26 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Jeff's best in the ruck was thwarted with the change in the centre bounce rule.  To my mind, his failure was that he didn't kick enough goals after that, in a capacity of what he should have become.  A true follower/forward.  113 goals in a 13 year career is not a great return.

He kicked a good one against the Dogs R21 2005, though!

Just now, Demon Disciple said:

He kicked a good one against the Dogs R21 2005, though!

A bewdy and against the Saints.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Peter Morre was an excellent Player but for mine just a tad under A+ Grade standard and same with Jeff White! 

nah, no way he is an a grader. picket you are a [censored] lunatic

• 2x Brownlow Medal: 1979, 1984
• All-Australian team: 1979
• 2x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1979-1980
• Collingwood leading goal kicker: 1977-1978
• Collingwood captain: 1981–1982
• Australian Football Hall of Fame

1 hour ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Jeff's best in the ruck was thwarted with the change in the centre bounce rule.  To my mind, his failure was that he didn't kick enough goals after that, in a capacity of what he should have become.  A true follower/forward.  113 goals in a 13 year career is not a great return.

Bit harsh, he was our main ruckman, not a follower forward and 113 goals is ok in that role.

Sandilands at 211 cms and and 16 cms taller than White and who plays a lot forward, 241 games and 92 goals.

Mumford 129 games and 44 goals.

Max Gawn at 208cms and who plays forward a fair bit, especially early on, has 52 games and 30 goals.

Goldstein 159 games and 80 goals.

Edited June 30, 20169 yr by Redleg

17 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

nah, no way he is an a grader. picket you are a [censored] lunatic

• 2x Brownlow Medal: 1979, 1984
• All-Australian team: 1979
• 2x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1979-1980
• Collingwood leading goal kicker: 1977-1978
• Collingwood captain: 1981–1982
• Australian Football Hall of Fame

Moore was a disappointment at Melbourne.

Not A-grade for mine.

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

Moore was a disappointment at Melbourne.

Not A-grade for mine.

winning a brownlow at melbourne not good enough for you?

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

winning a brownlow at melbourne not good enough for you?

I knew that would be the immediate response.

And no, he was an ordinary player at Melbourne.

24 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Bit harsh, he was our main ruckman, not a follower forward and 113 goals is ok in that role.

Sandilands at 211 cms and and 16 cms taller than White and who plays a lot forward, 241 games and 92 goals.

Mumford 129 games and 44 goals.

Max Gawn at 208cms and who plays forward a fair bit, especially early on, has 52 games and 30 goals.

Goldstein 159 games and 80 goals.

Again, the main point is missed. I said, his influence in the ruck was diminished when they changed the centre bounce rule, together with chronic shin injuries.  No doubt he had heaps of talent, but I am just saying in the context of the debate as to whether he was an A+ grade player or not, he did not move on.  When the game changed on him - which clearly was beyond his control - my point was, it would have been good to see him evolve into a goal kicking forward/follower, similar to that of Peter Moore.  In anybody's language, 113 goals over 13 seasons would suggest otherwise I would have thought.  That said, I mostly loved the way he went about it. 

33 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Moore was a disappointment at Melbourne.

Not A-grade for mine.

Ah some commion sense!! He was not as effective at Melbourne as he was at Colingwood and still for mine not an A + Grade player! So daisy Cutter and Dazzle I can see how you are very easily impressed All Australian etc Brownlow etc and whilst these are fantastic he lacked the superstar status of Ablett, Judd, Plugger, Buddy, Danger et al! An excellent player at Melbourne but NOT A SUPERTSTAR!

21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ah some commion sense!! He was not as effective at Melbourne as he was at Colingwood and still for mine not an A + Grade player! So daisy Cutter and Dazzle I can see how you are very easily impressed All Australian etc Brownlow etc and whilst these are fantastic he lacked the superstar status of Ablett, Judd, Plugger, Buddy, Danger et al! An excellent player at Melbourne but NOT A SUPERTSTAR!

In a very ordinary footy team at the time.

55 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ah some commion sense!! He was not as effective at Melbourne as he was at Colingwood and still for mine not an A + Grade player! So daisy Cutter and Dazzle I can see how you are very easily impressed All Australian etc Brownlow etc and whilst these are fantastic he lacked the superstar status of Ablett, Judd, Plugger, Buddy, Danger et al! An excellent player at Melbourne but NOT A SUPERTSTAR!

i didn't realise a-grade meant you had to be the equal of an ablett, judd, plugger, buddy or danger. wouldn't be many a-graders going around then

1 hour ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Again, the main point is missed. I said, his influence in the ruck was diminished when they changed the centre bounce rule, together with chronic shin injuries.  No doubt he had heaps of talent, but I am just saying in the context of the debate as to whether he was an A+ grade player or not, he did not move on.  When the game changed on him - which clearly was beyond his control - my point was, it would have been good to see him evolve into a goal kicking forward/follower, similar to that of Peter Moore.  In anybody's language, 113 goals over 13 seasons would suggest otherwise I would have thought.  That said, I mostly loved the way he went about it. 

