Why Bernie, why?

[Little Goffy 14,667]

While Bernie getting his own thread is a bit ridiculous, his 'less great' season this year does remind me of the days of Yze, Johnstone, Woewodin, Robertson, White, Bruce, Davey, Green and Moloney.

8 of our last 16 B&F winners only managed a few really elite seasons scattered here and there, mixed in with a lot of very good or just good (or even plain ordinary) seasons. 

That pattern really messed up our salary cap, and the lack of 10-year consistent high performers I think is part of why we have been a bit fragile under pressure and vulnerable to boil-overs from teams much weaker on paper.

Looking for the 'any game, any time, always ready' attitude.

 

[stuie 7,374]

Great bloke, great player, not a leader.

 

[thesleepinggiant 160]

How dare ANYONE have a go at bernie.

If it wernt for his effort week in week out we'd most likely only have half dozen wins or less.

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[jumbo returns 6,741]

17 hours ago, dee-tox said:

No Biff. Don't care about the slipping over. I care about the five stupid free kicks, the seven clangers, the bad options, the faux tough guy act, etc

Next to Jack Viney and the skip, hardest nut in the team....

[Adam The God 30,540]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

I like Bernie, but I've rarely seen an experienced senior player make the mistakes he does.  And he does it every single week.

I'd certainly agree with that for 2016. It appears his head has got even bigger after the Bluey.

[John Demonic 5,870]

Because a player is good and has contributed much, you're not allowed to actually point out an area of his game that could improve, on this forum ? Weird attitude...

Edited July 24, 2016 by johndemons

[Adam The God 30,540]

51 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Next to Jack Viney and the skip, hardest nut in the team....

Lol, mate. Come on. His aggression is almost the equivalent of Dunn's jump-punching from back in the day.

Bernie is a show pony when it comes to playing off half back. He can play some sublime games from the midfield though. 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

3 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Lol, mate. Come on. His aggression is almost the equivalent of Dunn's jump-punching from back in the day.

Bernie is a show pony when it comes to playing off half back. He can play some sublime games from the midfield though. 

No way - hard at it.

[Ricky P 757]

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

I like Bernie, but I've rarely seen an experienced senior player make the mistakes he does.  And he does it every single week.

This is an exaggeration.

[old dee 23,916]

On 24/07/2016 at 9:28 AM, Redleg said:

A more balanced post might be:

Is Bernie one of our best players?  Yes.

Does he give his all?  Yes.

Was yesterday one of his best games for us?  No.

Did he make quite a few mistakes?  Yes. 

Spot on Mr Leg

[stuie 7,374]

On 24/07/2016 at 0:57 PM, thesleepinggiant said:

How dare ANYONE have a go at bernie.

If it wernt for his effort week in week out we'd most likely only have half dozen wins or less.

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No one is having a go at his effort, just his leadership.

 

[old dee 23,916]

On 24/07/2016 at 0:57 PM, thesleepinggiant said:

How dare ANYONE have a go at bernie.

If it wernt for his effort week in week out we'd most likely only have half dozen wins or less.

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You have given me a smile.

Umm we have seven.

[jnrmac 20,205]

On 7/23/2016 at 8:50 PM, dee-tox said:

Comprehension is obviously not a strong point of yours Ricky P. Vince's discipline has been horrendous all year. The reports, the stupid free kicks, the lack of leadership etc. No-one is saying he has been bad for the club. But as one the most experienced players he has to lead the way.

I don't mind it. He is trying to push things. We need to push things. He is trying to lead and take the game on. He has plenty of licence as far as I am concerned. And even if he makes a few mistakes I love his passion and aggression. The positives far outweight the negatives.

I wish more would play with his passion.

[Chris 2,892]

It seems to me that Bernie and Jones have decided they need to be tougher to lead the team. I noticed it with Jones last year and this year where he gets in peoples faces more and holds people down after tackles. Bernie has been doing it all this year. He constantly pins people down after tackles and gives them some lip. I don't mind it from time to time and when warranted, and actually think it is a good thing, but I have thought it has been a little over the top this year which can detract from its effectiveness. He has also given away a few silly 50's at really bad times and needs to know when to reign it in.

