen and treated as lesser beings.   As were other cultures different to christianity.

Christianity imv is more  ,'romanesque'',   subtly 'Gladiatorial' .

They (religious leaders) set the boundaries, the confines, the templates,  to which monarchists and politicians bowed.  And then lay the laws and themes of the lands, they controlled.

 

It is with the churches that responsibility for all these in-human actions have taken place. 

Like 'Terra nullius',  removal of children from families,  'cultural genocide' of our 1st Nation peoples.

 

And more broadly over the oceans,  general racism against other 'races'.

Musicians born post war did a huge service to stop racism. 

The Rolling Stones took Black Music back to America in 1964 and it grew. 
the problem is still there, i know, but years before it wasn’t a problem. 

i think 2020 will change a lot. We all saw the 8 minutes of footage where a man was suffocated by a Policeman. 
Social Media is not all bad

Just now, Lord Nev said:

I don't know, as I said in my post, I'm not 100% sure what you mean with the copy and paste comment.

simply that a recipient in a closed group can copy/past any content on their screen and forward it to any other person or any other platform. i doesn't even have to be malicious. the point is that your privacy is not guaranteed once posted.

sure, you can still stop interlopers posting into a closed group, i wasn't referring to that 

 

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Musicians born post war did a huge service to stop racism. 

The Rolling Stones took Black Music back to America in 1964 and it grew. 
the problem is still there, i know, but years before it wasn’t a problem. 

i think 2020 will change a lot. We all saw the 8 minutes of footage where a man was suffocated by a Policeman. 
Social Media is not all bad

I think many would find it racist that you think a pommy white boy band took black music back to America.

 

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Musicians born post war did a huge service to stop racism. 

The Rolling Stones took Black Music back to America in 1964 and it grew. 
the problem is still there, i know, but years before it wasn’t a problem. 

i think 2020 will change a lot. We all saw the 8 minutes of footage where a man was suffocated by a Policeman. 
Social Media is not all bad

My father was a music lover, 'Satchmo' was one of his favourites, and so I was exposed to the music and to an attitude of 'equal',  regarding peoples.

 

Kung-Fu the series was a favourite. 

.

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

simply that a recipient in a closed group can copy/past any content on their screen and forward it to any other person or any other platform. i doesn't even have to be malicious. the point is that your privacy is not guaranteed once posted.

sure, you can still stop interlopers posting into a closed group, i wasn't referring to that 

 

Sure, agree with that, there's no such thing as 100% privacy on the internet, but you can control who sees your content (limiting it to people you know and trust) and prevent anyone, including those you trust if you wish, from commenting on your posts.

2 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

I think many would find it racist that you think a pommy white boy band took black music back to America.

 

I think SWYL means that the English rock bands enabled whites around the world,  to aid giving African-American musicians more notoriety and acceptance,  and love.  And so humanising them within Our minds.  Freeing us to allow and engage,  love and respect them purely for their talents.

Particularly Via Radio,  more-so than TV.

 

As a youngster/teenager,  I was ignorant to what race most musicians were,  just enjoying the lyrics,  music,  mood,  and feel of the songs.

 

The 60's was a time of growth,  of creativity,  of change,  of growing education,  and of enlightenment. 

It was,  "the dawning of the Age of Aquarius".  literally.