To go:

Bail - honest trier with no skill and little football smarts.

Michie - had his best game in a long time on the weekend, but too little too late. Not good enough.

McKenzie - as with Bail, tries his heart out but far too limited. VFL dominance does not translate to AFL form for him.

Spencer - has had long enough imo. Will only work as a number one ruck (if ever), and that is now Gawn. Need the spot for another ruck prospect.

Hunt - hasn't cracked a senior game since being drafted in 2013. Wouldn't think he'd get an extension.

Jones - has had long enough to show that he isn't up to it. Can't doubt his endeavour though.

Terlich - Roos clearly doesn't like him, though I did once upon a time. Good VFL player.

Jamar - cooked and clearly no longer in favour. Will get a spot at another club I think.

Very close, but worth holding onto:

Toumpas - I still think Jimmy can do it, and I hope Roos and co can still turn him around. Too much skill to throw away yet.

Lumumba - Needs a year to adjust to the different team mates and style of play, I think. We'll see a better player next year.

Dawes - Fierce competitor but not up to it aerially. I hope we are searching for an upgrade, but I do like him as a person.

Newton - Provides depth and has shown promise. Needs to string together some senior games though.

Kennedy-Harris - has some wicked attributes but needs to work harder, as well as stay fit. Hoping to see this next year.

Petracca - dodgy knee, looks overweight, too arrogant. I'd be close to having him delisted but think they will persevere with him.

Now 'Django', you are taking the p....here surely.

What scares me most is how many players who we would like to go are contracted to for next year.

Now 'Django', you are taking the p....here surely.

I think he was seeing if anyone actually reads his post, because other than that is is just purely looking for a reaction.

I wonder what part emotion plays? Not ours, but that of the footy department. I suspect if I was involved in getting Michie, Newton and any other player to the club, I'd be keen to keep them on the list because (a) I thought they were worth getting in the first place and (b) letting them go would be a form of admitting that I'd made a mistake as they were not good selections in the first place.

So, if was on the list prior to Roos coming to the club and not getting a regular game, I'd be very nervous about my future right now. On the other hand, if I came to the club in the last two years, I'd be a little less concerned.

To go:

Bail - honest trier with no skill and little football smarts.

Michie - had his best game in a long time on the weekend, but too little too late. Not good enough.

McKenzie - as with Bail, tries his heart out but far too limited. VFL dominance does not translate to AFL form for him.

Spencer - has had long enough imo. Will only work as a number one ruck (if ever), and that is now Gawn. Need the spot for another ruck prospect.

Hunt - hasn't cracked a senior game since being drafted in 2013. Wouldn't think he'd get an extension.

Jones - has had long enough to show that he isn't up to it. Can't doubt his endeavour though.

Terlich - Roos clearly doesn't like him, though I did once upon a time. Good VFL player.

Jamar - cooked and clearly no longer in favour. Will get a spot at another club I think.

Very close, but worth holding onto:

Toumpas - I still think Jimmy can do it, and I hope Roos and co can still turn him around. Too much skill to throw away yet.

Lumumba - Needs a year to adjust to the different team mates and style of play, I think. We'll see a better player next year.

Dawes - Fierce competitor but not up to it aerially. I hope we are searching for an upgrade, but I do like him as a person.

Newton - Provides depth and has shown promise. Needs to string together some senior games though.

Kennedy-Harris - has some wicked attributes but needs to work harder, as well as stay fit. Hoping to see this next year.

Petracca - dodgy knee, looks overweight, too arrogant. I'd be close to having him delisted but think they will persevere with him.

You are either having a laugh with that Petracca one or you seriously have NFI about football. The same with JKH.

would it be an easier exercise to list those who are worth keeping?

would it be an easier exercise to list those who are worth keeping?

yes

I wonder what part emotion plays? Not ours, but that of the footy department. I suspect if I was involved in getting Michie, Newton and any other player to the club, I'd be keen to keep them on the list because (a) I thought they were worth getting in the first place and (b) letting them go would be a form of admitting that I'd made a mistake as they were not good selections in the first place.

So, if was on the list prior to Roos coming to the club and not getting a regular game, I'd be very nervous about my future right now. On the other hand, if I came to the club in the last two years, I'd be a little less concerned.

If that plays a part, there definitely needs to be an investigation into the football department.

We all make mistakes, admit them, move on.

Duds.

Bail, Mckenzie, Fitzpatrick, Terlich, M Jones.

We won't miss any of these 5.. They barely played 20 between them this year..

All been on this list long enough to establish themselves.. Clearly not good enough..

Riley, Toumpus & Michie not far off the 5 above..

As limited as Grimes is.. At least he can read the play..

Edited August 18, 201510 yr by Coup Cooper

It is easier to have who we keep rather than who goes. Based on this years performance, guys that are AFL standard in best 22

Backs: Jetta MacDonald Salam

Mids: N Jones, Vince, Viney, Brayshaw, Watts, Vanderburg, Tyson(this year has been disappointing)

Forwards: Hogan, Kent, Garlett(although would like to see more from and square rather than cheap goals out the back)

Rucks Gawn

Young and Developing

Petracca, King, ANB, Stretch, Harmes, JKH, Hunt, O Macdonald, Frost, Toumpas, White

Injured

Trengove

Need to Keep for mature heads

Dawes, H, Dunn, Garland, Grimes, Pederson

Borderline

Newton, Michie, Riley, Spencer

I think the rest are gone

I don't think it's entirely the fault of individuals.

As with Hawthorn when they lose a couple of players and a player comes in to the team as depth, they are told in no uncertain terms what to do, where to run, who to cover etc. They have a winning culture. When they are tested they dig in and fight back. There have been at least two examples of their resolve this year.

The biggest disapointment on the weekend was the last quarter. This was when our losing culture shone brightly for all to see.

We are showing signs of improvement in 3 of the last 8 quarters we have played, but our mistakes and lack of desire to hold on in the last quarter was shocking. This goes to the responsibility of the leaders and not the lesser players. Old habits aren't necessarily the fault of the individuals that people seem willing to highlight week in week out.

In fact I would think that swap a Matt Jones into the Hawks line-up for a day and there would be no difference to their result.

I saw two instances of this. One when Dunn was kicking out and the other when Watts turned it over in the last. Jones and McDonald in both instances were walking with their back to the play and crowding space. I've never seen the Hawks or any good team do that. If you're in range of the kicker you either make a lead or shepherd or get the $$$3## out of the way so someone can lead into the space you're clogging up. Jones was actually by himself but was tired and didn't even want the pill.

Thats our leaders. Thats our culture.

I'm not saying trade out Jones or Mc

You are either having a laugh with that Petracca one or you seriously have NFI about football. The same with JKH.

Yes I was having a laugh, and just seeing if anyone would read it.

JKH though, does have to lift IMO.

Edited August 18, 201510 yr by Django

Yes I was having a laugh, and just seeing if anyone would read it.

JKH though, does have to lift IMO.

Ah yes, the famous "just joking" defence. Not sure if everyone on the Demonland jury will believe you, though.

Ah yes, the famous "just joking" defence. Not sure if everyone on the Demonland jury will believe you, though.

Lol. I don't think even the most deluded of Demonland posters, or the likes of Olisik and h_h, could have that kind of opinion of Petracca.

Yes I was having a laugh, and just seeing if anyone would read it.

JKH though, does have to lift IMO.

Agree on JKH...I'm not sure he is going to make it. Just not enough tricks and misses too many easy shots on goal from limited opportunities. I guess time will tell.