Best 22 for Round 1, 2017

[Adam The God 30,065]

5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Jetta is a  far better stopper, but I suspect you underrate Duryea's smarts and setup.

Watched him make a lot of errors this season and panic under pressure a bit. I just don't rate him. No comment on his smarts or setup. Each to their own though.

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20 minutes ago, A F said:

Watched him make a lot of errors this season and panic under pressure a bit. I just don't rate him. No comment on his smarts or setup. Each to their own though.

I suspect it was harder down back this year.  How much contested footy was their midfield winning ?

He's a good player.

[Adam The God 30,065]

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I suspect it was harder down back this year.  How much contested footy was their midfield winning ?

He's a good player.

Agreed, it would have been harder, but those other backs you previously mentioned didn't seem to crumble like he did, under the same strain.

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16 minutes ago, A F said:

Agreed, it would have been harder, but those other backs you previously mentioned didn't seem to crumble like he did, under the same strain.

I think Burchall lost some of his mojo the last couple of years, but yes, Duryea is the weakest link, albeit a good one. 

[Ted Lasso 19,191]

16 hours ago, ProDee said:

Stratton is a key position player, not a small back.  Morris is an undersized key defender, not a small back.  Smith is a gun.

The likelihood is that Jetta plays, it's just my hope that he becomes redundant sooner rather than later. 

I reckon Jetta spent plenty of time on key forwards this year with the zone set up, but i see your point, even having this conversation is a great sign of how far the club has come.

[monoccular 17,409]

On 24/10/2016 at 1:44 PM, ProDee said:

Apparently, Salem needs to win back a spot, even though he was our best player in the last game we played; while Melksham doesn't need to win back the spot he never had.

Thankfully, Salem has 5 months to win said spot and funnily enough, Melksham has 5 moths to win a spot too.

I would agree that any player who has had 12 months out of the game will either be (i) bursting with energy and enthusiasm or (ii) jaded and be slow to get out of the blocks.   To name such as a lock in best 22 seems premature.

How about at least having a look at training and preseason (can't remember with all the annual changes, is it still Ansett Cup??) form. 

Still I guess it is all a bit of fun at this stage.   

Could even speculate on the hidden gem we pick up at pick 57 or whatever debuting and getting BOG and rising star. 

[Deespicable 2,717]

I think this topic this year is going to be great all the way through to the clash in late March with St Kilda because no matter how good a judge we think we are, or how much inside info we have, this year we have depth in almost every area (except a mobile ruckman/forward) and there are about 30 players who most of us would be very comfortable getting a game Rd 1, yet there are only 22 spots.

As to who gets the final spot, it is so variable and will depend so much on fitness, form and Goody and his assistant coaches special preferences.

I mean who would have honestly tipped last year that our vice captain of 2015 would be so out of favour because he turned up with a bit of extra puppy fat pre-season. We all knew that Lynden Dunn lacked pace, but we all thought that his other good points (thumping kick/great tunneler and experience) would make him a starter and we were all wrong.

As a result I am a bit worried that Bernie may become the "too old, not fast enough" scapegoat, but he showed in his second year at the Dees that even without a proper pre-season he was up for a scrap and it wouldn't surprise me if he emerged as a very dangerous high half-forward goal scorer.

My only hope is that our selectors err a bit towards the older guys for the first couple of weeks as I always like it when in line-ball decisions we show respect before hope. 

[hemingway 7,615]

On 11/1/2016 at 10:36 AM, ProDee said:

I predict Smith and/or Wagner go past Jetta in 2017.

I also have strong doubts over Garlett.

As our friend Ron would say.......I rate Wagner and Smith is developing nicely. Can't see Jetta losing his spot in 2017 except for a sudden drop off in form or injury.

Fully agree on Garlett. When he is on song he is terrific and adds that X factor but just goes missing too often. I think 2017 will determine his future. 

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47 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I would agree that any player who has had 12 months out of the game will either be (i) bursting with energy and enthusiasm or (ii) jaded and be slow to get out of the blocks.   To name such as a lock in best 22 seems premature.

How about at least having a look at training and preseason (can't remember with all the annual changes, is it still Ansett Cup??) form. 

Still I guess it is all a bit of fun at this stage.   

Could even speculate on the hidden gem we pick up at pick 57 or whatever debuting and getting BOG and rising star. 

I think anyone predicts a best 22 in November on the basis of "all things considered".

