5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Well oh Oracle of correct Keyboard Culture! You can think that!! But Yeah idiosyncracies aside! I don't spend every waking hour on the Keys where RSS is real and doctrinal content and political correctness is at a "Premium! " Excuse this Poor Keyboard Technician!! 

Now, What was your piont agian?? Einstein??

Should have mandatory breathalyzers for keyboards on Demonland...

 

Just now, DV8 said:

There, right there is your problem Picket.

You mind is in the past, instead of the possibilities to come.

Probabilities??! Now you really are DREAMIN! Tell you what I'll offer you one Trngove for a set of Jousting Sticks??

And you know the Answer to that don't you??

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Tyson Slow! But most times in correct space! Ther's your difference!!

Right, so now Trengove is a dumb footballer too?

FMD. Give up mate. Tuck yourself in now, don't forget the panadol and water next to the bed tonight.

 

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Should have mandatory breathalyzers for keyboards on Demonland...

 

Sheeit, some here would then never ever be able to Post!!!!

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Sheeit, some here would then never ever be able to Post!!!!

That's the idea...

 

10 minutes ago, stuie said:

Right, so now Trengove is a dumb footballer too?

FMD. Give up mate. Tuck yourself in now, don't forget the panadol and water next to the bed tonight.

 

You are now showing your ignorance Stuie, Trengove is not a "Dumb" player but rather, others think quicker and smarter in footy sense and therefore are in better spaces to get the ball! That PLUS his lack of pace are telling! 

Have you ever played the game??

Correction if you had played the game you would know that! That's why champions are just that! they think quicker, know where to go and are "Instinctive" 

We need more of those types!

Next??

Edited September 25, 20168 yr by picket fence

4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

You are now showing your ignorance Stuie, Trengove is not a "Dumb" player but rather, others think quicker and smarter in footy sense and therefore are in better spaces to get the ball! That PLUS his lack of pace are telling! 

Have you ever played the game??

Right, so he's not dumb, he's just not as smart as everyone else.

Makes sense.

Have you ever posted sober?

 

Sober?? Whats that got to do with it?? Sheeit show me a "Sober" poster and I'll show you a Publican who doesn't drink!

18 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Probabilities??! Now you really are DREAMIN! Tell you what I'll offer you one Trngove for a set of Jousting Sticks??

And you know the Answer to that don't you??

Keep your money PF, don't go out and buy those jousting sticks, you'll lose ya money. 

I'll back Trenners to give his all, and that's good enough.  We can't ask more than a player giving everything.

27 minutes ago, DV8 said:

We owe each other.  We owe him a decent chance to recover, based on what he sacrificed for us when we called on him.  And based on his character.  His footy smarts, & his work ethic to go beyond.

Great clubs are based around great people.  Trenners is a person you want around your club.

We took the punt and drafted him. We played him. Made him captain. Rehabilitated him. Payed him his wages. I wouldn't say we owe him much. Just rate him like any other player.

17 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

We took the punt and drafted him. We played him. Made him captain. Rehabilitated him. Payed him his wages. I wouldn't say we owe him much. Just rate him like any other player.

Yes, he never should have been made captain at such a young age.  So he did what we wanted him to do. We thru him to the wolves.  And just maybe we caused his threatening injury as well.

Yes we owe him, just as he owes us, to give his all.

I think we are giving him every opportunity to make it as a senior player, maybe another pre season might to do it.

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

You are now showing your ignorance Stuie, Trengove is not a "Dumb" player but rather, others think quicker and smarter in footy sense and therefore are in better spaces to get the ball! That PLUS his lack of pace are telling! 

Have you ever played the game??

Correction if you had played the game you would know that! That's why champions are just that! they think quicker, know where to go and are "Instinctive" 

We need more of those types!

Next??

I can 100% promise you JT is not a dumb footballer, he is if not the sharpest footballer at our club, top 2-3. 

he has a new contract so regardless of what you or i think he will be playing next year, and he'll have a full pre season to prove he isn't done yet. 

i would prefer to wish him all the best rather than suggest we delist a contracted former captain. 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM, McQueen said:

Clearly the posters who want to continually talk down Trengove's chances didn't hear that his return to senior AFL footy this year wasn't expected. His rehab went ahead of schedule and the match committee had no option other than to reward his VFL form. Now because he doesn't dominate a prelim final you lay the boots in again. Fair dinkum.

