On 5/21/2020 at 3:34 PM, Jack Russell said:

Pointless thread Lyon will never Coach Melb even if he coaches again.  Goody will Coach us in 2021 and 2022....we forget very quickly theysteady improvement under him from 2016-18 time for stability and sticking with program...2018 being the anomaly is a ridiculous statement only repeated because Gary Lyon said it

Well one of us will be right

If I was a betting man your horse looks dodgy

 

On 5/21/2020 at 8:34 AM, Jack Russell said:

Pointless thread Lyon will never Coach Melb even if he coaches again.  Goody will Coach us in 2021 and 2022....we forget very quickly theysteady improvement under him from 2016-18 time for stability and sticking with program...2018 being the anomaly is a ridiculous statement only repeated because Gary Lyon said it

This forum has been debating the topic a lot longer than when Gary Lyon said it. Heck, Goodys coaching (high press goal leakage out the back, lack of outside pace, honeypot mentality and inside 50 conversion) has all been under the microscope even before our famous finals run, for years now. You'd know that if you posted on DL..

Edited May 25, 20205 yr by John Demonic

On 5/21/2020 at 2:37 AM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i don't see how it's feasible to ditch goodwin at the end of 2020 regardless of our results

we can't afford to pay out / negotiate a way out of two years of his contract, as he's signed til the end of 2022

i certainly wouldn't be looking at ross lyon as an option

If a 2020 end of year sacking and payout produced a finals turnaround in 2021 with a new coach, how much would that recoup losses on a payout? Especially if you compare it to holding on too long and Goody writing off our 2021 season and being sacked anyway with a smaller payout.

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Edited May 25, 20205 yr by John Demonic

On 5/21/2020 at 5:44 PM, WERRIDEE said:

I'd prefer Yze has been under the coach of the century. Hawthorn have a pretty good record with their assistant coaches with the exception of Bolton.

Yeah but Bolton never played at 'Elite"level... Adem however carries the same number as Clarry 13 both sensational!

Er Bolton ..... Not a chance of a snowflake in Hell!

Just get Roosey back.....Best available coach by a mile & the numbers whilst he was in charge at the Dees don't lie.

Just an aside on things, the club will be financially stuffed from this year after coronavirus. The league is going to be stuffed for a while with spending already being cut in certain areas. While I wouldn't say that means every contracted coach is 100% safe as houses, I do think that it would take a disastrously bad season (think Mark Neeld) for a club to sack a coach with another season to run. The clubs just don't have the cash to pay them out and the league doesn't have the money to bail them out.

I'd be shocked if Goodwin isn't at the helm next year.

6 hours ago, Pates said:

Just an aside on things, the club will be financially stuffed from this year after coronavirus. The league is going to be stuffed for a while with spending already being cut in certain areas. While I wouldn't say that means every contracted coach is 100% safe as houses, I do think that it would take a disastrously bad season (think Mark Neeld) for a club to sack a coach with another season to run. The clubs just don't have the cash to pay them out and the league doesn't have the money to bail them out.

I'd be shocked if Goodwin isn't at the helm next year.

Goodwin won't be sacked, he just may not get another contract.

This year has basically granted Goodwin a get out of jail free card. Whether he needs to play that card is yet to be determined. He'll be coaching in 2021 regardless of how we go this year.

Even as someone that isn't fond of Goodwin's coaching, I'd be [censored] at the club if they went through the process of sacking him and paying him out, and then going through the hiring process (and likely overpaying) for another coach. It would be irresponsible at this point. 

Edited May 26, 20205 yr by praha

Has Simon Goodwin failed as a coach? He introduced the gameplan whilst under Paul Roos that provided the drastically improved scoring in Roos's 3rd year.

He led the team to missing finals by percentage in 2017 and then continued growth in 2018.

2019 was disappointing.

2020, 1 game has been played. Bad game. The coaching team will address the shortcomings, or if not, then you may have some good points about his lack of prowess in coaching.

To me, the game plan is sound, execution at critical moments has been oscillating.  

Goodwin brings good people management, we have good player development and he has sound tactical knowledge of football. These are critical in an elite football club.

There is a strong case for staying the course.

On 5/21/2020 at 12:16 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 

From what I saw in round 1, it's not looking good, but the apologists will no doubt blame it on an external factor rather than judging the product that was delivered on the field. According to Lever, the club was fuming after its performance rather than patting themselves on the back for out scoring West Coast 2 goals to 1 in the last quarter.

 

 

While I don't want to be considered an apologist, some factors make the loss a bit easier to take.

We know of the external factors that affected the game, like the competition being cancelled 30 minutes before we played, the hotel shift where the boys obviously had a disrupted sleep, the threat of being stuck in WA and playing at the Eagles dung heap. I can't wait for JnrMac to attack me over mentioning them.

However, aside from a wasted first quarter we matched the Eagles for the rest of the day. We again were wasteful with our ball use and while we seemed to miss every opportunity that we had in the first quarter, the Eagles grabbed every one of their limited ones. I think from memory that once again we had more inside 50"s than the Eagles, but just wasted the chances.We missed set shots and snaps while they seemed to roll them in from everywhere.

We also played a couple of debutants, who actually showed something and remember they are a very experienced and successful team playing at home.

Our effort in my opinion was reasonable and nothing like the 2018 PF which was crap.

We have a season to build on and IMO the loss was neither unexpected or terrible.

We must fix up our forward 50 entries and ball use if we want to succeed long term.

I wonder what the result would have been playing at the G with the same external circumstances affecting the Eagles.

Edited May 27, 20205 yr by Redleg