The Ashes - 2019

[Macca 16,972]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Not impossible for every ball to be reviewed automatically in the bunker. Cricket is not a fast game so you would only be one or two balls behind. Effectively that is how VAR works in soccer but admittedly there are far less VAR possibilities.

It will never happen as India who control world cricket are massively against DRS.

And maybe India are making a good point DJ ... this middle area we are in frustrates me more than when we had no technology at all

I don't believe that India have any sinister reasons for having the stance that they have either.

Maybe they just prefer an old school approach where the rub of the green ruled. 

My preference now is to do as you've suggested.  Just review everything because the pace of the sport allows it.

But can an LBW be given out if there is no appeal?  ha ha

I played in a SF once where the umpire told us that he would have given a player out caught at bat-pad but no one on our side appealed.  The bloke missed it by a foot but according to the umpire he edged it onto his pad before popping it up to short leg.  Needless to say there were any number of stunned looks as the player in question went on to make a 100 and we subsequently lost the game.

A 'needless' appeal would have come in handy!

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

17 hours ago, Macca said:

And maybe India are making a good point DJ ... this middle area we are in frustrates me more than when we had no technology at all

I don't believe that India have any sinister reasons for having the stance that they have either.

Maybe they just prefer an old school approach where the rub of the green ruled. 

My preference now is to do as you've suggested.  Just review everything because the pace of the sport allows it.

But can an LBW be given out if there is no appeal?  ha ha

I played in a SF once where the umpire told us that he would have given a player out caught at bat-pad but no one on our side appealed.  The bloke missed it by a foot but according to the umpire he edged it onto his pad before popping it up to short leg.  Needless to say there were any number of stunned looks as the player in question went on to make a 100 and we subsequently lost the game.

A 'needless' appeal would have come in handy!

 

The appeal question is an interesting one. Not really sure.

When DRS first came in I thought it made the batsman's role harder as it removed the concept of benefit of the doubt that used to be given to the batsman.

Must say I do wonder how they can get the algorithms for ball height and spin right on day one when they have no empirical data for a particular pitch with variable weather conditions.

[Macca 16,972]

5 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The appeal question is an interesting one. Not really sure.

When DRS first came in I thought it made the batsman's role harder as it removed the concept of benefit of the doubt that used to be given to the batsman.

Must say I do wonder how they can get the algorithms for ball height and spin right on day one when they have no empirical data for a particular pitch with variable weather conditions.

The technology is only as good as the knowledge & judgement abilities of those programming the technology.  And is the programming uniform from country to country?

The judgements using the technology on any given decision would be the same for both teams within a match you'd reckon.  Where as the 2 umpires might judge things differently and any given umpire might see 2 similar incidents differently.

I'd prefer total technology as we're very close to that outcome anyway.  Any given decision can right now be challenged depending on the review situation.  And the technology should get better & better. 

And I'm coming from a platform where I've never had a problem with umpires.  The rub of the green was fine with me but we're now in the middle ground where howlers can still happen in a random way.  As we saw on Sunday night.

I didn't see it as out but that's just me.  The majority did however see it as out so the majority is probably right.  But not definitely right (IMO).

[Jara 1,153]

On 8/27/2019 at 9:42 PM, Macca said:

And maybe India are making a good point DJ ... this middle area we are in frustrates me more than when we had no technology at all

I don't believe that India have any sinister reasons for having the stance that they have either.

Maybe they just prefer an old school approach where the rub of the green ruled. 

My preference now is to do as you've suggested.  Just review everything because the pace of the sport allows it.

But can an LBW be given out if there is no appeal?  ha ha

I played in a SF once where the umpire told us that he would have given a player out caught at bat-pad but no one on our side appealed.  The bloke missed it by a foot but according to the umpire he edged it onto his pad before popping it up to short leg.  Needless to say there were any number of stunned looks as the player in question went on to make a 100 and we subsequently lost the game.

A 'needless' appeal would have come in handy!