I'd be pretty confident the fitness program they have in store for Jack will focus on him regaining that burst power that people love to knock him on.

A full pre season with no carry-over injuries will be the turning point.

Just quoting this again as it is as accurate today as it was last week

3 minutes ago, Generation dee said:

Just quoting this again as it is as accurate today as it was last week

Watched him in VFL GF yesterday. Has a lot of work to do imo. Footy Dept thinks the investment is worthwhile although could be more sentiment than reality.

Very very slow yesterday and couldnt break tackles. Anyway we will see after his preseason.

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

Well oh Oracle of correct Keyboard Culture! You can think that!! But Yeah idiosyncracies aside! I don't spend every waking hour on the Keys where RSS is real and doctrinal content and political correctness is at a "Premium! " Excuse this Poor Keyboard Technician!! 

Now, What was your piont agian?? Einstein??

Wtf are you even on about? You're one of those typical old blokes who talks about the brilliant career you had, when the reality was you were a soft outside wingman who would have screamed like a shot pig both times you ever got near enough the ball to be tackled. 

Trengove was never about this year, it was all about rehab and getting his injury right. The 20 odd games he played is a massive bonus, especially a few in the seniors. This preseason he will slim down, work on his agility and speed and next year we will have a bloke back who not only is physically better prepared, but mentally confident in his body too. 

6 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Watched him in VFL GF yesterday. Has a lot of work to do imo. Footy Dept thinks the investment is worthwhile although could be more sentiment than reality.

Very very slow yesterday and couldnt break tackles. Anyway we will see after his preseason.

Yeah, let's be honest here. He was omitted from the seniors as he wasn't quite up to speed when he played mid year. The fact that you and I see he isn't covering the ground that well yet would mean the Melbourne coaches, fitness staff  and development guys would all have seen this as well. At worst, they try to work on his agility and fail, we have a handy 20-30 ranked player on our list who is a good influence and leader on a young squad. 

At best, he improves the agility and gets confidence in his body, and we end up with a smart, tough, skillful mid- forward in the Bartel mould. 

List of midfielders miles infront of him:
Jones, Tyson, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Vince, CP5, Salem, Stretch, Vandenberg

Players who will rotate in and out of other roles that are ahead of him:
Garlett, Kent, Hunt, Harmes, Melksham*, Hibbard*
*Havent played so dont 100% know how they will fit but they wernt picked up for Casey

Players on par with him:
ANB, Bugg, Kennedy, JKH 

If he gets into the senior side consistantly (without relying on a mass injury crisis) I'll put my hand up and say I'm wrong... but it would just about take an act of God for him to get close let alone make it past those blokes. I just look at that and cant see why they would have renewed his contract other than sentiment. 

3 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

List of midfielders miles infront of him:
Jones, Tyson, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Vince, CP5, Salem, Stretch, Vandenberg

Players who will rotate in and out of other roles that are ahead of him:
Garlett, Kent, Hunt, Harmes, Melksham*, Hibbard*
*Havent played so dont 100% know how they will fit but they wernt picked up for Casey

Players on par with him:
ANB, Bugg, Kennedy, JKH 

If he gets into the senior side consistantly (without relying on a mass injury crisis) I'll put my hand up and say I'm wrong... but it would just about take an act of God for him to get close let alone make it past those blokes. I just look at that and cant see why they would have renewed his contract other than sentiment. 

Because he's a highly talented and highly professional young player, absolute aerobic beast and if he can pick up a little more speed with a full pre season he could easily be the hard running mid we currently desperately lack, he'd be getting paid peanuts and worst case scenario provides strong leadership and depth at VFL level, keeps pressure on the seniors, there is absolutely zero risk in giving him another year and potential for significant reward. 

the issue with your point of view is you're making this call based on the now, in his first 2 years i'd have Trenners ahead of at least half of your top list, the club is clearly backing him to recapture his pre injury form.

people seem to forget just how good he was before his injury, and forget that we lose very little- nothing by giving him another year.

