21 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Like Goldstein you mean and Jacobs, you will find most top ruckmen want to ruck most of the game with a max of 5 or 10 minute breather in total

 

All they have to do is compete, there are not many teams at the moment who have the luxury of two top ruckmen, and I mean top, most have one and a serviceable back up

King 1 is still developing, King 2 will be rebuilt, Spencer, if Gawn goes down, hopefully not, will at least compete, that is all you can ask

Sometimes I reckon you think the AFL is like unders' footy and it's weird.

These blokes get paid for their ability. 

It's more than evident that our Ruck stocks are extremely weak and that we can do a lot better than what we currently have in regards to upgraded talent. 

Your view of what is required to win a Grand Final within an elite competition is borderline crazy.

List changes will continue. Spencer is another whose place on the list is not in jeopardy only because we have nobody else at the present time. But I'm sure that'll be addressed in the not too distant future. 

You said the same shite when McKenzie, Bail, Nicholson etc were running around in our best 22 and judging by what you continue to say, you'd still have them on the list because 'they compete'.

Edited May 5, 20169 yr by stevethemanjordan

Good OP though.

Mine are as follows:

1 : A more settled back-line. Clearly we're shuffling cards which is not ideal during the H&A season. I doubt any of the coaches thought Garland would be dropped two games into the season nor would they think this zone-defence would cause as many issues as it has. Not only that, it's an area in which our worst runners are almost all situated. Jetta, Dunn, Salem, Garland and Wagner. They all need to be a helluva lot fitter. Especially those who play HB. We are low on quality KP backmen and we have a host of players vying for a HB position. Clearly it's the most unsettled area of the ground. I still think we need one experienced HB flanker who can kick really well and is a really hard runner. And we need Hurley. I want him.

2: Outside run in through the middle of the ground. Look at any top side and they have really hard line breaking outside players who we just don't have. Very one-dimensional midfield in terms of pace which is why it's no surprise the same names slice us to pieces when we come up against them. Steven, Harvey, Christensen, Kelly, Scully, Hill etc etc.

3: Ruck backup/Forward Ruckman. Clearly if Gawn goes down, we are in big trouble. 

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Like Goldstein you mean and Jacobs, you will find most top ruckmen want to ruck most of the game with a max of 5 or 10 minute breather in total

 

Tremendous ruckmen who have great support in Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins.  We've got Pedo up against them, it's not good enough.  A tight game game can swing in that 5 to 10 minute period - think Preliminary Final.

ANB, Trengove and Vince can all play back. I think ANB can be effective back or forward, but I was impressed with his SANFL highlights down back. He might be slow - but he makes the right plays. ANB has a sharp brain, and that is what we need down back - someone who can delegate. We don't have a general down back. Salem isn't the answer, he is a player with a lot of potential (and I think a future inside mid), but he isn't a intuitive player, he is an instinctual player IMO - a ball chaser, tackler, best left to his own devices. ANB will be better down back. He should be first point of call, looking to get the ball in the hands of Trengove, Vince, Watts, Jetta, or Salem. When I think of ANB, I think Shane Briggs from the WB. He is underrated, and sets up a lot of their play (at least he did until last week).

Agree with the OP about Oliver, he is something else. His inside work is comparable to a Josh Kennedy - who I rate as the best inside worker in the league (just down on form a little atm). I think Oliver has more upside, is more explosive, and potentially more dominant.

 

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Tremendous ruckmen who have great support in Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins.  We've got Pedo up against them, it's not good enough.  A tight game game can swing in that 5 to 10 minute period - think Preliminary Final.

My point Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins may spend 10 minutes max, Roos obviously thinks Pedo is good enough coz he keeps picking him, Pedo provides a contest in the ruck, that's all you want from a backup

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Sometimes I reckon you think the AFL is like unders' footy and it's weird.

These blokes get paid for their ability. 

It's more than evident that our Ruck stocks are extremely weak and that we can do a lot better than what we currently have in regards to upgraded talent. 

Your view of what is required to win a Grand Final within an elite competition is borderline crazy.

List changes will continue. Spencer is another whose place on the list is not in jeopardy only because we have nobody else at the present time. But I'm sure that'll be addressed in the not too distant future. 

You said the same shite when McKenzie, Bail, Nicholson etc were running around in our best 22 and judging by what you continue to say, you'd still have them on the list because 'they compete'.

In your opinion, I don't share that opinion,, the Footy Dept will decide if we are in a weak position regarding the rucks, what we think on there, doesn't mean squat, I fully expected McKenzie and Bail to be delisted at years end, but when they were picked they gave it their best, you support the team at the time, that is what a supporter does, only difference between me and some other supporters, I don't feel the need to denigrate players or coaches or whingeing about anything and everything all the time

A little example for you, I was invited to be part of a Focus Group looking at something for the Club, first question was about Melbourne supporters, I said they were the biggest whingers I had ever come across, of course I got howled down by some, for the next hour the howlers did nothing but whinge and complain and offer nothing constructive....bit like Demonland

Edited May 5, 20169 yr by Satyriconhome

46 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

My point Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins may spend 10 minutes max, Roos obviously thinks Pedo is good enough coz he keeps picking him, Pedo provides a contest in the ruck, that's all you want from a backup

I don't think it's because he thinks he's good enough it's just he's the best option we have. The cupboard is bare at the moment....

Lack of quality players and experience.

5 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

My point Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins may spend 10 minutes max, Roos obviously thinks Pedo is good enough coz he keeps picking him, Pedo provides a contest in the ruck, that's all you want from a backup

Are you serious? Wow. The name of this thread is "Areas of weakness". As rjay says, the cupboard is bare.