Who did you play for BTW?

20 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Who did you play for BTW?

VFA  - second division, as it was then, but that's all you get.

10 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

VFA  - second division, as it was then, but that's all you get.

What position?

 

OFF TOPIC!!!!!

59 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i didn't realise a-grade meant you had to be the equal of an ablett, judd, plugger, buddy or danger. wouldn't be many a-graders going around then

 Yep Ok Agree but if the standard I speak of is players of this Ilk Then NO we havent had many or got any in recent 20 Year history!

A + GRADE = Superstar elite! We haven't had one since Robert Flower! then before him Ron Barrassi! 

Brownlows and All Australian only paint part of the picture! Just ask Leigh Mathews !

Eg Robert Flower Did things that were totally Elite! Just look at his performances in State games where he was more often than not BOG

If Rob Flower had played at Essendon, Hawthorn, or Nth at the peak of his powers he would have perhaps have gone down as the greatest player in History Not just an A+ "Elite" champion that he was !

That is my Calibre of A+ Not Peter Moore, Not Jeff White !

Edited June 30, 20169 yr by picket fence

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

 Yep Ok Agree but if the standard I speak of is players of this Ilk Then NO we havent had many or got any in recent 20 Year history!

A + GRADE = Superstar elite! We haven't had one since Robert Flower! then before him Ron Barrassi! 

Brownlows and All Australian only paint part of the picture! Just ask Leigh Mathews !

Eg Robert Flower Did things that were totally Elite! Just look at his performances in State games where he was more often than not BOG

If Rob Flower had played at Essendon, Hawthorn, or Nth at the peak of his powers he would have perhaps have gone down as the greatest player in History Not just an A+ "Elite" champion that he was !

That is my Calibre of A+ Not Peter Moore, Not Jeff White !

and not afl hall of fame inductees necessarily, apparently?

Ok Daisy Cutter, you have made your piont If you think Jeff White and Peter Moore are A+ Graders then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it! I am entitled to mine! I am reminded of the following 

"Is there no truth in beauty"? 

"For the world Is Hollow, but I have touched the sky"

PF

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

nah, no way he is an a grader. picket you are a [censored] lunatic

• 2x Brownlow Medal: 1979, 1984
• All-Australian team: 1979
• 2x Collingwood Best & Fairest: 1979-1980
• Collingwood leading goal kicker: 1977-1978
• Collingwood captain: 1981–1982
• Australian Football Hall of Fame

Just grossly unfair that we couldn't snare Darcy under the father son rule.

I jump onto the thread to see if there is any news about one of the smallest players in the league and am reading about some of the tallest to play the game!

 

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ah some commion sense!! He was not as effective at Melbourne as he was at Colingwood and still for mine not an A + Grade player! So daisy Cutter and Dazzle I can see how you are very easily impressed All Australian etc Brownlow etc and whilst these are fantastic he lacked the superstar status of Ablett, Judd, Plugger, Buddy, Danger et al! An excellent player at Melbourne but NOT A SUPERTSTAR!

are you implying Prestia is that kind of 'superstar'?? he wouldn't even be the best player in a team sitting outside the 8! he's very good, no where near great though.. not sure why you started this avenue of discussion (i.e. the dees not having a chance to lure him from GC).. 

What does Peter Moore got to with this Dion Prestia thread? beats me . Are the Dees going to throw a bucket load of cash Prestia's way,we still have to give up draft picks. Surely we need to have money to pay for our young future stars. We do need a CHF,CHB and a decent back up ruckman.

53 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ok Daisy Cutter, you have made your piont If you think Jeff White and Peter Moore are A+ Graders then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it! I am entitled to mine! I am reminded of the following 

"Is there no truth in beauty"? 

"For the world Is Hollow, but I have touched the sky"

PF

when did i mention jeff white? seeing as you did though, jeff white was a-grade for roughly 60% of his career (IMO)

58 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ok Daisy Cutter, you have made your piont If you think Jeff White and Peter Moore are A+ Graders then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it! I am entitled to mine! I am reminded of the following 

"Is there no truth in beauty"? 

"For the world Is Hollow, but I have touched the sky"

PF

PF  Strangely ( though some might find not so ) I'm not one to automatically dispense your utterances to the bin. We all have things to share and inform. However to not consider  Jeff White and especially Peter Moore as A+ graders does your publishing no good errand.

They had to re WRITE the rules ffs to counter White he was do demonstrably at the sharp end.  Peter Moore one of the very rare transplants into Melbourne.   A gem of a player and even respected when filthy !!

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

are you implying Prestia is that kind of 'superstar'?? he wouldn't even be the best player in a team sitting outside the 8! he's very good, no where near great though.. not sure why you started this avenue of discussion (i.e. the dees not having a chance to lure him from GC).. 

No not saying Prestia is a superstar at all Hence as much as he would fit in well at Dees is not that Superstar player I have described!