[Adam The God 30,065]

58 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

I think this topic this year is going to be great all the way through to the clash in late March with St Kilda because no matter how good a judge we think we are, or how much inside info we have, this year we have depth in almost every area (except a mobile ruckman/forward) and there are about 30 players who most of us would be very comfortable getting a game Rd 1, yet there are only 22 spots.

As to who gets the final spot, it is so variable and will depend so much on fitness, form and Goody and his assistant coaches special preferences.

I mean who would have honestly tipped last year that our vice captain of 2015 would be so out of favour because he turned up with a bit of extra puppy fat pre-season. We all knew that Lynden Dunn lacked pace, but we all thought that his other good points (thumping kick/great tunneler and experience) would make him a starter and we were all wrong.

As a result I am a bit worried that Bernie may become the "too old, not fast enough" scapegoat, but he showed in his second year at the Dees that even without a proper pre-season he was up for a scrap and it wouldn't surprise me if he emerged as a very dangerous high half-forward goal scorer.

My only hope is that our selectors err a bit towards the older guys for the first couple of weeks as I always like it when in line-ball decisions we show respect before hope. 

The only reason Bernie's position would be in danger is if he continues to turn the ball over under little pressure. For a senior player, that's not good enough. He's not playing in the guts as much, so there's really no excuse for those turnovers. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:

I think this topic this year is going to be great all the way through to the clash in late March with St Kilda because no matter how good a judge we think we are, or how much inside info we have, this year we have depth in almost every area (except a mobile ruckman/forward) and there are about 30 players who most of us would be very comfortable getting a game Rd 1, yet there are only 22 spots.

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes we're short on KPB depth.

If T-Mac goes down, we have Frost and O-Mac. They barely clock 50 games put together and still look like deer in headlights at times.

I wanted an older and more experienced KD in the off-season and I'm still hoping we draft/rookie one. 

 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

18 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes we're short on KPB depth.

If T-Mac goes down, we have Frost and O-Mac. They barely clock 50 games put together and still look like deer in headlights at times.

I wanted an older and more experienced KD in the off-season and I'm still hoping we draft/rookie one. 

 

We've got Garlo with 160 odd games and also Peds who's been around a long time. There not the best coverage going around but the reality is we've just let our most experienced KPD go because he couldn't get a game.

I think we need KPD depth but for mine it doesn't necessarily have to be older and experienced. 

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4 hours ago, hemingway said:

As our friend Ron would say.......I rate Wagner and Smith is developing nicely. Can't see Jetta losing his spot in 2017 except for a sudden drop off in form or njury.

Fully agree on Garlett. When he is on song he is terrific and adds that X factor but just goes missing too often. I think 2017 will determine his future. 

He was standing under the giant red cedar at Three Ways with his thumb out and so I slowed and wound down the passenger window and said g'day mate throw your surfboard in the back with mine and you and your dog jump in. I am heading to Byron for a paddle great he said me too. Wow he said it smells like treacle in here and his eyes lit up as I passed my half smoked cheroot to him. Ta he said my names Goody and my dog is Toddy. Well boys you can call me the Wolf. You look awfully familiar Goody you don't coach the Dees in your day job do ya. His laugh was lost in a cloud of blue and yellow smoke and I knew I was in for a good day.

And so as we wound our way down the mountains along Wilson creek Road we talked and smoked and Toddy lay curled on the floor his eyes glazed over. Tell me about the starting 22 and the new game plan Goody I insisted. The cheroot was the real deal but I didn't think I had crossed the line well not all the way. Whose the back six Goody does Hibberd come straight in. We don't do back sixers anymore Wolf we just have one defender or really he is our keeper. Really who is it Goody. Well Wolf it has to be someone with great athletics speed power and not to much between the ears. He has to be all instinct and power. Oh well that's easy Goody its big Frosty. Yes wolf Frosty is way down back on his own knowing that he has only one role which is kill the bastards before they goal. But he cant stop them all on his own Goody I blurted as I inhaled the new cigar. Oh he is not on his own Wolfy we have the First Wave in front of him to protect him and to start our attacks. The First Wave goody I like it I can see me up there on my big mal. Wolf hang on your mixing metaphors or stonedreams or something. The first wave Wolfy has Bernie Vince in charge at the old CHB and he has the left trio and the right flank trio and they wait for his direction. The left trio is OMac Hibberd and Hunt and the right trio is TMac Prince and Salem. What dya think Wolfman each trio has a tall a runner and a kicker and Bernie is the fulcrum. Aah well Goody that's 8 behind the centre square isn't that gunna leave us short up forward and if that was the first wave is there a second or a third.

