2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Dawes isn't in the leadership group.

"Superficial knowledge" hey... Ironic.

That's because Dawes mouths off before a Hawks game and then proceeds to stink it up.

 

Just now, Biffen said:

That's because Dawes mouths off before a Hawks game and then proceeds to stink it up.

 

Bit like Bernie mucking up against West Coast... Back to your 1950s thread champ.
 

You can clearly relate to Dawes and his tough talk.

I prefer to have the skills of Bernie talk for us, which he does most weeks.

On 7/24/2016 at 11:16 AM, ProDee said:

I like Bernie, but I've rarely seen an experienced senior player make the mistakes he does.  And he does it every single week.

Might explain why the Crows saw him as surplus.

Though he has been very good for us,

Edited July 25, 20169 yr by Redleg

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

You can clearly relate to Dawes and his tough talk.

I prefer to have the skills of Bernie talk for us, which he does most weeks.

As I said, he's a great player and great bloke, but that doesn't mean he's a great leader.

But hey if you like leaders who give away 3 crucial mistakes that cost us games because you think it's tough then you really are stuck in the past.

 

Vince plays on the edge and is out there doing everything possible to turn the game in our favour- it's what Roos brought him here for and the license he was given. When you're playing on the edge it's easy for it to go the other way but seriously with what he's brought to the club I don't see how any silly errors could possibly come close to countering the upside of this guy being in the 22.

Wasn't there a thread last week criticising and questioning Jones? I guess that died down after his 34 possession, 8 tackle effort against West Coast.

Most weeks Jones and Vince show up and they bring it, starting a thread to criticise either of them for having a quiet day (by their usual standards) after a loss isn't warranted.

8 minutes ago, stuie said:

As I said, he's a great player and great bloke, but that doesn't mean he's a great leader.

But hey if you like leaders who give away 3 crucial mistakes that cost us games because you think it's tough then you really are stuck in the past.

 

Hes one of about 5 great leaders we now have.

We previously only had Jones .

Don't give a rats that he gave away frees.

We were not even worthy of him until some twerp in Adelaide decided he was surplus.

You would go well in the crows footy dept.

Constant irrational presumptions like your and their are how we got Bernie and Garlett.

8 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Hes one of about 5 great leaders we now have.

Please name these "5 great leaders"....

 

6 minutes ago, stuie said:

Please name these "5 great leaders"....

 

Vince, Jones, Viney, Gawn, Watts. "Great" is a matter of interpretation though.

Edited July 25, 20169 yr by Chook

Just now, Chook said:

Vince, Jones, Viney, Gawn, Watts.

That's 2 good leaders and 3 very good players, not "5 great leaders".

 

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

Please name these "5 great leaders"....

 

Easy

Jones

Vince

Viney

Gawn

Watts.

1 minute ago, stuie said:

That's 2 good leaders and 3 very good players, not "5 great leaders".

 

I realise what you're saying. You'll even see I edited my post to reflect that.

Just now, Biffen said:

Easy

Jones

Vince

Viney

Gawn

Watts.

As above.

None of them are "great leaders".

3 minutes ago, Chook said:

Vince, Jones, Viney, Gawn, Watts. "Great" is a matter of interpretation though.

Just read your post after posting but easy isn't it?

 

Just now, Chook said:

I realise what you're saying. You'll even see I edited my post to reflect that.

Yeah fair enough mate. I love all 5 of those blokes, I just don't think we have a "great leader" at this stage. Viney will likely become that with a bit more experience. Vince and Viney bust their guts, Watts is a great bloke as is Gawn, but I just don't think we have a "great leader" at this stage. Kieran Jack is a "great leader", Roo is a "great leader" as are Selwood and Murphy. None of our guys are in that category.

 

53 minutes ago, stuie said:

As above.

None of them are "great leaders".

Sure beats Byrnes ,Dawes and Cross

On 7/24/2016 at 11:16 AM, ProDee said:

I like Bernie, but I've rarely seen an experienced senior player make the mistakes he does.  And he does it every single week.

 

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

 

Exactly what he did at Adelaide. Won a BnF and then his head and ego exploded. Concentrate on playing footy Bernie and get off the media stage.

Did something happen to the guy during the week? I cant recall him ever playing this bad for either us or Adelaide. He really looked listless and just awful today (though he wasnt alone, viney was half asleep)

That final kick was lazy, lazy, lazy. You could tell as soon as Lynch cut it off, Bernie was thinking, "WTF did I just do?" Almost cost us the win. 

Why did you kick it straight to Lynch?

11 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Exactly what he did at Adelaide. Won a BnF and then his head and ego exploded. Concentrate on playing footy Bernie and get off the media stage.

Nah - was worse than that today.  Worst game in the red and blue by far.  Hardly touched it and wasted it so many times.  

9 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Did something happen to the guy during the week? I cant recall him ever playing this bad for either us or Adelaide. He really looked listless and just awful today (though he wasnt alone, viney was half asleep)

You mean did something happen to him 6 weeks ago... His been very poor since the QB game. 

46 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Nah - was worse than that today.  Worst game in the red and blue by far.  Hardly touched it and wasted it so many times.  

Agreed, but he's had an ordinary year. Apart from a couple of games loose off half back, he's been a shadow of 2014/2015.

Edited July 31, 20169 yr by AdamFphlebeb

49 minutes ago, Diamond said:

Why did you kick it straight to Lynch?

I'm going to let him blame the sun on this occasion.

He was staring straight into it and their colours are kind of sunny ,as they are the suns.

So maybe he couldn't see Lynch in the Sun.