If the tigers go the rebuild mode and look to ship out older players would we have any interest in Deledio? Would grimes and our 2nd round pick ~27 get him across?

17 hours ago, Beats said:

If the tigers go the rebuild mode and look to ship out older players would we have any interest in Deledio? Would grimes and our 2nd round pick ~27 get him across?

The tigers have like 5 good players, they won't trade one of them.

17 hours ago, Beats said:

If the tigers go the rebuild mode and look to ship out older players would we have any interest in Deledio? Would grimes and our 2nd round pick ~27 get him across?

Not even close.

In: Prestia, Hurley, Hibberd, Hoskin-Elliot 

Out: Viv Michie. 

 

seems like all parties would be pretty happy.

 

 

hoskin-elliot moves like morton: thin as a rake, quickish, can't tackle, unreliable kick, no second efforts, and an awkward size between being key position and flanker.

 

do not want.

Edited July 15, 20169 yr by DemonAndrew

1 hour ago, DemonAndrew said:

hoskin-elliot moves like morton: thin as a rake, quickish, can't tackle, unreliable kick, no second efforts, and an awkward size between being key position and flanker.

 

do not want.

Don't know how much you've watched of Hoskin-Elliot but he's already a better player than Morton. Would take him in a heartbeat. Xfactor and offers something we don't have. Small player that is a good overhead mark like a Jamie Elliot or Fasolo. 

2 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

hoskin-elliot moves like morton: thin as a rake, quickish, can't tackle, unreliable kick, no second efforts, and an awkward size between being key position and flanker.

 

do not want.

Been saying this a while. Big bust. Injuries or not, he doesn't possess anything to be a good, consistent footballer.

5 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

Don't know how much you've watched of Hoskin-Elliot but he's already a better player than Morton. Would take him in a heartbeat. Xfactor and offers something we don't have. Small player that is a good overhead mark like a Jamie Elliot or Fasolo. 

There must be two Hoskin -Elliot's running around then.

Edited July 15, 20169 yr by Return to Glory

My reasonably reasonable list for the offseason would be:

Hibberd - HB (Trade for 2nd round pick)
Hoskin-Elliot - Outside mid, Tomlinson - FB (Trade for 2nd round pick received from Sydney in exchange for Garland and 3rd round pick)
Prestia - Mid (Trade for ANB and next year's first round pick)

 

14 minutes ago, stuie said:

My reasonably reasonable list for the offseason would be:

Hibberd - HB (Trade for 2nd round pick)
Hoskin-Elliot - Outside mid, Tomlinson - FB (Trade for 2nd round pick received from Sydney in exchange for Garland and 3rd round pick)
Prestia - Mid (Trade for ANB and next year's first round pick)

 

A KP forward for a full back?

Mate, we need a genuine gorilla who knows how to play the position. Not a makeshift one. We have hundreds of them.

If the Doggies and Freo can find two genuine full-backs from the [censored] VFL who are now best 22 in their side, surely we can do better than Tomlinson.

Mackenzie, Brown, Hurley. There will be others. Tomlinson isn't one.

Edited July 19, 20169 yr by stevethemanjordan

7 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

An KP forward for a full back?

Mate, we need a genuine gorilla who knows how to play the position. Not a makeshift one. We have hundreds of them.

If the Doggies and Freo can find two genuine full-backs from the [censored] VFL who are now best 22 in their side, surely we can do better than Tomlinson.

Mackenzie, Brown, Hurley. There will be others. Tomlinson isn't one.

I'm not saying he's the best around, just trying to think of plausible scenarios. We have a great trading relationship with GWS and I could just see Tomlinson being a "Roos type" pickup. He's a big unit, I could see him being our gorilla backman.

Tomlinson has played as a swingman and has played a fair bit of NEAFL as a FB.

 

Edited July 19, 20169 yr by stuie

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

A KP forward for a full back?

Mate, we need a genuine gorilla who knows how to play the position. Not a makeshift one. We have hundreds of them.

If the Doggies and Freo can find two genuine full-backs from the [censored] VFL who are now best 22 in their side, surely we can do better than Tomlinson.

Mackenzie, Brown, Hurley. There will be others. Tomlinson isn't one.

I'd go Mackenzie personally, but he is 28, so Brown is probably the cheaper option in that age bracket. That said, Mackenzie isn't getting a look in at the moment.

2 hours ago, stuie said:

I'm not saying he's the best around, just trying to think of plausible scenarios. We have a great trading relationship with GWS and I could just see Tomlinson being a "Roos type" pickup. He's a big unit, I could see him being our gorilla backman.

Tomlinson has played as a swingman and has played a fair bit of NEAFL as a FB.

 

Tomlinson is a wingman not a swingman 'stuie'...he can't hold down a key position and doesn't influence a game enough to play midfield at AFL level.

Roos wasn't interested last trade period and he's done nothing to make him anymore interested this year.

He's off to Carlton...

Players who can kick a quick 40 metre Bullet Pass

Remember those...?

17 minutes ago, rjay said:

Tomlinson is a wingman not a swingman 'stuie'...he can't hold down a key position and doesn't influence a game enough to play midfield at AFL level.

Roos wasn't interested last trade period and he's done nothing to make him anymore interested this year.

He's off to Carlton...

Fair enough, as I said just thinking of things that are a chance to happen rather than some posters who seem to think we're going to get Hurley, Prestia, O'Meara, Dangerfield, Lockett, Archer and McLeod....