 

Not something one can 'know ' of course, but I've always assumed India prefers to stick with the old system because they always have such vocal crowd support  (even here ) and can influence umpires  (like they seem to do in footy in West Australia ).

[Macca 16,972]

7 hours ago, Jara said:

Not something one can 'know ' of course, but I've always assumed India prefers to stick with the old system because they always have such vocal crowd support  (even here ) and can influence umpires  (like they seem to do in footy in West Australia ).

As previously stated,  I don't have a pronlem with India's stance on DRS at all.  And I stlll don"t because of where we sit right now.  

And because of the mixed outcmes that we've seen with DRS,  India has been proven correct in a lot of ways.  Pointing the finger at India is missing the point anyway.  They're not the problem. 

But my view is in the minority so I don't expect anyone to agree with me.  India has softened their stance anyway so it's all heading to a point where the umpires are going to act more like orderly's rather than decision makers.

But the DRS technology has it's issues as well. I don't believe it's all that accurate so the flaws will still create arguments. 

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

Time for Dave Warner to fire big time this test. Makes you wonder whether it's time for him to drop down the order to say 5 and use him in the Gilchrist fashion rather than as a bludgeoning opener.

Liked the fact that Australia A had been playing long form games in English conditions during the World Cup but if the competition was anything like what Derbyshire served up it we may have to send over one of our Shield sides next time to give them the necessary practice.

[dl4e 5,851]

It will be interesting to see how Aus backs up after the disaster of the last test. Starc could make the difference, I am glad they kept Wade over Kawaja. Also the unit is back.

[Macca 16,972]

2 hours ago, dl4e said:

It will be interesting to see how Aus backs up after the disaster of the last test. Starc could make the difference, I am glad they kept Wade over Kawaja. Also the unit is back.

We still look brittle after Smith ... no.5 onwards. I would have left Labuschagne at no.5 for that reason.  One of Head or Wade makes way then.

Still leaves a gap at no.3 because of Khawaja's average form but I've still got Khawaja ahead of Head & Wade. 

My team uncludes Renshaw & one of Pucovski or Patterson but none of those 3 are in the squad.  The current batting order does not inspire.  DJ's idea of Warner at no.5 has real merit as well. 

Alex Carey ... just pick him now as the choice of Paine is far too conservative.  The Ashes are on the line so you make the moves now.

It's nothing personal ... all players who aren't top-notch are expendable.  And those players know it too.

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

Odds on for a green top wicket with Archer in the English side.

Will the English send us in again?

As usual it will be a "big" first session
If confidence is a big factor in sport the last test saw a massive swing.

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

No green top apparently.

From cricinfo......

Pitch and conditions

The Old Trafford pitch looked a bit cracked and largely free of grass, suggesting it should be a good batting pitch, and certainly one that the winning captain would be expected to bat first on. It is sufficiently dry that the sides might have considered a second spinner in different circumstances, but with Australia only naming one spin bowler in their touring party, Moeen Ali out of form, and Adil Rashid injured, the Test will largely be dominated by seam.

The forecast is mixed for the five days, with conditions overcast at best for the most part. Friday in particular looks set to be threatened by rain.

PS and for the third test in a row we bat first....

Edited September 4, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

Oh Warner................

[Demon Disciple 12,132]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Oh Warner................

The bloke has got the mental strength of a sloth.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Interesting both Smith and Charlemagne have that fly swat follow through after they leave a ball......ive never really seen it before, but i dont mind it  ....does look a little odd though.

[Macca 16,972]

1 minute ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Interesting both Smith and Charlemagne have that fly swat follow through after they leave a ball......ive never really seen it before, but i dont mind it  ....does look a little odd though.

We are lucky that Archer is bowling half rat power.  15k - 20k down on his best pace.

Lose another one here and we're in allsortsa

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Im curious to understand the tech behind Ultra-edge? I presume the bats dont have sensors in them? Anyone know?

