13 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

well obviously the point we'll never agree on is that cheating is not cool, even if it's by one of your own players (who has never gone into battle for the red and blue BTW)

you and stuie are apparently cool with it, each to his own

And once again you do exactly the thing you accuse others of and put a totally different in the mouths of other posters.

Hypocrite.

 

 

26 minutes ago, jackaub said:

And exactly what did they plan? I must have missed something.

4 year contract. Michie re-rookied. Bugg brought in. More mature bodies brought in.

You honestly don't think they would have considered this possibility? What exactly do you think these guys do all day?

 

30 minutes ago, stuie said:

4 year contract. Michie re-rookied. Bugg brought in. More mature bodies brought in.

You honestly don't think they would have considered this possibility? What exactly do you think these guys do all day?

 

I hope  lot more than their compatriots at the EFC were doing in 2012

Edited January 13, 20169 yr by old dee

29 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Just a couple of thoughts on matters raised in this thread.

The trade:

I have always assumed our club recognised that Melksham came with risks but knew that the risk for Essendon of keeping him was greater due to their need to offload some of the 34. If that was correct, I also assumed that we got Melksham at a cheaper price (in trading terms) than he would otherwise have cost. Perhaps we would have also had to offer a player as well as the pick we gave up, or there might have been an exchange of picks as well, if he was a risk-free trade. Whether we agree it was value for money or not is not my point. Only that the club thought it was and that the discount was worth it.

Payments during the suspension:

If players cannot be paid during their suspension, does that just mean they can't get cash added to their bank accounts by the club during their suspension? Could not the clubs have already pre-paid a substantial component and agreed to hold over the rest for a future season, thereby not depositing any cash but nevertheless fulfilling the remuneration commitments made? This would be consistent with McLachlan's statement that their payments would be part of the 2016 TPP calculations, even if they are not physically being paid during the period of suspension.

 

 

A lot, including EFC supporters would say we paid overs for him giving up a 2nd round pick.

8 minutes ago, rjay said:

A lot, including EFC supporters would say we paid overs for him giving up a 2nd round pick.

Wow rjay when were  EFC supporters any judge they thought Hird was their saviour.

Of course we got Melksham for the "long haul", but only Stu would think that the club and AFL industry as a while wasn't very surprised by this outcome. 

The club rolled the dice and got burnt.

interesting that it is suggested that we should not take him because he is a drug cheat, where as the mighty Melbourne football club was just a tanking cheat. Football is game is full of cheating, people staging for frees, people suggesting the touched balls that they didn't. that their fist did not actually make high intentional contact with another players face...   When people or teams get caught they serve the time, when they get away with it as other tankers and probably drug cheats have then they just keep quiet. 

This trade is a complete [censored] up. 

For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at

please don't answer this Stuie. It's too hot

for the record. 

From day 1 i have ALWAYS maintained that the EFC and players were guilty and would get done...outside of the AFL cocoon

4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Of course we got Melksham for the "long haul", but only Stu would think that the club and AFL industry as a while wasn't very surprised by this outcome. 

The club rolled the dice and got burnt.

Yes, because that's exactly what I said "the AFL industry as a whole wasn't surprised...." FMD

It's funny seeing these types of posts repeatedly from the same posters who constantly accuse others of misquoting their posts, changing their points or putting words in their mouths.

 

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Yeah, no worries.  No one in life deserves to be given a second chance, eh?  The bloke was told by the club what he was taking was fine - maybe he should have taken a closer look, asked more questions, done a little research etc. but to lay the blame solely at their feet is wrong.

I look forward to see Jake come back in November and become an integral part of our team when all of this is well and truly behind him. 

The defence of "I did it because I was ordered to do it" went out with the Nuremberg trials following the Second World War. There is such a thing as personal responsibility.

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This trade is a complete [censored] up. 

For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at

please don't answer this Stuie. It's too hot

for the record. 

From day 1 i have ALWAYS maintained that the EFC and players were guilty and would get done...outside of the AFL cocoon

So drafting Hogan was a complete [censored] up? Petracca too? Gawn, Trengove and Frost can go on that list as well then....

 

3 hours ago, stuie said:

So drafting Hogan was a complete [censored] up? Petracca too? Gawn, Trengove and Frost can go on that list as well then....

 

[censored]

I don't share Curry's view that he shouldn't be anywhere the MFC, because I'm more interested in the best possible playing list and a flag.   I'm not that pious.

However, I have very little sympathy for the players, because they knew the were pushing the boundaries and as a collective they deliberately lied to ASADA.  

9 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yes, because that's exactly what I said "the AFL industry as a whole wasn't surprised...." FMD

It's funny seeing these types of posts repeatedly from the same posters who constantly accuse others of misquoting their posts, changing their points or putting words in their mouths.

 

fmd. do us all a favour and read prodee's post again. is english a second language for you?