Hey wolf pass that cigar over here and ill let you into the dream of footy by Goody. Okay but this better be good I need to book my September flights now. Well Wolf the second wave is in two parts the left and right Outsiders. These pairs of Outsiders are the missiles Wolf both runners and kickers on the left we have Melksham and Brayshaw and on the right Watts and Stretch pairs Wolf running as a team within a team. And the third wave is the Grunters yes Wolf big Max and Lewy Jonesy and Little Jack and they have the role to ignite us and they use the right and left trio or the right or left outsiders and like the relentless surf Wolf they surge and roll and crash and take flight.

Okay Goody I am seeing it like this Frosty way down back on his own with a simple role that if it gets to him then take no prisoners. Meanwhile we have a line across the back of the square of Bernie and his two attack platoons and then across the middle eight guys four crashing and bashing and two on either side ready to run and run. Sounds great mate but that's 16 so you only have two guys up forward. Quite right Wolfy but guess who they are yes Hogan and the Truck oh [censored] Wolfy these two guys are gonna rip it up. Tuck starts in the goal square and Hogan starts way out on the left forward flank and you should see the patterns the run Wolfy it would make a dolphin cry. And so Wolfy we have 4 guys on the bench and who do you reckon they would be but first I think your bogarting that cheroot. Sorry Goldy well its easy to see whose on the bench it has to be Harmes oliver and Tyson or Kent or Garlett or Pedo bugger I don't know goldy. Well Wolf you've missed the point mate this is the sixth wave mate this is a team not four individuals they come on together and cause mayhem I call them the Chaos team and its Kenty mad as a snake Buggy mad as a rat Olly mad as a wild boar and Neville mad as wild honey.

There was a strange sound in the car and it was Toddy on his back on the floor eyes rolling tongue lolling feet straight up and I swear he was singing...Its a grand old...

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I believe Jetta will get better.

I can see him changing roles to more of a defensive forward and actually being good at it.

He is a better run with player than Bugg.

 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

This is a really good thread - it contains well thought through and expressed views as to team composition and certain players strengths and weaknesses without petty, personal attacks and point scoring.

Top work to the contributors.

 

[faultydet 7,594]

On 01/11/2016 at 0:16 PM, hardtack said:

I think Jetta will stay ahead in the pecking order simply because the others (Wagner and Smith) lack the raw aggression that he brings to the game.  I'm not too concerned over his disposal by foot as his job is more to lock the ball down and get it to someone who can move it out of defence quickly (Hunt etc). Like you, this is just my take on it.

I haven't seen the agility required from Wagner to shut down the likes of Betts and similar players. Jetta is not fast, but can change direction fairly quickly, and use this to cut off angles. Also agree with the physicality query.

Have not seen one minute of Smith, but he would need to be different from his old man, to run with Betts/Wingard.

[Ted Lasso 19,191]

I wonder if Weid will be seen as best 22 just yet or if the club feels he needs a bit more time to play regular senior footy. 

I think he's capable of contributing but we don't want to burn him out so i'd be surprised if he plays more than 60% of the games next year, unless his form is outstanding. 

Alex Neal-Bullen is going to have to change something to get a run in my opinion, he's behind a large group of quality young mids who are only going to get better and doesn't seem to offer any real x-factor. 

perhaps he needs to try and re-invent himself in a new position, though i wonder if he has the tools as a player to play many roles, not sure he's skillful enough to play off half back, so maybe defensive forward.

Jeffy needs to get back to his best or he will find himself fighting for his spot, i thought last year he had a bit of a form slump, and he stopped getting the goals out the back, which to mean was an indication his work rate dropped off slightly, perhaps he was carrying an injury, but if he can get back to his best and Watts and Hogan get better again we'll be in a great place to make finals next year. 

Frost is one i think needs to improve to hold his place, he is fortunate though we don't have a lot putting pressure on as the third defender, with Dunn off to the filth and Garland seemingly out of form totally with some luck Garlo can hit back strongly and we'll be a better side for it, if not i'd be open to playing Jetta as an undersized third defender and having an extra attacking option down back.

Vince is interesting because he's getting a bit older, i think he will still do stints through the midfield but may also spend a good amount of time off half back, despite averaging 26 disposals this year i am not sure he was nearly as damaging as when he won the bluey, would be very handy if he found his best form in 2017

 really think Brayshaw and Salem are ready to have break out years, both have obvious talent but last year just coiuldn't get a run at it, when they did play they showed some great signs, especially at the back end of the season, with any luck they'll complete a full pre season and both will make big strides in 2017

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7 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I haven't seen the agility required from Wagner to shut down the likes of Betts and similar players. Jetta is not fast, but can change direction fairly quickly, and use this to cut off angles. Also agree with the physicality query.

