He may be right but Venom is a journalistic ambulance chaser. Neither original, nor insightful. Just obvious.

1 hour ago, Bossdog said:

What I don't get is that Geelong has a great win over the Hawks and get smashed by GWS.....a team we beat just one week before, a team that many think will be top 8.   So what does that say about Geelong?     Does it mean that they had a let down?     Does that mean they are no good?     Just 1 week later?

Ess had a big day, with the march to the G, all their past hero's present and hit the ground running.   We weren't.    We learn and get on with next week.

The papers will move on to this weeks losers and put the boot in to whoever does not play well.   

Geelong's won 3 flags in the last 9 years. They've got runs on the board. We do this every bloody year.

Essendon had a big day, this game meant something to them - always an excuse for the MFC, when will games start meaning something to us?

21 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Geelong's won 3 flags in the last 9 years. They've got runs on the board. We do this every bloody year.

Essendon had a big day, this game meant something to them - always an excuse for the MFC, when will games start meaning something to us?

I just used Geelong as an example.....They had a shock loss as well.......I wasn't going into the history books.....We are on the same wins as them and Hawthorn, Coll, Richmond, west coast, Adelaide etc etc.

This is the third week of a 22 game season we are higher than 7 other teams

Yes, last week was bad but my point is so were the games of other sides......There are another 9 games this weekend and the media are fired up for more witches to sacrifice.  

I was listening and agreed. We need to turn a corner. Turning a corner doesn't necessarily mean finals or being the best team in the comp. Our corner is simply playing consistently good football for more than one week. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when winning 2 in a row is a gauge of how much you have improved, but it is what it is.

We were awful on Saturday and well below best. Part of that goes on the leaders and those that were complacent, the other on the coaches for selecting underdone young blokes, or keeping underdone young blokes in the squad. I suspect a lighter training week went ahead this week.

Again, many are attacking Denham. Take him out of the equation. 

He wasn't the one who coughed up 4 points last Saturday with a dismal display. He wasn't the one who "gave up" when it got too hard or when the game was up for grabs.

Until this group of players and coaches know when to stand up when it gets tough, we'll remain insignificant. 

You reckon the AFL look to Melbourne first seventeenth to fill their Friday night fixtures? No. 

Denham is right

I agree we are well into the insignificant moniker . The only way we can stop this is by winning 5 or 6 Games on end! Oh Wait we cannot even win two on the trot not even against a rag tag team of top ups an blow ins!

3 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

He may be right but Venom is a journalistic ambulance chaser. Neither original, nor insightful. Just obvious.

Spot on about Denham RTG ( as you usually are about matters football). Unfortunately, however, the [censored] was correct about our performance against Essendon.

You know it may well  be the only game they'll win for the year and ... guess against who??

This will stick in my guts like 186.

7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Spot on about Denham RTG ( as you usually are about matters football). Unfortunately, however, the [censored] was correct about our performance against Essendon.

You know it may well  be the only game they'll win for the year and ... guess against who??

This will stick in my guts like 186.

Last week's game was strange for me BBO. Caught the train home and felt more flat than raging. Didn't do the normal stuff we all do; graffiti the train and smash the windows of cars in my street. Just went home, resigned.

Edited April 8, 20169 yr by Return to Glory

3 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Last week's game was strange for me BBO. Caught the train home and felt more flat than raging. Didn't do the normal stuff we all do; graffiti the train and smash the windows of cars in my street. Just went home, resigned.

It's sad and remarkable how disappointment can change the ingrained habits of a lifetime RTG.

4 hours ago, Bossdog said:

I just used Geelong as an example.....They had a shock loss as well.......I wasn't going into the history books.....We are on the same wins as them and Hawthorn, Coll, Richmond, west coast, Adelaide etc etc.

This is the third week of a 22 game season we are higher than 7 other teams

Yes, last week was bad but my point is so were the games of other sides......There are another 9 games this weekend and the media are fired up for more witches to sacrifice.  

Tell that to the thousands of supporters who now won't sign up as members because of that rubbish last week. Lost for another year and another step towards never coming back. Tell that to the kids embarrassed to support the Demons at school because of the [censored] they have to constantly defend/put up with.

I'm a rusted on tragic so the performance is irrelevant to whether I sign up again. But in the wider footy community and for those tossing up whether they would bother or starting to pay attention after we were seemingly on the right path that would just make them go pfft and turn away again.

You can't compare us to other clubs because our situation is nothing like any other club. We have baggage and history that we need to overcome both on and off field. Losing games like last week is another cut to the psyche of the club, on its own just a minor wound but a thousand will kill us.

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Geelong's won 3 flags in the last 9 years. They've got runs on the board. We do this every bloody year.

Essendon had a big day, this game meant something to them - always an excuse for the MFC, when will games start meaning something to us?