[Biffen 12,947]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

No one is having a go at his effort, just his leadership.

 

He is actually the guy that directs the players during most stoppages. Listening to him " wired up" during a game I thought he did it well and without too much ego.

Being the most experienced and arguably the best player on the team , I would have to say he is a leader.

Your arguement might stem from him getting pantsed at a pool game after a cricket final in Adelaide .

i judge him only on what he has done hear which is lead by word and deed in every possible way.

Even Hodge gives away the odd 50 for stupid acts of aggression but He kind of makes up for it with the odd Norm Smith and premiership medal here and there.

[old dee 23,916]

56 minutes ago, Biffen said:

He is actually the guy that directs the players during most stoppages. Listening to him " wired up" during a game I thought he did it well and without too much ego.

Being the most experienced and arguably the best player on the team , I would have to say he is a leader.

Your arguement might stem from him getting pantsed at a pool game after a cricket final in Adelaide .

i judge him only on what he has done hear which is lead by word and deed in every possible way.

Even Hodge gives away the odd 50 for stupid acts of aggression but He kind of makes up for it with the odd Norm Smith and premiership medal here and there.

Lovely line there Biff

[stuie 7,374]

58 minutes ago, Biffen said:

He is actually the guy that directs the players during most stoppages. Listening to him " wired up" during a game I thought he did it well and without too much ego.

Being the most experienced and arguably the best player on the team , I would have to say he is a leader.

Your arguement might stem from him getting pantsed at a pool game after a cricket final in Adelaide .

i judge him only on what he has done hear which is lead by word and deed in every possible way.

Even Hodge gives away the odd 50 for stupid acts of aggression but He kind of makes up for it with the odd Norm Smith and premiership medal here and there.

Giving away crucial 50s, missing crucial goals and running into the man on the mark at yet another crucial point are not signs of a leader.

Go back to your bananas and sexist joke thread now, people are talking footy here.

(Maybe take a dictionary with you)

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Lovely line there Biff

How many Norm Smiths and Premierships has Bernie delivered us with his leadership?

 

[old dee 23,916]

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

How many Norm Smiths and Premierships has Bernie delivered us with his leadership?

 

I would think that is a little hard when you play for a team that wins seven games a year stuie.

[mrtwister 652]

On 23 July 2016 at 7:35 PM, dee-tox said:

No Biff. Don't care about the slipping over. I care about the five stupid free kicks, the seven clangers, the bad options, the faux tough guy act, etc

You do realise that 5 of those clangers are the free kicks he gave away? Bit unfair to count the same stats twice.

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

I would think that is a little hard when you play for a team that wins seven games a year stuie.

Right, so is it a fair comparison then?

 

[old dee 23,916]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Right, so is it a fair comparison then?

 

I did not take it as a comparison just an aside that I thought was quite humorous

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

I did not take it as a comparison just an aside that I thought was quite humorous

Well we probably would have won the game if he had either finished that goal, not given away the 50 or been tackled by the man on the mark when we were about to enter our 50.

That's not leadership.

 

Edited July 25, 2016 by stuie

[Biffen 12,947]

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

Well we probably would have won the game if he had either finished that goal, not given away the 50 or been tackled by the man on the mark when we were about to enter our 50.

That's not leadership.

 

Leaders come out of their shell,take the game on and try to create something.

He does this every week and rarely makes clangers.

He IS one of our leaders ,even if it doesn't sit well with your superficial knowledge of football.

I think when Dawes fluffed his easy shot on goal and missed the lot we saw what a leader isn't.

Now I'm going to plant my head under a tram track, then I will come back and "talk footy"on your level.

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

Leaders come out of their shell,take the game on and try to create something.

He does this every week and rarely makes clangers.

He IS one of our leaders ,even if it doesn't sit well with your superficial knowledge of football.

I think when Dawes fluffed his easy shot on goal and missed the lot we saw what a leader isn't.

Now I'm going to plant my head under a tram track, then I will come back and "talk footy"on your level.

Dawes isn't in the leadership group.

"Superficial knowledge" hey... Ironic.