1 hour ago, stuie said:

Again, we played 10 kids with less than 50 games experience, and SO DID THEY. Bringing up "maturity" is a cop out.

 

I think it depends on how the game was won and lost. We were smashed in the guts by bigger bodies. The big strength of the Saints in their current squad under their current coach. We're building towards that crunching side, but it's still only really Jones and Viney doing it. With a bit of Vince thrown in occasionally (Also Oliver when he's selected). As far as I'm concerned they're our only reliables. There's good players, but they're still to come... In 50 games, Trengove, the aforementioned Oliver, track, ANB etc etc... If they're in there and spelling Viney we don't lose a handle on the ball and it doesn't get out the back with membrey (who?) kicking 5. This, IMO, is where we lose out... the midfield. They have maturity there. Their youth is located elsewhere on the squad. Deep forward with guys like Bruce and Billings. What I think is inaccurate... or perhaps statistics telling a false story... is how the ages match up in the area the match was won. There's no way their talls are better than ours going forward. None. Hogan, Watts, Gawn, Pedo (liked some of his game)... They have old stalwarts in Fisher and Dempster, and a talented kid in Bruce. I think if we have 50 more games into these young MIDFIELDERS then the whole thing swings back the other direction. We open up a 20-30 point lead on them and they have to take those quicks they sent over the back into defense, and we start playing the game on our terms.... ie.... Hogan kicks 14. lol

I think probably the real pain we're going to have to endure is seeing a lack of pace and sometimes a lack of skill in our 22. That's also where we might become frustrated. In the future that is.

1 hour ago, stuie said:

Again, we played 10 kids with less than 50 games experience, and SO DID THEY. Bringing up "maturity" is a cop out.

 

I think it depends on how the game was won and lost. We were smashed in the guts by bigger bodies. The big strength of the Saints in their current squad under their current coach. We're building towards that crunching side, but it's still only really Jones and Viney doing it. With a bit of Vince thrown in occasionally (Also Oliver when he's selected). As far as I'm concerned they're our only reliables. There's good players, but they're still to come... In 50 games, Trengove, the aforementioned Oliver, track, ANB etc etc... If they're in there and spelling Viney we don't lose a handle on the ball and it doesn't get out the back with membrey (who?) kicking 5. This, IMO, is where we lose out... the midfield. They have maturity there. Their youth is located elsewhere on the squad. Deep forward with guys like Bruce and Billings. What I think is inaccurate... or perhaps statistics telling a false story... is how the ages match up in the area the match was won. There's no way their talls are better than ours going forward. None. Hogan, Watts, Gawn, Pedo (liked some of his game)... They have old stalwarts in Fisher and Dempster, and a talented kid in Bruce. I think if we have 50 more games into these young MIDFIELDERS then the whole thing swings back the other direction. We open up a 20-30 point lead on them and they have to take those quicks they sent over the back into defense, and we start playing the game on our terms.... ie.... Hogan kicks 14. lol

I think probably the real pain we're going to have to endure is seeing a lack of pace and sometimes a lack of skill in our 22. That's also where we might become frustrated. In the future that is.

13 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

I think it depends on how the game was won and lost. We were smashed in the guts by bigger bodies. The big strength of the Saints in their current squad under their current coach. We're building towards that crunching side, but it's still only really Jones and Viney doing it. With a bit of Vince thrown in occasionally (Also Oliver when he's selected). As far as I'm concerned they're our only reliables. There's good players, but they're still to come... In 50 games, Trengove, the aforementioned Oliver, track, ANB etc etc... If they're in there and spelling Viney we don't lose a handle on the ball and it doesn't get out the back with membrey (who?) kicking 5. This, IMO, is where we lose out... the midfield. They have maturity there. Their youth is located elsewhere on the squad. Deep forward with guys like Bruce and Billings. What I think is inaccurate... or perhaps statistics telling a false story... is how the ages match up in the area the match was won. There's no way their talls are better than ours going forward. None. Hogan, Watts, Gawn, Pedo (liked some of his game)... They have old stalwarts in Fisher and Dempster, and a talented kid in Bruce. I think if we have 50 more games into these young MIDFIELDERS then the whole thing swings back the other direction. We open up a 20-30 point lead on them and they have to take those quicks they sent over the back into defense, and we start playing the game on our terms.... ie.... Hogan kicks 14. lol

I think probably the real pain we're going to have to endure is seeing a lack of pace and sometimes a lack of skill in our 22. That's also where we might become frustrated. In the future that is.

I very much agree with your last line, but I don't agree at all that they're a better team in the guts.