I just used Geelong as an example.....They had a shock loss as well.......I wasn't going into the history books.....We are on the same wins as them and Hawthorn, Coll, Richmond, west coast, Adelaide etc etc.

This is the third week of a 22 game season we are higher than 7 other teams

Yes, last week was bad but my point is so were the games of other sides......There are another 9 games this weekend and the media are fired up for more witches to sacrifice.  

33 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Tell that to the thousands of supporters who now won't sign up as members because of that rubbish last week. Lost for another year and another step towards never coming back. Tell that to the kids embarrassed to support the Demons at school because of the [censored] they have to constantly defend/put up with.

I'm a rusted on tragic so the performance is irrelevant to whether I sign up again. But in the wider footy community and for those tossing up whether they would bother or starting to pay attention after we were seemingly on the right path that would just make them go pfft and turn away again.

You can't compare us to other clubs because our situation is nothing like any other club. We have baggage and history that we need to overcome both on and off field. Losing games like last week is another cut to the psyche of the club, on its own just a minor wound but a thousand will kill us.

Thousands???    Really....because of one game?   How many signed on when we beat Geelong last year?? Maybe 50 ?

If you expected a consistent season from this side maybe you were wrong.   It is terribly disappointing I agree, but there is another 20 games to go 

 

38 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Tell that to the thousands of supporters who now won't sign up as members because of that rubbish last week. Lost for another year and another step towards never coming back. Tell that to the kids embarrassed to support the Demons at school because of the [censored] they have to constantly defend/put up with.

I'm a rusted on tragic so the performance is irrelevant to whether I sign up again. But in the wider footy community and for those tossing up whether they would bother or starting to pay attention after we were seemingly on the right path that would just make them go pfft and turn away again.

You can't compare us to other clubs because our situation is nothing like any other club. We have baggage and history that we need to overcome both on and off field. Losing games like last week is another cut to the psyche of the club, on its own just a minor wound but a thousand will kill us.

Most of our sponsorships expire this season as well Gonzo, continuing to be a laughing stock won't help in this department, Who wants to be associated with the perennial loser

5 hours ago, H_T said:

This description^ is exactly how I and many supporters felt at the G about the team and club. The erosion in confidence was significant; dare I say it damaging. One of a basket case. It could effectively undo some great work.

It has arguably cost the club $400K in membership drive according to some - and I'm inclined to agree. Not much can be done now, what's done is done.... Unless.....

They must bounce back and make a SIGNIFICANT statement this week in Hobart. Otherwise the blowtorch will be turned up fiercely on not only the players but the Goodwin-Roos handover if any pathetic displays continue. 

Starting like they did against the Bombers is a sure sign by many they are not playing for their coach. Or the coach is not doing his job. 

Last weekends result should not be a performance from a team coming off 7 wins in 2015 and an improved off season - a side on the up - particularly at Round Two.

Excuses of players feeling tired are false - a slap in the face to all in sundry - and will not be tolerated by the Board. Nor should they.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/04-16/demons-must-bounce-back-or-face-insignificance-denham#5wOPDx7uaWEFWPmt.97

 

May the the next 2-3 weeks be SIGNIFICANT performances and wins! Leaders need to recognise, stand up, deliver and collectively want to strive for the ultimate in football. It's not just about being competitive - it's about excelling in the competition.

I'd hope they wouldn't be tolerated by the Board, but who knows. I certainly wouldn't think they'd be tolerated by PJ. At least, that performance wouldn't have been tolerated twelve months ago. This Board may well have some tough decisions to make in the next 24 months.

 

Worse yet, tonight Bombers get their right whack, which we should have 

1 hour ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Most of our sponsorships expire this season as well Gonzo, continuing to be a laughing stock won't help in this department, Who wants to be associated with the perennial loser

Who also doesn't get prime time games and back cover of the papers

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

In order to gain the trust of the members/supporters, win back some of those lost lapsed members and rebuild any confidence in the club whatsoever they have to win the next 3-4 games or at the very least put in a good showing this week and then win the next 3 following that against Pies, Tigers, Saints. There's no reason we can't other than above the shoulders and in the coaches box.

Interesting post this, mate. Whilst I completely agree, to me it implies that the Essendon loss has to be the line in the sand moment and in retrospect would become almost 'the loss we had to have'. Of course, I don't believe this now as last weekend was in the top five most pitiful MFC performances (186, 148 and then that game), but I wouldn't have believed we'd win the first 5-6 games anyway, however if that loss causes something to stir in the bellies of these players and gets them on the right track, then fantastic.

But a part of me still wants blood for last week, no matter what we do for the rest of the season. This group hadn't even earned my trust fully and now they're coming from a long way back. The FD that I did trust has a lot of work to do to regain my trust. The selections, the comments by Misson saying Garlett would 'definitely' play etc. If we don't start to see improvement soon, PJ will need to make some big calls, just like in any other business.