Edited May 5, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

16 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

My point Ben Brown and Josh Jenkins may spend 10 minutes max, Roos obviously thinks Pedo is good enough coz he keeps picking him, Pedo provides a contest in the ruck, that's all you want from a backup

Totally flawed logic.  By your reasoning every player playing a role must be "good enough", therefore if we don't have anyone "good enough" we'll run out with 21.  Roos picks Pedo because he's the best option he has, or perhaps the least worst.   Ro Bail played a lot of footy under Roos too because he was the best option for the role at the time.  It's not a slight on Pedo or Ro who give their all, they are just not flag material in those roles, i.e. not "good enough".

We lack a second big key defender, we have Frost who could fill the role but he's currently competing with the likes of Kent, Kennedy, JKH and Garlett for a forward pocket position.

16 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

In your opinion, I don't share that opinion,, the Footy Dept will decide if we are in a weak position regarding the rucks, what we think on there, doesn't mean squat, I fully expected McKenzie and Bail to be delisted at years end, but when they were picked they gave it their best, you support the team at the time, that is what a supporter does, only difference between me and some other supporters, I don't feel the need to denigrate players or coaches or whingeing about anything and everything all the time

A little example for you, I was invited to be part of a Focus Group looking at something for the Club, first question was about Melbourne supporters, I said they were the biggest whingers I had ever come across, of course I got howled down by some, for the next hour the howlers did nothing but whinge and complain and offer nothing constructive....bit like Demonland

You are the biggest whinger in here

every post you leave sideswipes at least one person. 

Total hypercrite...

18 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Totally flawed logic.  By your reasoning every player playing a role must be "good enough", therefore if we don't have anyone "good enough" we'll run out with 21.  Roos picks Pedo because he's the best option he has, or perhaps the least worst.   Ro Bail played a lot of footy under Roos too because he was the best option for the role at the time.  It's not a slight on Pedo or Ro who give their all, they are just not flag material in those roles, i.e. not "good enough".

THIS ^^^^

In a nutshell we are a 2nd Back, a 2nd Fwd and about 2-3  mids short of a highly competitive team.  Some we already possibly have on our list  but arent developed yet. Others will be hunted down at seasons end ( well ...hunted now...got  late ..lol ) 

30 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

THIS ^^^^

In a nutshell we are a 2nd Back, a 2nd Fwd and about 2-3  mids short of a highly competitive team.  Some we already possibly have on our list  but arent developed yet. Others will be hunted down at seasons end ( well ...hunted now...got  late ..lol ) 

BB we also need one or two superstars hopefully they are amongst our developing crew of youngsters

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You are the biggest whinger in here

every post you leave sideswipes at least one person. 

Total hypercrite...

I don't sideswipe, I offer an opinion, ever noticed the rubbish I receive, again you have added nothing to the topic   it's hypocrite by the way, have a look who liked yr post   the always right

 

8 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Totally flawed logic.  By your reasoning every player playing a role must be "good enough", therefore if we don't have anyone "good enough" we'll run out with 21.  Roos picks Pedo because he's the best option he has, or perhaps the least worst.   Ro Bail played a lot of footy under Roos too because he was the best option for the role at the time.  It's not a slight on Pedo or Ro who give their all, they are just not flag material in those roles, i.e. not "good enough".

Why is Pedo the least worst   I would put him on par with Ceglar for the role he plays

What we think doesn't matter, the Footy Dept sorts it out      I already have an inkling of who will be delisted at the end of the yeat   whether the FD agrees who knows

Every player who runs out to play an AFL game must be a good player because they have got past the couldabeens and got on a list

Every year Demonland goes through this  we have turned over list on a massive scale for the last couple of years let's give it this year to see if changes have worked

 

Edited May 6, 20169 yr by Satyriconhome

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

I don't sideswipe, I offer an opinion, ever noticed the rubbish I receive, again you have added nothing to the topic   it's hypocrite by the way, have a look who liked yr post   the always right

 

Why is Pedo the least worst   I would put him on par with Ceglar for the role he plays

What we think doesn't matter, the Footy Dept sorts it out      I already have an inkling of who will be delisted at the end of the yeat   whether the FD agrees who knows

Every player who runs out to play an AFL game must be a good player because they have got past the couldabeens and got on s list

Every year Demonland goes through this  we have turned over list on a massive scale for the last couple of years let's give it this year to see if changes have worked

 

You side swipe Satyr all the time

Don't be all strawberries and cream. Soon as anyone disagrees with your observation you get stuck right in. 

Just because you apologize to the mods while doing it makes no difference. 

Wasn't Pedo terrible against the Gold Coast, don't know how he sleeps at night knowing he is an area of weakness

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Wasn't Pedo terrible against the Gold Coast, don't know how he sleeps at night knowing he is an area of weakness

Is that a side swipe? Perhaps it's an addiction.

Edited May 7, 20169 yr by Return to Glory

On 04/05/2016 at 10:04 PM, rpfc said:

We need skill out of the backline.

We need skill on the outside of contests.

We need a decent second ruck who is predominantly our 2nd tall forward.

agree with that

also....need more height/big/kp players.......may get from existing youngsters but takes time.... inject an experienced kpp (or 2)

2 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Is that a side swipe? Perhaps it's an addiction.

No it was a slight bit of sarcasm, love when a player gets written off, as I wrote, he is playing his role, whether he keeps that role is up to the Footy Dept.

I still think we look very vulnerable against huge forwards. If that big galoot had been able to kick straight (whoever he was) we would have been in trouble and Lynch caused trouble also.

One weakness I've noticed this year since the NAB games is the opposition's ability to come out of their backline going wide around the wing then penetrate into their forward line without any resistance from Melbourne.Some examples of this would be the first half of yesterday,both times we played the Saints and the GWS game.

Edited May 7, 20169 yr by Emerald