We average more clearances, contested possessions, hitouts and inside 50s than them, and I'd rate our middle 6 as superior to theirs without a second thought. They showed us up on the weekend with their speed and run, which is evidenced by them being far superior to us in marks, uncontested possessions, tackles and rebound 50s this year.

They absolutely smashed us in marks, tackles and uncontested possessions on Saturday, smashed us. Those things indicate run.

Now, as for talking about the talls, I notice you left out on name in particular for St Kilda who probably tips the balance in their favour at this stage.

 

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by stuie

Roo or Hickey?

Cant believe people are still tearing their hair out over the weekends game.

We are on the right path.  We will win one of the Hawthorn games this season.  Just watch,

1 minute ago, stuie said:

We average more clearances, contested possessions, hitouts and inside 50s than them, and I'd rate our middle 6 as superior to theirs without a second thought. They showed us up on the weekend with their speed and run, which is evidenced by them being far superior to us in marks, uncontested possessions, tackles and rebound 50s.

 

And how long have we been averaging that for? Six games now? We're still a work in progress. The Viney/Oliver situation... really an amazing one. But jeez, one of them has played only a few games, and the other is still 21. Those two have been our prime movers in the guts! With Jones doing as he always does. I really think this midfield will have the same or similar names in it and be pretty amazing in 3 years time. Whereas St Kildas.... they're getting great production week in week out from Montagna, Steven, Armitage. But they're ayt their ceiling now. That's cause for optimism. This last weekend.... will happen less and less. 

11 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

And how long have we been averaging that for? Six games now? We're still a work in progress. The Viney/Oliver situation... really an amazing one. But jeez, one of them has played only a few games, and the other is still 21. Those two have been our prime movers in the guts! With Jones doing as he always does. I really think this midfield will have the same or similar names in it and be pretty amazing in 3 years time. Whereas St Kildas.... they're getting great production week in week out from Montagna, Steven, Armitage. But they're ayt their ceiling now. That's cause for optimism. This last weekend.... will happen less and less. 

Yeah I agree for the most part, I'm not panicking at all over that game, disappointed by the lack of effort and frustrated by the coaching but the overall direction is right so it's just one of those bumps along the way.

Still disagree about the midfields though....

 

Just now, stuie said:

Still disagree about the midfields though....

 

Yup. lol

I've had Steven in ultimate for this year, so I'm very fond.

19 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Cant believe people are still tearing their hair out over the weekends game.

We are on the right path.  We will win one of the Hawthorn games this season.  Just watch,

Who is? A bunch of us are still talking about it sure, but we're talking about factors in the loss and what can happen moving forward, not pulling our hair out.

 

Start the round 7 match preview thread, already!

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

You've only just realised that Nash, I don't say they suck, I say there is small vocal majority on here who bombard each thread with their pessimism and negativity after a loss and tend to deride anybody who does not share theit rather shallow view of everything. I get rather bored with it, I skim past most of their posts, but unfortunately occasionally the Liverpudlian in me comes to the fore and I find the temptation to bait them to hard to resist, some don't even attend the games live and you will find them parroting the latest theory espoused by one of the so called media experts    my attitude I go along hoping the team will put in a competitive effort each week, if it doesn't it will lose      my take on the weekend just gone we still can't maintain the rage over an extended period of time       watch the media this week if St Kilda, who are in a similar stage of development to us come out and get belted because of the same reason 

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Lol. A small vocal majority? Well, what is it? A small number of us or is it a majority? And the above post is drowning in irony. 

People vent. That's footy. Most on Demonland are capable of seeing the grey, rather than only the black and white. Unfortunately though, Saty, you're not one of them. You're stridently pro-Melbourne everything, to the point that no one within/attached to the club can be questioned, and this view is one I would equally describe as 'shallow'.

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

11 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Lol. A small vocal majority? Well, what is it? A small number of us or is it a majority? And the above post is drowning in irony. 

People vent. That's footy. Most on Demonland are capable of seeing the grey, rather than only the black and white. Unfortunately though, Saty, you're not one of them. You're stridently pro-Melbourne everything, to the point that no one can be questioned and it's a view I would equally describe as 'shallow'.

I support my team if that is what you mean by stridently pro Melbourne   disappointed as the next man by the performance on Saturday, but don't feel the need to fill every thread and topic post game with doom and gloom

I also, if I feel the need arises, express my disappointment to the club and players directly, not hide behind a keyboard taking potshots, also one of the few on here who doesn't  baulk at being identified publicly

You are obviously another poster who doesn't understand I will deliberately bait some of the posters on here because a. they deserve it and b. I find it entertaining now and again

 

Forgot the small vocal majority was a play on words    I will try not to br too cerebral in the future

 

 

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Satyriconhome

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

You are obviously another poster who doesn't understand I will deliberately bait some of the posters on here because a. they deserve it and b. I find it entertaining now and again

So basically you're a troll?