Edited April 8, 20169 yr by AdamFarr
horrible grammar

1 hour ago, Bossdog said:

Thousands???    Really....because of one game?   How many signed on when we beat Geelong last year?? Maybe 50 ?

If you expected a consistent season from this side maybe you were wrong.   It is terribly disappointing I agree, but there is another 20 games to go 

 

Yes mate, thousands. The Geelong game is irrelevant in those conversation, that happened in June/July when no one buys memberships. This was round 2 when people are still tossing up whether to fork out or not. many many supporters would've read the preseason and post round 1 press with interest but a cynical eye. After last week they would've just thought "nothings changed" and gone back to indifference/apathy/waiting again til next year/maybe never.

Consistency is one thing last week had nothing to do with consistency when you're facing a clearly inferior opponent and let them dictate the game from bell to bell.

1 hour ago, Bossdog said:

Thousands???    Really....because of one game?   How many signed on when we beat Geelong last year?? Maybe 50 ?

If you expected a consistent season from this side maybe you were wrong.   It is terribly disappointing I agree, but there is another 20 games to go 

You can't seriously think that losing to an undermanned Essendon, the team that would be winless this season, won't impact negatively upon membership. I'd say it will have a disastrous effect. As I said shortly after the game, any slim chance we had of reaching 40,000 members went up in smoke last Saturday. It was demoralising. Essendon were our [censored] (minus 148  ). They were a club that couldn't even beat one of the worst teams we've ever fielded. Conversely, our team couldn't beat one of the weakest teams they've probably ever fielded. Hopeless.

I spent last week bemoaning those bandwagon supporters coming back, but a week later, I wouldn't begrudge any of them for staying home for the rest of the season. Frankly, our players and coaches don't deserve to have any of us attending.

Seeing Essendon predictably smashed tonight and Toumpas gathering 28 disposals has only drawn out and amplified the disgracefulness of last Saturday's performance. It'd be comical if I was a supporter of any other club.

Edited April 8, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

5 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Interesting post this, mate. Whilst I completely agree, to me it implies that the Essendon loss has to be the line in the sand moment and in retrospect would become almost 'the loss we had to have'. Of course, I don't believe this now as last weekend was in the top five most pitiful MFC performances (186, 148 and then that game), but I wouldn't have believed we'd win the first 5-6 games anyway, however if that loss causes something to stir in the bellies of these players and gets them on the right track, then fantastic.

But apart of me still wants blood for last week no matter what we do for the rest of the season. This group hadn't even earned my trust fully and now they're coming from a long way back. The FD that I did trust has a lot of work to do to regain my trust. The selection's, the comments by Misson saying Garlett would 'definitely' play... if we don't start to see improvement soon, PJ will need to make some big calls, just like in any other business.

If the players are anywhere near as gut wrenchingly furious as most supporters they'll be itching to get out there and relishing the chance to smash some North bodies from the first bounce. Let's see what they're made of and/or how much they care.

Talking about worst H&A losses is it coincidence that 3 I can think of were against the Bombers? Last week, 148 and (going back a bit) ANZAC Day 1992 when we lost after being 47 points up in the last quarter. Of course we've had some good wins against them too, 2012, 2013 and both H&A games in 1990.

13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If the players are anywhere near as gut wrenchingly furious as most supporters they'll be itching to get out there and relishing the chance to smash some North bodies from the first bounce. Let's see what they're made of and/or how much they care.

Talking about worst H&A losses is it coincidence that 3 I can think of were against the Bombers? Last week, 148 and (going back a bit) ANZAC Day 1992 when we lost after being 47 points up in the last quarter. Of course we've had some good wins against them too, 2012, 2013 and both H&A games in 1990.

I was 5 in 1992, so probably only just starting to attend matches. I'm glad I don't recall that loss. Urgh. 47 points up in the last quarter? This club. Seriously.

Edited April 8, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

1 minute ago, AdamFarr said:

I was 5 in 1992, so probably only just starting to attend matches. I'm glad I don't recall that loss. Urgh. 47 points up in the last quarter? This club. Seriously.

That's where the scarf waving started. You know, I wish we had appointed Sheedy. 

16 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

That's where the scarf waving started. You know, I wish we had appointed Sheedy. 

Wow. That was that game? I wonder how different things would have been. I'm still waiting for someone of Roos' stature to come in and really transform the culture at the club. He might have done a bit, but Saturday proved there's still a pitiful underbelly residing at our club.

Edited April 8, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

14 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

 

Seeing Essendon predictably smashed tonight and Toumpas gathering 28 disposals has only drawn out and amplified the disgracefulness of last Saturday's performance. It'd be comical if I was a supporter of any other club.

Agree. Just as I was somewhat beginning to move on, tonight's game brought back the sick sinking feeling of just how bad we were/are and how unacceptable that performance was last week. How much progress we unwound. 

This week's game can't come quick enough, expecting nothing less than some positivity and redemption.