40 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Watched him in VFL GF yesterday. Has a lot of work to do imo. Footy Dept thinks the investment is worthwhile although could be more sentiment than reality.

Very very slow yesterday and couldnt break tackles. Anyway we will see after his preseason.

People are too sentimental some times.

Trengove is currently one of the slowest midfielders to play the modern game. The game is evolving into an end-to-end, slingshot affair, with manic defensive pressure the full length of the ground.

If Trenners is not used as an attacking option, he is finished as a top lever footballer, because if his opponent isn't limping with a broken leg, he is incapable of catching anyone.

22 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

List of midfielders miles infront of him:
Jones, Tyson, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Vince, CP5, Salem, Stretch, Vandenberg

Players who will rotate in and out of other roles that are ahead of him:
Garlett, Kent, Hunt, Harmes, Melksham*, Hibbard*
*Havent played so dont 100% know how they will fit but they wernt picked up for Casey

Players on par with him:
ANB, Bugg, Kennedy, JKH 

If he gets into the senior side consistantly (without relying on a mass injury crisis) I'll put my hand up and say I'm wrong... but it would just about take an act of God for him to get close let alone make it past those blokes. I just look at that and cant see why they would have renewed his contract other than sentiment. 

Who at the start of the year would have thought Hunt would be regular 22?

What about OMac?

What about Salem?

Whose "best 22" at the start of the year bore any resemblance to the actual 22 running out in the last month of the season?

Things change, players come in and out of form. Players hit a hot streak. Others hit a cold streak.

I'm not predicting anything for Trengove. Not saying he "will" be best 22 , regular 22, or regular Casey.

But things change. If he's given a role, and performs it consistently, he can end up regular 22. Same goes for any player.

1 minute ago, Ted Fidge said:

Who at the start of the year would have thought Hunt would be regular 22?

What about OMac?

What about Salem?

Whose "best 22" at the start of the year bore any resemblance to the actual 22 running out in the last month of the season?

Things change, players come in and out of form. Players hit a hot streak. Others hit a cold streak.

I'm not predicting anything for Trengove. Not saying he "will" be best 22 , regular 22, or regular Casey.

But things change. If he's given a role, and performs it consistently, he can end up regular 22. Same goes for any player.

Not sure many would have predicted Watts would have the season he did. 

Unfortunately, Jack won't make it as a player, so the decision to re-sign him is without doubt political and cultural IMO. Normally I'd be against signing someone of his output, but given what he's been through and the resilience he's shown, these are unusual circumstances worthy of recognition.

Edited September 26, 20168 yr by A F

2 hours ago, jackaub said:

Watched him in VFL GF yesterday. Has a lot of work to do imo. Footy Dept thinks the investment is worthwhile although could be more sentiment than reality.

Very very slow yesterday and couldnt break tackles. Anyway we will see after his preseason.

Nobody except for Clarrie was breaking tackles yesterday. The problem was that nobody was running to receive a handball, and when they were (esp first half), the handball missed them and it caused a turnover. When that happens a few times, everybody stops running.

I was surprised watching Swans vs Geelong how slow Heeney is in a footrace. Doesn't do his game a lot of harm though.

1 hour ago, Abe said:

Because he's a highly talented and highly professional young player, absolute aerobic beast and if he can pick up a little more speed with a full pre season he could easily be the hard running mid we currently desperately lack, he'd be getting paid peanuts and worst case scenario provides strong leadership and depth at VFL level, keeps pressure on the seniors, there is absolutely zero risk in giving him another year and potential for significant reward. 

the issue with your point of view is you're making this call based on the now, in his first 2 years i'd have Trenners ahead of at least half of your top list, the club is clearly backing him to recapture his pre injury form.

people seem to forget just how good he was before his injury, and forget that we lose very little- nothing by giving him another year.

I'd compare Trengove's first season to Brayshaw's, and maybe even a little better. He was on track to become a total freak, and there were plenty of comparisons to Jimmy Bartel. Makes his decline so much harder to swallow, but I truly believe he can get himself back to the point where he is a regular in the 22. He is a guy of immense character and football talent.