Howe is the best high mark in history, but he's an ordinary footballer and rarely impacts games.

So do you value Howe the same as Freeman?

So do you value Howe the same as Freeman?

You'd have to be within the AFL fraternity to really know.

Freeman's ceiling is a mile higher than Howe's. It's whether you punt on an unknown AFL quantity over a C-grader's 100 game output.

If I was confident in Freeman's injury I'd take his upside.

You'd have to be within the AFL fraternity to really know.

Freeman's ceiling is a mile higher than Howe's. It's whether you punt on an unknown AFL quantity over a C-grader's 100 game output.

If I was confident in Freeman's injury I'd take his upside.

Freeman is a Saints supporter isn't he?

Freeman is a Saints supporter isn't he?

Dunno don't care.

Dunno don't care.

He might.

Freeman won't be coming to us, which maybe fortunate given that there are question marks over his 'competitor' value.

So we loose Howe & Toump and pick up Melksham & Kennedy.

Aren't we meant to be improving our list???

I hate to say it, but that is already an improvement without any additional picks we will receive.

Freeman won't be coming to us, which maybe fortunate given that there are question marks over his 'competitor' value.

Says who? I've only ever seen him in person or written about as a hard competitor.

Freeman won't be coming to us, which maybe fortunate given that there are question marks over his 'competitor' value.

IF that is so our recruiters will not be even slightly interested in him.

This is being reported in the Age: "With St Kilda and Essendon in a similar impasse over Carlisle as the Power and Suns are over Dixon, the proposal was designed to break the deadlock in both negotiations. Under the deal raised at the weekend, Port would trade pick 10 and a future pick (probably a first-round pick) to St Kilda for pick 5. The Saints would give pick 10 to Essendon for Carlisle and Port would offer five to the Suns for Dixon. An exchange of other later draft picks may also be involved...The proposal could potentially break the stalemate in both the Dixon and Carlisle deals, but the obvious stumbling block is that either or both of Essendon or Gold Coast reject the proposition.

It looks like we will be waiting a while to see the Toumpas and Howe trades happen.

I just hope that after the Dixon/Carlisle/Treloar deals are done there is enough trading time left for us to get into the action to better our draft position.

It will be awful if when the buzzer goes and the music stops on Thursday and we miss out on something we really want.

Says who? I've only ever seen him in person or written about as a hard competitor.

Not in the last two years, you have to get on the park to compete. There is a dispute between young Freeman and his injury management at Collingwood. The Saints are obviously satisfied his hammy will be OK, so we'll see.

Freeman has attitude problems aswell. While he was ment to rehabing his hammy he was out in the wee hours of the morning on the sauce.

Instead of blaming the club for his mismanagement of his injury Freeman needs to take a good hard look at himself and pull his finger out.

You could never see a Christian Salem pulling this [censored].

Freeman has attitude problems aswell. While he was ment to rehabing his hammy he was out in the wee hours of the morning on the sauce.

Instead of blaming the club for his mismanagement of his injury Freeman needs to take a good hard look at himself and pull his finger out.

You could never see a Christian Salem pulling this [censored].

Lol here comes every man and his dog that apparently has the inside scoop and knows more about the behind the scenes than the player himself and his management...

Freeman has attitude problems aswell. While he was ment to rehabing his hammy he was out in the wee hours of the morning on the sauce.

Instead of blaming the club for his mismanagement of his injury Freeman needs to take a good hard look at himself and pull his finger out.

You could never see a Christian Salem pulling this [censored].

Funny you should say this, my mate who used to work at Sandringham dragons within the medical staff reckons that Freeman was out and about constantly getting absolutely throttled on the p i s s.

Funny you should say this, my mate who used to work at Sandringham dragons within the medical staff reckons that Freeman was out and about constantly getting absolutely throttled on the p i s s.

Same mate who told you Seedsman was going to North? Or that the Buddy situation is a cover up? Maybe the guy who told you Stef Martin just doesn't like playing for Brisbane?

Every man and his dog I tells ya...

Lol here comes every man and his dog that apparently has the inside scoop and knows more about the behind the scenes than the player himself and his management...

Are you serious? Before you try and shoot me down i grew up and went to school with a current collingwood player who i have mentioned a couple of times on here who was up here before he jetted off to Bali for pendles wedding and we all caught up for a beer and we talked about several issues and Freemans name came up and funny enough he is actually quite close to him. He mentioned that Freeman had been told several times this year to pull his head in as his professionalism had not been up to scratch. While they were disappointed he asked for a trade the club was more then happy to shut the door for him on the way out.

He needs to pull his head in, easy to blame others when you're just at fault.

Bet your mates pleased you've splashed it all over the internet.

Bet your mates pleased you've splashed it all over the internet.

Yeah like he would care.

Fmd

Bet your mates pleased you've splashed it all over the internet.

"mate"...

Are you serious? Before you try and shoot me down i grew up and went to school with a current collingwood player who i have mentioned a couple of times on here who was up here before he jetted off to Bali for pendles wedding and we all caught up for a beer and we talked about several issues and Freemans name came up and funny enough he is actually quite close to him. He mentioned that Freeman had been told several times this year to pull his head in as his professionalism had not been up to scratch. While they were disappointed he asked for a trade the club was more then happy to shut the door for him on the way out.

He needs to pull his head in.. easy to blame other when your just at fault.

That's funny, that's not what the club has said...

So either I believe an anonymous internet poster giving vague indications about some kind of "mate" he has who apparently will spill his clubs inner secrets at the drop of a schooner

OR

I believe all the things Collingwood have said about wanting to keep him, Freeman's manager & Freeman himself

Yeah I know which I'll choose. Every year is the same here, apparently everyone has an inside source that knows everything behind the scenes.

"mate"...

Is that the same 'mate' who told him Ablett was being traded from Gold Coast to us... He's had some funny ones that's for sure.

Is that the same 'mate' who told him Ablett was being traded from Gold Coast to us... He's had some funny ones that's for sure.

Wrong guy. That was Hogans Heroes.

Is that the same 'mate' who told him Ablett was being traded from Gold Coast to us... He's had some funny ones that's for sure.

Wrong guy. That was Hogans Heroes.

Everyone apparently has a "mate" inside the AFL this time of year...

Is that the same 'mate' who told him Ablett was being traded from Gold Coast to us... He's had some funny ones that's for sure.

Wasn't that hogans_heroes?

Everyone apparently has a "mate" inside the AFL this time of year...

I don't. Wish I did though, might make this a little less boring.