 

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I support my team if that is what you mean by stridently pro Melbourne   disappointed as the next man by the performance on Saturday, but don't feel the need to fill every thread and topic post game with doom and gloom

I also, if I feel the need arises, express my disappointment to the club and players directly, not hide behind a keyboard taking potshots, also one of the few on here who doesn't  baulk at being identified publicly

You are obviously another poster who doesn't understand I will deliberately bait some of the posters on here because a. they deserve it and b. I find it entertaining now and again

 

 

 

 

I go every week, mate. I go to all the Melbourne-based matches. I'm going to Sydney next month and I always go to Geelong. I don't like others mocking my football club, but there's a line where as a supporter you can demand more. My experience of your posts, either directed at me or others, is that any questioning of the club is an affront to you. Pointing out weaknesses and things we could improve on doesn't necessarily translate to doom and gloom.

As for expressing your disappointment to the club and players directly, that's why I go to the games. I let them know too. Over the fence. I also couldn't care if I was identified publicly, but you wear that pride with such disdain for others that it gets tiresome.

And I think you 'baiting' posters is you hiding behind your keyboard. It's either trolling or you don't understand there are shades of grey.

Edited May 4, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

Saty I take it you are ok with baiting that includes calling a female poster fat ("Are you one meter wide?"), lazy, disorganised and slow? The 'Get To Etihad' thread includes all of these gems.

Baiting = trolling.

2 hours ago, Chris said:

Didn't they get pumped by 12 goals on the weekend?

How many premierships have they won sinec 1964 ????

I'm actually really looking forward to this week and the next few games. We are actually a sneaky chance of being in the 8 in a few weeks!

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

How many premierships have they won sinec 1964 ????

Lots, that is orrelevant though as the argument I was replying to was that Hawthorn don't have off days. Clearly they do as do all teams, even when winning premierships. The big difference is how far from their bast their off days are.

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Saty I take it you are ok with baiting that includes calling a female poster fat ("Are you one meter wide?"), lazy, disorganised and slow? The 'Get To Etihad' thread includes all of these gems.

Baiting = trolling.

And he gets away with it because of his training reports, which for the most part are largely worthless.  The above, as you mentioned, just goes to show his true colors and his 'worth' to this forum as a whole.

I can recall in the musical South Pacific there was a beach party scene where there was a call for clam.

 

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Biffen

3 hours ago, AdamFarr said:

 

People vent. That's footy. 

 

The beauty of Demonland, and other fan forums is that its a place to let off steam after a disappointing loss.

Saty seems to not understand that., and I am not even sure why he visits here to be honest. Literally all his posts are just him whining about non footy related matters ie.  posters on this forum.

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

And he gets away with it because of his training reports, which for the most part are largely worthless.  The above, as you mentioned, just goes to show his true colors and his 'worth' to this forum as a whole.

I actually didn't say that if you bothered to tead what I posted, but you never do, keep having a personal go at me precious sadly you obviously need it in your life

 

46 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

 

The beauty of Demonland, and other fan forums is that its a place to let off steam after a disappointing loss.

Saty seems to not understand that., and I am not even sure why he visits here to be honest. Literally all his posts are just him whining about non footy related matters ie.  posters on this forum.

I come to post my opinions, like others but because I don't agree with some of the more vociferous I get denigrated, if you don't like what I post don't read I, unlike some, don't really care

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Satyriconhome

I for one liked reading your training posts Saty, especially the parts about Salem flexing his biceps for you.

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Ethan Tremblay

4 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Saty I take it you are ok with baiting that includes calling a female poster fat ("Are you one meter wide?"), lazy, disorganised and slow? The 'Get To Etihad' thread includes all of these gems.

Baiting = trolling.

I didn't  say any of fat lazy etc you are intetpreting it that way which is your issue, show me where I said it,  comment about being a metre wide was in reference to getting across the footbridge at Etihad  the poster in question made it sound like a Stygian adventure 

 

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Satyriconhome

12 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I actually didn't say that if you bothered to tead what I posted, but you never do, keep having a personal go at me precious sadly you obviously need it in your life

I come to post my opinions, like others but because I don't agree with some of the more vociferous I get denigrated, if you don't like what I post don't read I, unlike some, don't really care

Sorry mate but that's just plain bs. 

And the rest is filled with delicious irony.

Edited May 3, 20169 yr by Moonshadow