1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

It's also true of this site that players are written off and then surprise, ANB Jetta and Hunt being 3 in recent times

JKH has a preseason to impress and get into the AFL side and stay there

 

Valid point, but despite him being one of my favorites, I am becoming a big doubter of JKH’s ability physically to make the grade. I would just love to be proven wrong. 

Unfortunately his has played for bad games than good and appears to be showing to many weaknesses ATM. ANB and Jetta still showed more at the same stage to warrant progression.

It would take one big turnaround for him to be still on the list after 2018.

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

It's also true of this site that players are written off and then surprise, ANB Jetta and Hunt being 3 in recent times

JKH has a preseason to impress and get into the AFL side and stay there

 

I seriously think you need to take blinkers off .

 

I'm really surprised they kept JKH over Kennedy. Both play very similar roles. I just think Kennedy seemed to have more pace and intensity then Jay. I know Ben's disposal was poor and an issue for him playing VFL this year which may have impacted his chances of staying. 

JKH just hasn't shown any key attributes that he can bring to the top level. He started to find a lot more of the football in the VFL but in the games I watched, his possessions did not amount to much.

I think ANB showed really consistent contested football at VFL and obviously worked on his disposal and decision making to lift himself into the seniors and carve a roll at HF. and Hunt showed terrific competitiveness around the contest in the air and at ground level early on to go along with elite speed. He was breaking the lines early on which is a skill we don't have much of at Melbourne. Jay is sort of stuck in between these two types of players IMO,

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3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I seriously think you need to take blinkers off .

What blinkers      just don't disparage players on the list     I am not the List Manager   nobody on here  is       so no reall idea on decisions 

5 hours ago, monoccular said:

Valid point, but despite him being one of my favorites, I am becoming a big doubter of JKH’s ability physically to make the grade. I would just love to be proven wrong. 

JKH has ability and needs to be  consistent. That will give him confidence with a big preseason.

12 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I seriously think you need to take blinkers off .

He has a point though. JKH was retained when others have been reminded of the nearest exit. That he has one more year to prove himself is a fact.

I'd love to hear from the Casey watchers because mid season he seemed to go up a gear and strung together a number of 40 possession games. If he can translate that in to a regular 25 in the seniors then there's a spot for him.

Like many here I'm sceptical, but the FD who know a lot more about footy than I do have backed him. I am prepared to remain open minded.

13 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

What blinkers      just don't disparage players on the list     I am not the List Manager   nobody on here  is       so no reall idea on decisions 

Don't think he was disparaging, just voicing his opinion on a player, in fact he even said a couple of positive things about him.

Doesn't matter how much he/she 'knows'.

Forums and all that...

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

What blinkers      just don't disparage players on the list     I am not the List Manager   nobody on here  is       so no reall idea on decisions 

Try reading Saty.. Disparaging I dont think. Calling a spade a spade that is all.

A 3ft ruler is not a Metre.  Both will help you , but only one is a metre.

Ill leave you to ponder that.

4 hours ago, Nasher said:

He has a point though. JKH was retained when others have been reminded of the nearest exit. That he has one more year to prove himself is a fact.

I'd love to hear from the Casey watchers because mid season he seemed to go up a gear and strung together a number of 40 possession games. If he can translate that in to a regular 25 in the seniors then there's a spot for him.

Like many here I'm sceptical, but the FD who know a lot more about footy than I do have backed him. I am prepared to remain open minded.

I understand all of that. He still has a year to run on contract , some others don't. Easy to let loose of them. That's another view perhaps.

I'm still stuffed to know where he could play  meaningfully at AFL level and who would be pushed aside. What he does well at VFL  level we can cover at AFL level. I dont see his way in. He'd have to lift enormously  to be able to bash doors down.

I just dont see that happening.

 

(No animals ,trees  or myths were intentionally disparaged ) T & C's apply

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2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I understand all of that. He still has a year to run on contract , some others don't. Easy to let loose of them. That's another view perhaps.

I'm still stuffed to know where he could play  meaningfully at AFL level and who would be pushed aside. What he does well at VFL  level we can cover at AFL level. I dont see his way in. He'd have to lift enormously  to be able to bash doors down.

I just dont see that happening.

 

(No animals ,trees  or myths were intentionally disparaged ) T & C's apply

spoken by me ( you cant cant hear it ) 

Me too bb I just don't see him as an AFL talent. In the few games I saw at Casey he had plenty of possessions but does bugger all with them.

1 hour ago, The Stigga said:

Don't think he was disparaging, just voicing his opinion on a player, in fact he even said a couple of positive things about him.

Doesn't matter how much he/she 'knows'.

Forums and all that...

It's a forum, so I don't agree with some 'opinions' on players, whether JKH can do what is asked of him, and I know what that is, coz I have talked to him, only time will tell, but obviously the FD think he is worth giving a year to, to try

I never stopped wearing 39 on my jumper coz I knew Nev would make it, think, like a couple of coaches, there is something with in JKH, we'll see

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

and I know what that is, coz I have talked to him,

 

 

5 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

It's a forum, so I don't agree with some 'opinions' on players, whether JKH can do what is asked of him, and I know what that is, coz I have talked to him, only time will tell, but obviously the FD think he is worth giving a year to, to try

I never stopped wearing 39 on my jumper coz I knew Nev would make it, think, like a couple of coaches, there is something with in JKH, we'll see

What position...who does he displace ?

Buggered if I know. Has he been told ?

4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

What position...who does he displace ?

Buggered if I know. Has he been told ?

I am not sure what you and some others on here don't get, it is 2017 going into 2018

Goody will each week pick a 22 who are in form and fit, and able to play a role to a high standard

Yes there may be one or two that may get picked on reputation and past performance, but if you don't play your role, you won't get picked, surely the Watts' situation tells you that much

The challenge for JKH and every other player is to be one of those 22 picked on a consistent basis

We had the situation last year where ANB and Harmes hardly appeared in a 'best 22' listing on here pre season, remind me how many games they played again?

I don’t disbelieve you fwiw Saty

But what role is it that has been outlined for him?

I don’t think he’s ‘best option’ for any position yet, but no doubt that he’s on the list there will be an opportunity for him at stage

I ultimately don’t think there’s enough about his ‘brand’ of football to make it at afl level - not massively quick, can get a lot of it in vfl but doesn’t seem to do much with it based on the scant # of games i’ve seen, doesn’t appear to have any brilliant skills, not a big tackler, not a ‘smart’ player

but we shall see