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

[censored]

"For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at"

Hogan - missed his first year

Petracca - missed his first year

Trengove - hasn't played since 2014

Frost - missed nearly all of his first year with us

Gawn - barely on the park his first few years

It's your own "logic" mate, if you think it's "censored" then you're giving a clear indication of how much sense you're actually making.

 

3 hours ago, stuie said:

"For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at"

Hogan - missed his first year

Petracca - missed his first year

Trengove - hasn't played since 2014

Frost - missed nearly all of his first year with us

Gawn - barely on the park his first few years

It's your own "logic" mate, if you think it's "censored" then you're giving a clear indication of how much sense you're actually making.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

3 hours ago, stuie said:

"For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at"

Hogan - missed his first year

Petracca - missed his first year

Trengove - hasn't played since 2014

Frost - missed nearly all of his first year with us

Gawn - barely on the park his first few years

It's your own "logic" mate, if you think it's "censored" then you're giving a clear indication of how much sense you're actually making.

 

Melksham is a drug cheat. None of the others have been found guilty of that. Employing a drug cheat is bad for the culture and morale of the club and the other players.

3 hours ago, stuie said:

"For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at"

Hogan - missed his first year

Petracca - missed his first year

Trengove - hasn't played since 2014

Frost - missed nearly all of his first year with us

Gawn - barely on the park his first few years

It's your own "logic" mate, if you think it's "censored" then you're giving a clear indication of how much sense you're actually making.

 

My logic concerns a convicted drug cheat not being allowed near the club for a year, who i have always thought was guilty

now go away Stuie..

Gill, made a statement on AFL 360. That when he read the transcripts of the CAS hearing pre Xmas. It looked pretty ominous that there was going to be some penalties handed out. We were thinking it may be about 10%- 20%. Not the whack they finally gave them.

I wonder whether MFC got a copy of the transcripts. If so they must have known at the same time, that Melksham was going down.

Now that he isn't allowed to associate himself with any sporting club on a professional basis. How does he maintain his body in football shape.

Perhaps because he is not associated with a club. He could take Thymosin Beta 4 or Hexaralin LOL.

3 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Gill, made a statement on AFL 360. That when he read the transcripts of the CAS hearing pre Xmas. It looked pretty ominous that there was going to be some penalties handed out. We were thinking it may be about 10%- 20%. Not the whack they finally gave them.

I wonder whether MFC got a copy of the transcripts. If so they must have known at the same time, that Melksham was going down.

Now that he isn't allowed to associate himself with any sporting club on a professional basis. How does he maintain his body in football shape.

Perhaps because he is not associated with a club. He could take Thymosin Beta 4 or Hexaralin LOL.

He could go for runs, swims, cycle and go to the gym like the rest of us. Oh and do a regular job. He won't have an income from footy.

4 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

Gill, made a statement on AFL 360. That when he read the transcripts of the CAS hearing pre Xmas. It looked pretty ominous that there was going to be some penalties handed out. We were thinking it may be about 10%- 20%. Not the whack they finally gave them.

I wonder whether MFC got a copy of the transcripts. If so they must have known at the same time, that Melksham was going down.

Now that he isn't allowed to associate himself with any sporting club on a professional basis. How does he maintain his body in football shape.

Perhaps because he is not associated with a club. He could take Thymosin Beta 4 or Hexaralin LOL.

That sounds like something straight out of Chris Connolly's joke book. 

I'm not overly concerned about his fitness/maintaining his football shape. He'll be given a program to follow and can still see personal trainers, physios, etc. It'll just be like he has a season ending injury.

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My logic concerns a convicted drug cheat not being allowed near the club for a year, who i have always thought was guilty

now go away Stuie..

 

31 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This trade is a complete [censored] up. 

For a full year this bloke is not allowed near the premises. How else can it be looked at

please don't answer this Stuie. It's too hot

for the record. 

From day 1 i have ALWAYS maintained that the EFC and players were guilty and would get done...outside of the AFL cocoon

Wrong. Your logic was obviously about the fact we traded for someone who can't play for a year. Don't try and retrospectively go back and say "oh what I was saying was this" because that's not the case at all.

 

27 minutes ago, stuie said:

So drafting Hogan was a complete [censored] up? Petracca too? Gawn, Trengove and Frost can go on that list as well then....

 

you already said that exact thing to me and then ignored my obvious reponse

1 hour ago, stuie said:

And once again you do exactly the thing you accuse others of and put a totally different in the mouths of other posters.

Hypocrite.

 

 

i'm saying i want him gone because he's a cheat

you're saying you want him to say

how much room is there for misinterpretation

again you need to make up your mind about your own opinion

 

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Wrong. Your logic was obviously about the fact we traded for someone who can't play for a year. Don't try and retrospectively go back and say "oh what I was saying was this" because that's not the case at all.

 

Don't tell me i am wrong

my point is straight forward

this trade is a complete crock

you Stuie are a complete fool. 

Edited January 13, 20169 yr by Sir Why You Little