[Macca 16,972]

Decent recovery with our 2 best batsmen at the crease.  Labuschagne continues to impress.  Loves the contest.  A fighter. 

Smith is making a welcome return. 

2 - 98

Aus 10 Eng 8

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

6 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Im curious to understand the tech behind Ultra-edge? I presume the bats dont have sensors in them? Anyone know?

The ultra edge technology helps discerning between the sounds of the bat, pads and clothing during play. The technology uses the stump microphones to differentiate clearly between the sounds created by the different sources. It is an improved version of Snicko.

[dl4e 5,851]

The unit and charlemagne will have to go on with it after lunch. We should be looking to score 400 plus. Great batting surface. I just love watching the unit bat.

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

On the theme of splitting the pick I thought this comment from the Guardian wonderful,,,,,

Archer seems to have done the bowling equivalent of splitting the atom,” suggests John. “A missile into the chops of Smith led to the unexpected yet ultra-capable Labuschagne coming straight into the team – so now there’s two of them out there on the field. Better hope they don’t take any more short balls in the grille! And, no, I’m not a physicist.”

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Dame Gaga said:

The ultra edge technology helps discerning between the sounds of the bat, pads and clothing during play. The technology uses the stump microphones to differentiate clearly between the sounds created by the different sources. It is an improved version of Snicko.

Ok thanks. Yes of course and so used in conjunction with the bat position and camera.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Smith doesnt look the slightest bit fazed here. Archer seems to have become a normal fast medium with the occasional tricky bouncer. Hes only played played 31 first class matches, so without his main weapon of speed he comes back to the field pretty quickly. Pity about the rain breaks and the chip packets. Congrats to Smith for 50. Great comeback (again).

[Macca 16,972]

After lunch we might see a bit more rain ... 14° being the expected top temperature.  Footy weather!

And they might decide to put the brakes on our scoring in this pre-lunch session.  We are scoring at just under 4 runs per over but I'd take 3 an over whilst only losing 2 wickets (not Smith either!) In this session.

That would take us through to about 5 - 260.  We don't want to be 7 down with Smith gone. 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

After lunch we might see a bit more rain ... 14° being the expected top temperature.  Footy weather!

And they might decide to put the brakes on our scoring in this pre-lunch session.  We are scoring at just under 4 runs per over but I'd take 3 an over whilst only losing 2 wickets (not Smith either!) In this session.

That would take us through to about 5 - 260.  We don't want to be 7 down with Smith gone. 

Thanks for the weather forecast Macca ! I didnt realize we were in for more footy weather. Judging by the odds with the draw 2nd favourite now behind us, id say were in for a bit more. If we could bat through the day and have about 1 hour at them before stumps that would be good, provided we have a reasonable score on the board which we should by then. We need to get them out twice. The first half an hour will be vital. Smith needs to survive the refreshed bowling attack and we will be fine.

God knows where wed be if he hadnt been injured. A century in every innings? He sure has the capability, thats for sure, but we will never know i guess. 

[Macca 16,972]

13 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Thanks for the weather forecast Macca ! I didnt realize we were in for more footy weather. Judging by the odds with the draw 2nd favourite now behind us, id say were in for a bit more. If we could bat through the day and have about 1 hour at them before stumps that would be good, provided we have a reasonable score on the board which we should by then. We need to get them out twice. The first half an hour will be vital. Smith needs to survive the refreshed bowling attack and we will be fine.

God knows where wed be if he hadnt been injured. A century in every innings? He sure has the capability, thats for sure, but we will never know i guess. 

Well,  we can decide to just bat long enough where we take the loss out of equation.  Batting first and them batting last means we can control the tempo.  As long as we bat well of course.

We hold the Ashes and they need to win the series to wrest the Ashes back.  Bat for time and the runs will mount up.  And then England have to try and force a result.

As long as Smith is out there batting it is advantage Australia. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,589]

Another cheap wicket

Wade needs a 50 at least