Tomlinson is a big unit. He's 193cm. Just my opinion that I think he could be a solid gorilla backman, which is one of our needs.

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Players who can kick a quick 40 metre Bullet Pass

Remember those...?

Petracca will be one of the best ever at that once he develops.

But yeah, we need some more of them.

16 minutes ago, stuie said:

Petracca will be one of the best ever at that once he develops.

But yeah, we need some more of them.

Not enough kicking practise at training anymore. 

Too much Sports Science. 

Need to balance it out i believe

Was talking to somebody within the club who suggested that our gps data suggests we are a seriously slow side compared to others, lacking in players with REAL speed.

Perhaps we might surprise a few and go for some quick midfielders?

2 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Was talking to somebody within the club who suggested that our gps data suggests we are a seriously slow side compared to others, lacking in players with REAL speed.

Perhaps we might surprise a few and go for some quick midfielders?

God help us if we go down the route of drafting or trading for athletes. I wonder if the players use a gps on the ground when setting up their defensive zone. Or maybe it should have been used to locate the St. Kilda forwards.

The Hawthorn and Geelong dynasties have not been noted for REAL speed. Football nous and kicking skill goes a long way.

46 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Was talking to somebody within the club who suggested that our gps data suggests we are a seriously slow side compared to others, lacking in players with REAL speed.

Perhaps we might surprise a few and go for some quick midfielders?

 

35 minutes ago, mo64 said:

God help us if we go down the route of drafting or trading for athletes. I wonder if the players use a gps on the ground when setting up their defensive zone. Or maybe it should have been used to locate the St. Kilda forwards.

The Hawthorn and Geelong dynasties have not been noted for REAL speed. Football nous and kicking skill goes a long way.

Hehehe, definitely agree with your kicking skill comment! Would love to see us learn to kick to somebody wearing the same colours as us!

Do we really want Hibberd?:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/dyson-heppell-posts-picture-on-instagram-of-jobe-watson-and-other-banned-essendon-players-in-croatia/news-story/0e230a761ce620bf37a890a32b7e2444

Dont seem to be preparing themselves for a great year of footy next year!

59 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Was talking to somebody within the club who suggested that our gps data suggests we are a seriously slow side compared to others, lacking in players with REAL speed.

Perhaps we might surprise a few and go for some quick midfielders?

I think most here could have told you that without GPS data. 

1 minute ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I think most here could have told you that without GPS data. 

Probably not really the main point of my comment, more that people have been talking about defensive players but perhaps the club will surprise us and pick up a mid. But thanks for the super witty reply anyway ?

naismith is a name that is being thrown around a lot. if we are to get him, i wonder what his cost would be. i have no idea why he'd come to us as opposed to a team that needs a starting ruckman - he doesn't strike me massively as someone who can also play forward. big blokes get so overrated...and then you hope they turn into zac smith, but at least he had runs on the board as an afl-level player.

 

hibberd - 2016 second round pick

2016 second round pick from adelaide - anb

prestia - 2017 first round and 2016 second round pick from anb trade

naismith - 2017 second / third round pick

 

possible best squad of 25?

B: Neville Jetta - Tom McDonald - Sam Frost
HB: Michael Hibberd - Oscar McDonald - Jake Melksham
C: Bernie Vince - Nathan Jones - Dion Prestia
HF: Christian Petracca - Jack Watts - Dean Kent
F: Ben Kennedy - Jesse Hogan - Jeff Garlett
Foll: Max Gawn - Dom Tyson - Jack Viney
I/C: Christian Salem - Angus Brayshaw - Clayton Oliver - Jayden Hunt
Emerg: Aaron vandenBerg - James Harmes - Sam Naismith

 

meanwhile, strong talk that tom mitchell to hawks is going to be the news of the trade period...serious offer thrown his way

10 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

naismith is a name that is being thrown around a lot. if we are to get him, i wonder what his cost would be. i have no idea why he'd come to us as opposed to a team that needs a starting ruckman - he doesn't strike me massively as someone who can also play forward. big blokes get so overrated...and then you hope they turn into zac smith, but at least he had runs on the board as an afl-level player.

 

hibberd - 2016 second round pick

2016 second round pick from adelaide - anb

prestia - 2017 first round and 2016 second round pick from anb trade

naismith - 2017 second / third round pick

 

possible best squad of 25?

B: Neville Jetta - Tom McDonald - Sam Frost
HB: Michael Hibberd - Oscar McDonald - Jake Melksham
C: Bernie Vince - Nathan Jones - Dion Prestia
HF: Christian Petracca - Jack Watts - Dean Kent
F: Ben Kennedy - Jesse Hogan - Jeff Garlett
Foll: Max Gawn - Dom Tyson - Jack Viney
I/C: Christian Salem - Angus Brayshaw - Clayton Oliver - Jayden Hunt
Emerg: Aaron vandenBerg - James Harmes - Sam Naismith

 

meanwhile, strong talk that tom mitchell to hawks is going to be the news of the trade period...serious offer thrown his way

My understanding if we trade future first rounder we aren't allowed to trade any more future picks from that draft. 

I like the look of  that team though. I would think Stretch and one of Hulett and Weid would be in there for kennedy and another not sure who. I know people don't like it but Jetta will be in trouble if they keep playing Salem down back (and he stays fit).