Have not seen one minute of Smith, but he would need to be different from his old man, to run with Betts/Wingard.

You're right, Jetta has a very good stop and step.  I think Wagner would struggle on a slippery small.

[faultydet 7,594]

2 hours ago, Abe said:

Alex Neal-Bullen:    

Frost is one i think needs to improve to hold his place.      

 really think Brayshaw and Salem are ready to have break out years 

 

Agree about Neal-Bullen. Just does not seem to have one trait that shows as above average. Maybe there is a role for a bloke who can run the length of the ground all day, but I can't figure out what that might be.

 I LOVED what I saw from Frost late in the season, when he was not asked to play deep forward. He has every tool except the elite footy brain, and seems to run himself into trouble at times. Not sure how to fix this, but hopefully more experience will teach him how to take the correct option first time.

I'm not quite as sold on Salem as some, but he was very impressive in his last game (From memory) Simply needs to find a way to get his hands on the ball more often. Also don't think he is a shutdown defender, at least not yet. That's why players like Jetta are so important in my eyes. Also Hibberd. He is what I hope Salem will become. Hard, can shut his man down, pinpoint disposal, and gets the ball heaps.

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[faultydet 7,594]

16 minutes ago, ProDee said:

You're right, Jetta has a very good stop and step.  I think Wagner would struggle on a slippery small.

Looking forward to seeing Smith. You certainly seem excited by him.

Have you seen anything of our other rookie? Maynard?

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1 minute ago, faultydet said:

 

I think Salem will end up being like a Daniel Kerr type, 15-16 touches from him will nearly be worth 30 from someone else because of how damaging he can be. 

I think Frost will come good down back in time, but as you say a bit like Tom McDonald, probably just needs to know his limitations really well in order to minimize the mistakes. 

if you want a bloke who can just run all day and be an outside link player Jack Trengove is an aerobic animal, but he needs to add a bit more leg speed to really impact at AFL level consistently imo, from all reports he's working on it, so i look forward to seeing how his year goes. 

Alex i see as a pure inside midfielder.

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Just now, faultydet said:

Looking forward to seeing Smith. You certainly seem excited by him.

Have you seen anything of our other rookie? Maynard?

Smith just did some things in a couple of games that made you think wow, this guy has pace to burn, good disposal and courage.  He looked like Howe, but with speed and better contested ball-winning ability.

Hearing how highly rated he is at the club rounds out the picture.  It means jack if an amateur like me likes a player, but you get excited if the club is excited.

I know nothing of Maynard. 

[faultydet 7,594]

2 minutes ago, Abe said:

I think Salem will end up being like a Daniel Kerr type, 15-16 touches from him will nearly be worth 30 from someone else because of how damaging he can be. 

I think Frost will come good down back in time, but as you say a bit like Tom McDonald, probably just needs to know his limitations really well in order to minimize the mistakes. 

if you want a bloke who can just run all day and be an outside link player Jack Trengove is an aerobic animal, but he needs to add a bit more leg speed to really impact at AFL level consistently imo, from all reports he's working on it, so i look forward to seeing how his year goes. 

Alex i see as a pure inside midfielder.

I see Trenners as gone at end of season. Just so so slow, and showing zero signs of improvement. Such a shame, as his hands are fantastic.

If Neal-Bullen is strictly an inside mid, he will struggle for game time unless we have a horrendous injury run.

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2 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I see Trenners as gone at end of season. Just so so slow, and showing zero signs of improvement. Such a shame, as his hands are fantastic.

If Neal-Bullen is strictly an inside mid, he will struggle for game time unless we have a horrendous injury run.

Trenners will be very interesting to watch, i really think he is good enough to make it as a good role player, but this pre season will decide that, he needs to come back in ripping shape and move freely, his lack of speed/power is a concern especially in the modern game but slow players can still be good players i believe so time will tell. 

I am super excited by Smith, i watched him play three times this year and every time he really caught my eye, not so much for rackin the ball up, but just things he did that just really made you take notice, i reckon ProDee might agree with me here, but he's very strong in the air, but also has real speed and the combination of the two is what most excites me, plus he's very hard at it.

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1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

This is a really good thread - it contains well thought through and expressed views as to team composition and certain players strengths and weaknesses without petty, personal attacks and point scoring.

Top work to the contributors.

 

Shut-up you ninny and learn something about the game! Farrrken!